"there are only two that I can remember being outright against copyright"
So your previous comment:
"wont it be funny if the release document turns out to be nothing like the scare docs that have been distributed by anti-copyright sites?"
"distributed by anti-copyright sites"
Implying there are many. If so shill, please point them out. You cant. You will try, grasping at straws, you will fail miserably.
I have been dealing with pieces of shit (sorry mike i dont usually curse) like yourself for many years on YT. You try to LUMP A GROUP TOGETHER BY IMPLYING THEY ARE OF THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, CONNECTING THEM, IN MY CASE WITH THE WORD "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" (no plane-ers come to mind) WHEN MOST HAVE VERY VALID REASONS, NOT CONNECTED WITH ANY CONSPIRACY, BUT WITH IRREFUTABLE FACTS.
But please dont go away. We need the underbelly of the entertainment world to keep on posting their absurd logic for the world to see, and the rational, critical thinkers, will call your bluff every time.
unlike alcohol prohibition in the 20's, most people are not aware, because it does not affect their lives directly. Not being able to have a beer after dinner is more of a direct impact. Getting kicked off the internet for accused file sharing will not happen to the majority, they will not care.
What would be a fun experiment, if someone would have the funds to follow through, would be to send really bogus, extortion letters to a vast majority of people in an area, or maybe just a handful of politicians/Judges per a given area demanding payment for alleged file sharing. Better yet, use the threat of being kicked off the internet, along with leaked/official documents of ACTA itself.
Print the ACTA document and leave it around public areas. Public transport, parks, etc.
Wont it be scary when its just like the leaked docs?
anti-copyright sites?
Never heard about these. Where are they? Most i hear about is FAIR copyright, and FAIR use for the consumer.
I know FAIR is a difficult concept to understand. Coming from an industry that based itself on ripping off artists. Stealing what others have created for pennies, and although they may agree to your slave terms, it is still taking advantage of someone.
Case in point, WNOC, a local Philly band, was really great, at a time when the whole rap/rock thin was coming about. Live shows were a blast. Anyway, when it came time to get signed, they would not give up publishing rights. Good for them, but unfortunately it was the reason they did not get signed. So you ether sell the rights to EVERYTHING, or they take the ball and go home. Yeah, but its all in the interest of the "Artist" right?
"Then the value of the painting would go down."
You miss the point too. The price for said object is reduced, but its value, may still stay the same. There are ppl that may have been willing to spend more, because its value TO THEM, is still high, until they realize it can be obtained for a lot less. Then their perceived value changes due to an abundance of said object. Be it from duplications, from the creator, or the flooding of copies from a third party. All of which will decrease it VALUE, and PRICE.
Price != Value
NOT TRUE!
Some of the cheapest things in life, I value most. (My daughters first stuffed toy, a snowman that says my first Christmas. The cost was 2 bucks, but the value, FOR ME, cannot be measured.
"So, the obvious question is: "Why do we need the labels anymore?" The answer is: "In their current form, we don't.""
In THIS example, I agree, we dont. But in the general hypothetical, not applying to any one industry or product, the line is not so clear.
"But being able to cheaply and easily replicate something makes it easy to create an abundance of it, doesn't it?"
YES, but it doesn't automatically happen. Someone has to act upon that. Now either its the creator themselves, or a third party. Does the third party have a right, or permission to do so?
Do you think you need permission?
"But being able to cheaply and easily replicate something makes it easy to create an abundance of it, doesn't it? Where was *your* logic on that?"
Yes, correct; But because it CAN be done, means it SHOULD be done?
You all missed the point. If the car copier existed, then that 30k car would cost 120k (or more) as the company that was making cars would have adjusted the cost to make up the difference, or the perceived "loss".
intelligence and common sense are two different creatures. I know many "intelligent" people with no common sense.
"Do you really think these people would understand this if you sat them down"
If explained correctly, yes, without a doubt. I teach them everyday how to attach to emails.
"insidious garbage" as is your reference to this, trying to dismiss people as conspiracy theorists. The concern with Chemtrails is; what is being done to experiment with weather control, and its effects on humans. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
For the 2008 Olympics, China had 30 airplanes, 4,000 rocket launchers, and 7,000 anti-aircraft guns to stop rain. Each system would shoot various chemicals into any threatening clouds to shrink rain drops before they reach the stadium.
"fighting in a war and only using pistols"
Its ok. Use what you will, there is no more moral high ground anymore.
Im not talking about any one format or digital. Its hypothetical, in general.
If I have one of something, and you take that something, and duplicate it, then yes its value is diminished.
Now if i had 1 of a thousand of something and copied it; Does that diminish it's value?
Just because its easy to replicate does not mean its in abundance. Where did you find the logic for that?
Lets apply that to digital; if I have one copy of something I created; ONE COPY; just because its easy to copy, there is no abundance of it.
Just because it is easy to replicate has no relevance, nor if it were difficult.
If I have the only known something of whatever, and someone copies it; Doesn't that devalue it? Now there are 2, 4, 8 16, etc. Of course, if its value is extremely low then the point may be moot, but in the instance of something of great value; Wouldn't that be true?
Say you could copy the Mona Lisa EXACTLY, and could not tell the difference from the original, then 100 people do the same...You see where I am going?
I usually agree with most of what is said here, but this one really made me think, and I thank you for that.
Sorry Skeptical Cynic, but the foresight our founding fathers has been lost in the past couple of generations. We no longer posses the spirit of resistance, and will be doomed to ever tightening laws that will strip away our rights. When the tyranny becomes great, and it will, it will be too late. We no longer will be fighting muskets and cannons. Our little guns are NOTHING compared to the technology that WILL be used to oppress us to the point of slavery. When we do try to resist, you will be labeled a domestic terrorists and placed into a FEMA camp. Thanks Democrats AND Republicans.
Off Topic: A billion dollar indrustry that thrives with FREE
They must be doing something right. There is no shortage of quality porn for free on the internet (or so I've heard, cough cough)but THAT entertainment industry does quite well.
"The wow was directed at the ruling, not the actions. Surprised the judge was willing to make that ruling."
Even the passing idiot could have realized what was being done was illegal. I am not surprised at all. I was surprised no one did anything when the extent of what was being collected was exposed. Thanks EFF. Americans are asleep at the wheel.
Say you bought a 500 hp corvette. Chevy decides to "update" the computer and de-tunes it to 350 HP.
Say you bought a 3 GHz Dual quad core MAC and apple decides to "update" it to run at 2.5?
Say you bought an IPhone...he he he. Not a good example.
Although most of you are like so what, only because it does not interest you, you need to realize that if you do not resist this kind of control, together, you may loose a features/functions that you love. Now its Linux; What will it be tomorrow?
Its not about if you are interested or not, but why allow some corporation come in and rape your equipment?
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Uh oh
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Re: Re: Re: Anonymous Coward the shill
So your previous comment:
"wont it be funny if the release document turns out to be nothing like the scare docs that have been distributed by anti-copyright sites?"
"distributed by anti-copyright sites"
Implying there are many. If so shill, please point them out. You cant. You will try, grasping at straws, you will fail miserably.
I have been dealing with pieces of shit (sorry mike i dont usually curse) like yourself for many years on YT. You try to LUMP A GROUP TOGETHER BY IMPLYING THEY ARE OF THE LOWEST COMMON DENOMINATOR, CONNECTING THEM, IN MY CASE WITH THE WORD "CONSPIRACY THEORIST" (no plane-ers come to mind) WHEN MOST HAVE VERY VALID REASONS, NOT CONNECTED WITH ANY CONSPIRACY, BUT WITH IRREFUTABLE FACTS.
But please dont go away. We need the underbelly of the entertainment world to keep on posting their absurd logic for the world to see, and the rational, critical thinkers, will call your bluff every time.
Kiss kiss Shill.
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unlike alcohol prohibition in the 20's
What would be a fun experiment, if someone would have the funds to follow through, would be to send really bogus, extortion letters to a vast majority of people in an area, or maybe just a handful of politicians/Judges per a given area demanding payment for alleged file sharing. Better yet, use the threat of being kicked off the internet, along with leaked/official documents of ACTA itself.
Print the ACTA document and leave it around public areas. Public transport, parks, etc.
Talk about it to anyone who will listen.
Poke the beehive with a stick.
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Re: Anonymous Coward the shill
anti-copyright sites?
Never heard about these. Where are they? Most i hear about is FAIR copyright, and FAIR use for the consumer.
I know FAIR is a difficult concept to understand. Coming from an industry that based itself on ripping off artists. Stealing what others have created for pennies, and although they may agree to your slave terms, it is still taking advantage of someone.
Case in point, WNOC, a local Philly band, was really great, at a time when the whole rap/rock thin was coming about. Live shows were a blast. Anyway, when it came time to get signed, they would not give up publishing rights. Good for them, but unfortunately it was the reason they did not get signed. So you ether sell the rights to EVERYTHING, or they take the ball and go home. Yeah, but its all in the interest of the "Artist" right?
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Re: RE:
You miss the point too. The price for said object is reduced, but its value, may still stay the same. There are ppl that may have been willing to spend more, because its value TO THEM, is still high, until they realize it can be obtained for a lot less. Then their perceived value changes due to an abundance of said object. Be it from duplications, from the creator, or the flooding of copies from a third party. All of which will decrease it VALUE, and PRICE.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: I dont agree with this one
NOT TRUE!
Some of the cheapest things in life, I value most. (My daughters first stuffed toy, a snowman that says my first Christmas. The cost was 2 bucks, but the value, FOR ME, cannot be measured.
Value is subjective, but cost is not.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: I dont agree with this one
In THIS example, I agree, we dont. But in the general hypothetical, not applying to any one industry or product, the line is not so clear.
"But being able to cheaply and easily replicate something makes it easy to create an abundance of it, doesn't it?"
YES, but it doesn't automatically happen. Someone has to act upon that. Now either its the creator themselves, or a third party. Does the third party have a right, or permission to do so?
Do you think you need permission?
"But being able to cheaply and easily replicate something makes it easy to create an abundance of it, doesn't it? Where was *your* logic on that?"
Yes, correct; But because it CAN be done, means it SHOULD be done?
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Re: Re: Just hold on a second...seriously..
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Re: Re: Sorry...
"Do you really think these people would understand this if you sat them down"
If explained correctly, yes, without a doubt. I teach them everyday how to attach to emails.
"insidious garbage" as is your reference to this, trying to dismiss people as conspiracy theorists. The concern with Chemtrails is; what is being done to experiment with weather control, and its effects on humans.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weather_control
For the 2008 Olympics, China had 30 airplanes, 4,000 rocket launchers, and 7,000 anti-aircraft guns to stop rain. Each system would shoot various chemicals into any threatening clouds to shrink rain drops before they reach the stadium.
"fighting in a war and only using pistols"
Its ok. Use what you will, there is no more moral high ground anymore.
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Re: Re: I dont agree with this one ERR!
As many as could hear her?
Gee I guess no one knew about her until the interwebnets came about huh?
How many? Millions.
"What is it worth when you have buying pool of two and you are hungry and it is all you have to trade for food?"
Huh? Speak English much?
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Re: Re: I dont agree with this one
If I have one of something, and you take that something, and duplicate it, then yes its value is diminished.
Now if i had 1 of a thousand of something and copied it; Does that diminish it's value?
Just because its easy to replicate does not mean its in abundance. Where did you find the logic for that?
Lets apply that to digital; if I have one copy of something I created; ONE COPY; just because its easy to copy, there is no abundance of it.
Just because it is easy to replicate has no relevance, nor if it were difficult.
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I dont agree with this one
Say you could copy the Mona Lisa EXACTLY, and could not tell the difference from the original, then 100 people do the same...You see where I am going?
I usually agree with most of what is said here, but this one really made me think, and I thank you for that.
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Re: here comes the USA propoganda wagon
With the blood of tyrants, and patriots.
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Re: Wow! Where is this conversation going?
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Off Topic: A billion dollar indrustry that thrives with FREE
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Balls
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Re: Re: from the wow dept?
Even the passing idiot could have realized what was being done was illegal. I am not surprised at all. I was surprised no one did anything when the extent of what was being collected was exposed. Thanks EFF. Americans are asleep at the wheel.
Thanks for clearing up my mistake mike.
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from the wow dept?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qy3eOCkLVaw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e9WStvRc0rQ
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Im a little sheep ill do what you say.
Say you bought a 3 GHz Dual quad core MAC and apple decides to "update" it to run at 2.5?
Say you bought an IPhone...he he he. Not a good example.
Although most of you are like so what, only because it does not interest you, you need to realize that if you do not resist this kind of control, together, you may loose a features/functions that you love. Now its Linux; What will it be tomorrow?
Its not about if you are interested or not, but why allow some corporation come in and rape your equipment?
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I gotta a basket ball jones... ohh ohh ohh.
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