It let them destroy the surveillance chips that are now installed in the factory on all new computer hardware components, that gives the Five Eyes direct access to any computer system made by any non-chinese manufacturer.
The newest chips are no-where near as obvious as the old ones mounted on the Guardian's computers, because those were older originals that were installed manually during a midnight infiltration of the Guardian's offices by GCHQ.
They were big and obviously additions to the motherboards, whereas the newest ones are actually standard component replacements - look-alikes that have additional capacity and function built in, so that visual inspection will no longer discover the ruse.
You must be referring to the Utterly Evil Organization of Serious Bad-Guys, Unrepentant Villains and Dirty Old Men With Sticky Zippers!
Yes they have definitely located the group's US HQ, in Mister Clapper's crapper, but sadly the group had already moved its Brainiac Orgonic Computer System before the Clapper Crap Cops could reach the plunger.
BTW, Resident O'Bummer will be doing a State of the Onion A Dress next week to explain to the general adversary, that it will be necessary to issue personal walking papers to all pre-investigated US citizens over the age of six, so that the Forces of Goodness and Apple Pie can finally track down and put an end to the nefarious deeds of this awful, vile and despicable nemesis of Freedom and the Amerikan Way of Lie. Zig Hile.
Well thank you A Skeptic, for replaying the NSA Brand-Name Theme advertisement, because well, we had all forgotten the "purviews" of the various tri-letter agencies after learning that the NSA steals everyone's communications and uses the gathered intel for things like "blackmail, counter-intelligence programs against citizens, theft of foreign corporate intellectual property and science innovations, and ruining the reputation of anyone who its sponsors in corporate American consider to be unfair competition or a danger to their bottom line."
Matters not one iota what an agency was "founded for", if it is not thereafter being used for that purpose and all its sister agencies - who also were "founded with special unique purposes" are all working together for the same undisclosed secret purposes noted above, or making use of the illegally stolen data gathered by the NSA, CIA or HSA to fulfill their original mandates.
Nor have they "gone too far afield" by the way. It is simply that you, like so many others, actually believed the Brand Name Ads the agencies produced about their apparently unique "purviews", rather than realize that that too was merely propaganda designed to fool the masses.
Even going back only a short distance in history brings us right up against Mr/Mrs Hoover and the then FBI, who used the same systems for exactly the same purposes as listed above.
Let me guess. You think that Snowden is a bad guy and so have refrained from actually reading the information he has exposed, because you're a patriot.
I cannot imagine how else you can have reached this date unaware of what has transpired.
One might think that this apparently huge level of incompetence in the area of intelligence gathering/analysis, and counter-terrorism that the NSA continuously displays, is because the NSA was designed for purposes other than intelligence gathering/analysis and counter-terrorism - that the NSA was in fact designed to fulfill other purposes such as blackmail, counter-intelligence programs against citizens, theft of foreign corporate intellectual property and science innovations, and ruining the reputation of anyone who its sponsors in corporate American consider to be unfair competition or a danger to their bottom line.
Of course that would take thinking beyond the propaganda and rhetoric spewed by the paid apologists and truth-free press.... so I guess the chances that one might think such are pretty slim....
Snowden Day has come and gone - that's a full year since you the People found out that your own government is spying and lying and trying to screw you up the backdoor.
That's a full year that they've been baffle-gabbing all you Bozos on this bus, so ya'all won't ask yerself "who the fuck is guarding the henhouse?".
I have to wonder just how many gigabytes of YOUR data the Five Eyes have managed to scoop up during those 360 plus days, while they were grandstanding in the Truth Free Press and making lame excuses for everything they've been caught doing so far, and claiming they are doing no wrong.
I wonder - since their technology will only get better as corporations realize they can join forces and win immunity by assisting the government in its endeavors - how many terabytes of your data the Five Eyes will vacuum up during the next 365 days.
Every person in north america now has a book with their name on it - probably running some 2-3000 pages and growing by the hour - that lists your friends, your enemies, your hobbies, your fears, your likes and perversions, your address, your school grades, your passwords, your favorite everything, your daily routines, your food choices, your party places, your hopes and aspirations... and every tiny infraction you thought you got away with over the last decade or two.
But hey, you know how it is. Just too busy trying to make ends meet to actually give any of this weird shit much thought ye know.... and besides it can't be all that important cuz they don't even mention it on TV...
ooooooooooooooo - extremely loud and awful music just started playing on my computer, and I don't have music stored on this computer.
Had to turn off my speakers!
How terribly silly!
Methinks I may have hit a nerve. I can only hope. ===
"If its systems are truly "too complex to comply" or "too big to comply..."
My money is riding on the most obvious probability...
The NSA is lying through its collective teeth about their computer systems, simply because they believe that no court would ever force them to expose that system to inspection by outside parties.
Since they fully believe that nobody can ever prove that they are lying without examining the systems firsthand and believe that nobody will ever be allowed to examine those systems, NSA believes it can get away with another 100% BS story, and the NSA administration is giggling like little girls over how they screwed the courts and their other public adversaries once again.
That's been their general attitude since Snowden Day and will remain their general attitude until the day before their dissolution as a federal agency.
Hmmmmm.... make a Freedom Of Information request and before the request can be initiated, the system MUST do a full background check on the requestor to insure that their motives are pure and/or that they are not an ex-convict.
Nope - no chilling effect there.
I wonder just how long its gonna be before they simply do away with this pesky FOIA thing.
After all, they've made it almost useless already, so why bother keeping it in effect at all, except, I suppose, as Democratic Window Dressing.
Agreed - it does not in and of itself constitute a loophole...
...unless of course, you're actively seeking a loophole.
Then the inclusion of "So help me God" becomes a 6 lane highway with green lights in both directions.
I would expect such a confirmed and unrepentant liar as Alexander, to always seek whatever means are available to fulfill his "duty", and "get the job done".
Fear is the greatest weapon in the arsenal of the Bully, the Mobster, the Dictator, and the Fascist - or Corporate Government.
Fear has a history all its own.
It is why most Americans are willing to give up their freedoms and rights in return for the promise of security and safety, and why they now have neither safety, nor freedom.
There is no reason to fear an honest democratic government.
There is obviously no honest democratic government in the USA today.
Actually there was a lot of protest against the actions immediately taken by the Fed without any consent from the public at large, but such protest was first proclaimed unpatriotic and then made illegal.
Your federal government had already decided exactly what it was going to do about the 9/11 attack, long before they actually initiated the false flag operation.
There was nothing the public could have done to stop the Fed.
There is still nothing the public can do to stop the Fed.
You cannot fix something till you admit its broke.
Re: You don't understand the motive behind the spying
Nah. All that was done by corporate minions in cahoots with your own criminal politicians like Cheney and Bush.
And all that was done so that the NSA could get these operations underway.
These operations are not about preventing terrorist attacks - stop bombing third world countries into the stone age and terrorist attacks will fade into memory.
These operations are for money and control and power, nothing more.
In fact, given how often Alexander refers to "the NEXT terrorist attack", I assume that there is another 9/11 type false flag terrorist operation in the works as we speak, that is designed specifically to "prove" Alexander's point.
Perhaps a small nuke in a place nobody important lives...
"The German government seems to be saying that spying is outrageous and must be investigated immediately if it's directed against the powerful; but if it's against the little people, then, well, sorry: we need more evidence before we could possibly risk upsetting the US. "
Seems to be saying.......
Hell, that's precisely what they are saying, and in truth, that's pretty much globally government policy. Peasants, taxpayers, human resources are not VIPs and deserve no special treatment unless and until they revolt, at which point policy dictates massive violent force be applied immediately.
Damn. Looks like I should read all the comments already posted before adding my 2 cents.
Nice to see that nobody here was fooled by the "too complicated" BS excuse the NSA gave the courts.
Sad to see that the courts are still willing to let the NSA get away with everything, as long as they have at least a reasonably acceptable lie handy.
Or maybe I'm giving the courts too much credit in thinking they are smart enough to see through the obvious BS excuse, and just want to please the administration... perhaps they actually believed the NSA. That would be even sadder.
Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 6th, 2014 @ 6:41pm
I suspect that the whole "but we simply cannot separate the data the court wants preserved from the rest of the data that needs to be regularly erased, because errrr..... complicated!!!" argument, is simply 100% NSA-BS.
How do they pull out data that they want to use for special projects, if they do not have a method of isolation and extraction already in place? Obviously if they need to preserve soon to be eradicated data in order to use it in an investigation, they have the means to prevent it from being erased and to pull it from whatever computer network archives it is stored in, easily and quickly. That would be an absolute necessity in the designing of such a system.
I'm beginning to think that the NSA cannot actually speak without shit falling out of its mouth. Its like they've been lying so long they no longer know how to do anything else.
"... at least the acknowledgement that the NSA really does have a minimization process to not hang onto information it's not supposed to have, and that it's not immediately easy to turn off the process of getting rid of that data."
Unless, of course, the NSA, well, you know, simply lied once again in order to prevent the legal system from interfering with their activities and in doing so, learning that their activities, were, well, you know, illegal and such... I mean, it would not exactly be the first time they lied about such things.
I must admit though, to turn the FISC orders around and use them as a defense, is bordering on genius and, well, to be honest, I really didn't think they had that sort of intelligence in their ranks.
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Re: Minor addendum
It let them destroy the surveillance chips that are now installed in the factory on all new computer hardware components, that gives the Five Eyes direct access to any computer system made by any non-chinese manufacturer.
The newest chips are no-where near as obvious as the old ones mounted on the Guardian's computers, because those were older originals that were installed manually during a midnight infiltration of the Guardian's offices by GCHQ.
They were big and obviously additions to the motherboards, whereas the newest ones are actually standard component replacements - look-alikes that have additional capacity and function built in, so that visual inspection will no longer discover the ruse.
Ah progress!
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Re: Re: Re: Nothing up my sleeve.....
Yes they have definitely located the group's US HQ, in Mister Clapper's crapper, but sadly the group had already moved its Brainiac Orgonic Computer System before the Clapper Crap Cops could reach the plunger.
BTW, Resident O'Bummer will be doing a State of the Onion A Dress next week to explain to the general adversary, that it will be necessary to issue personal walking papers to all pre-investigated US citizens over the age of six, so that the Forces of Goodness and Apple Pie can finally track down and put an end to the nefarious deeds of this awful, vile and despicable nemesis of Freedom and the Amerikan Way of Lie. Zig Hile.
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Re: Re: Nothing up my sleeve.....
Matters not one iota what an agency was "founded for", if it is not thereafter being used for that purpose and all its sister agencies - who also were "founded with special unique purposes" are all working together for the same undisclosed secret purposes noted above, or making use of the illegally stolen data gathered by the NSA, CIA or HSA to fulfill their original mandates.
Nor have they "gone too far afield" by the way. It is simply that you, like so many others, actually believed the Brand Name Ads the agencies produced about their apparently unique "purviews", rather than realize that that too was merely propaganda designed to fool the masses.
Even going back only a short distance in history brings us right up against Mr/Mrs Hoover and the then FBI, who used the same systems for exactly the same purposes as listed above.
Let me guess. You think that Snowden is a bad guy and so have refrained from actually reading the information he has exposed, because you're a patriot.
I cannot imagine how else you can have reached this date unaware of what has transpired.
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Nothing up my sleeve.....
Of course that would take thinking beyond the propaganda and rhetoric spewed by the paid apologists and truth-free press.... so I guess the chances that one might think such are pretty slim....
C'est la vie eh.
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Snowden Day
That's a full year that they've been baffle-gabbing all you Bozos on this bus, so ya'all won't ask yerself "who the fuck is guarding the henhouse?".
I have to wonder just how many gigabytes of YOUR data the Five Eyes have managed to scoop up during those 360 plus days, while they were grandstanding in the Truth Free Press and making lame excuses for everything they've been caught doing so far, and claiming they are doing no wrong.
I wonder - since their technology will only get better as corporations realize they can join forces and win immunity by assisting the government in its endeavors - how many terabytes of your data the Five Eyes will vacuum up during the next 365 days.
Every person in north america now has a book with their name on it - probably running some 2-3000 pages and growing by the hour - that lists your friends, your enemies, your hobbies, your fears, your likes and perversions, your address, your school grades, your passwords, your favorite everything, your daily routines, your food choices, your party places, your hopes and aspirations... and every tiny infraction you thought you got away with over the last decade or two.
But hey, you know how it is. Just too busy trying to make ends meet to actually give any of this weird shit much thought ye know.... and besides it can't be all that important cuz they don't even mention it on TV...
ooooooooooooooo - extremely loud and awful music just started playing on my computer, and I don't have music stored on this computer.
Had to turn off my speakers!
How terribly silly!
Methinks I may have hit a nerve.
I can only hope.
===
On the post: If The NSA's System Is Too Big To Comply With Court Orders, Court Should Require It To Change Its System
More BS from NSA... BSA
My money is riding on the most obvious probability...
The NSA is lying through its collective teeth about their computer systems, simply because they believe that no court would ever force them to expose that system to inspection by outside parties.
Since they fully believe that nobody can ever prove that they are lying without examining the systems firsthand and believe that nobody will ever be allowed to examine those systems, NSA believes it can get away with another 100% BS story, and the NSA administration is giggling like little girls over how they screwed the courts and their other public adversaries once again.
That's been their general attitude since Snowden Day and will remain their general attitude until the day before their dissolution as a federal agency.
A day that cannot come too soon.
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Freedom 2B Investigated
Nope - no chilling effect there.
I wonder just how long its gonna be before they simply do away with this pesky FOIA thing.
After all, they've made it almost useless already, so why bother keeping it in effect at all, except, I suppose, as Democratic Window Dressing.
====
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Re: Re: Re: He's failed to keep his oath
...unless of course, you're actively seeking a loophole.
Then the inclusion of "So help me God" becomes a 6 lane highway with green lights in both directions.
I would expect such a confirmed and unrepentant liar as Alexander, to always seek whatever means are available to fulfill his "duty", and "get the job done".
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Re: Re:
They were ordered to not record and also ordered to not tell anyone that they were ordered to not record.
This appears to be standard procedure by the Fed today - use the law against the public. The public truly is the "adversary" of the Fed.
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Re: Re:
Fear is the greatest weapon in the arsenal of the Bully, the Mobster, the Dictator, and the Fascist - or Corporate Government.
Fear has a history all its own.
It is why most Americans are willing to give up their freedoms and rights in return for the promise of security and safety, and why they now have neither safety, nor freedom.
There is no reason to fear an honest democratic government.
There is obviously no honest democratic government in the USA today.
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Re:
Typo
Not Open society. That died with Nixon.
Its an Ownership Society. Installed fully by the Bush dynasty.
In case you're not aware of the meaning of an Ownership Society, it simply means the Golden Rule.
Those who own the Gold, make, but need not obey, the Rules.
Only those who own no gold, must obey the rules.
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Re: In all fairness
Your federal government had already decided exactly what it was going to do about the 9/11 attack, long before they actually initiated the false flag operation.
There was nothing the public could have done to stop the Fed.
There is still nothing the public can do to stop the Fed.
You cannot fix something till you admit its broke.
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Re: He's failed to keep his oath
"... So help me God"
If he's a typical soldier, his god is Odin, if he has any "god" at all.
If not, then the oath is not binding.
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Re: You don't understand the motive behind the spying
And all that was done so that the NSA could get these operations underway.
These operations are not about preventing terrorist attacks - stop bombing third world countries into the stone age and terrorist attacks will fade into memory.
These operations are for money and control and power, nothing more.
In fact, given how often Alexander refers to "the NEXT terrorist attack", I assume that there is another 9/11 type false flag terrorist operation in the works as we speak, that is designed specifically to "prove" Alexander's point.
Perhaps a small nuke in a place nobody important lives...
On the post: Courtroom Staff, Freaked Out By FBI Agents, Failed To Record Important Terrorism Court Hearing
It should also be pointed out that this is a great example of how well inducing fear can work in favor of the bad guys - in this case the FBI.
Sadly, I can no longer see these tri-letter agencies as anything but The Bad Guys. Good guys simply don't operate this way.
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Global fascism
Seems to be saying.......
Hell, that's precisely what they are saying, and in truth, that's pretty much globally government policy. Peasants, taxpayers, human resources are not VIPs and deserve no special treatment unless and until they revolt, at which point policy dictates massive violent force be applied immediately.
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Surprising Solidarity
Nice to see that nobody here was fooled by the "too complicated" BS excuse the NSA gave the courts.
Sad to see that the courts are still willing to let the NSA get away with everything, as long as they have at least a reasonably acceptable lie handy.
Or maybe I'm giving the courts too much credit in thinking they are smart enough to see through the obvious BS excuse, and just want to please the administration... perhaps they actually believed the NSA. That would be even sadder.
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Re: Response to: Anonymous Coward on Jun 6th, 2014 @ 6:41pm
How do they pull out data that they want to use for special projects, if they do not have a method of isolation and extraction already in place? Obviously if they need to preserve soon to be eradicated data in order to use it in an investigation, they have the means to prevent it from being erased and to pull it from whatever computer network archives it is stored in, easily and quickly. That would be an absolute necessity in the designing of such a system.
I'm beginning to think that the NSA cannot actually speak without shit falling out of its mouth. Its like they've been lying so long they no longer know how to do anything else.
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That was slick!
Unless, of course, the NSA, well, you know, simply lied once again in order to prevent the legal system from interfering with their activities and in doing so, learning that their activities, were, well, you know, illegal and such... I mean, it would not exactly be the first time they lied about such things.
I must admit though, to turn the FISC orders around and use them as a defense, is bordering on genius and, well, to be honest, I really didn't think they had that sort of intelligence in their ranks.
Live and learn eh.
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At least people have finally stopped calling it the Free Press.
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