"Finally manga does not only promote the manga itself it promotes japan (google japan tourism anime manga). Overall i believe there is still a plus side for japan even the free manga scan trends continues"
You should look into doujinshi. Some of the most famous manga artists (even Oda of One Piece fame) recognize that taking works and selling works from others has helped their own art and careers. Too bad we don't have anything quite like that here in the US. Other than DeviantArt...
Other point to bring up, the most famous ones usually do so by selling merchandise. Chopper is One Piece's mascot, Naruto has the merchandise that keeps it famous. Other than that, I believe some just do better because they make better financial decisions. But that's just my guess.
"If you /have/ someone else's work product which you know that they want to be paid for, then you're a thief. Doesn't matter if they're left whole and unharmed because it's digital data: you've stolen the work product and have it."
Honto ni? Ore wa dorobou na no? Nani ga tsureteitta? Sono manga daisuki dakedemo, takai na! Dakara, konputaa de yomimasu.
-------------------------------
Now, in order for me to translate what I've said, it costs $5 to you to translate it. Or someone could come by and translate it for you. But if you take those words and translate them yourself, you're a thief.
This is explaining the point about piracy in general. People are paying for the books and translating it out of their own pockets. When I last went to Japan, the books came in two different types. One was the weekly edition which was usually 500 - 800 yen. WEEKLY! The thicker collections (which held 10 weekly books) usually cost ~ $15 and came about every two or three months. And don't get me started on the anime.
Basically, blue, you don't know anything about the manga market. In the 80s, people traded tapes before Dragonball was shown on TV. As demand for more shows came up, more people translated. They aren't thieves. Some sites are quite prevalent in showing people's scanlations of not only the most famous ones (such as Naruto) but older ones that have since gained an audience (Shin-chan or Kinnikuman come to mind).
The manga arena has been getting bigger and bigger. Some people can now get jobs from being in the scanlation groups. Other seiyuu (voice actors) are famous for their depictions.
But the fact remains, thinking that all of this can be guided by some moral plea is absolutely ludicrous.
"But a small market entrant will get killed by pirate sites if he's paying license fees and competing against the likes of TVShack who is not."
Prove it. Prove that TVShack affected anyone from making money on movies, music, or TV shows that they watched.
Better yet, name any person that has been affected negatively by piracy. Show examples. For every example that you show, I'll show double that have had piracy, in some regard, affect them in the positive. It's so damn annoying when you sit there and say a pirate site, a free site that is promoting movies, documentaries, or whatever else is somehow affecting a commercial site. At the very least, you should be able to prove that.
"I have stated on a number of occasions that Protect IP is not a silver bullet. It will have an impact, it will be significant. It won't stop piracy."
And what I'm saying is the impact you expect won't occur. All of these warning signs BEFORE you advocate PIPA is ignoring what is actually happening.
"The law that is sending Phara to prison has been on the books for years and is applicable to Ebay today. Why then has it not been prosecuted? That's easy, Ebay is no Ninjavideo. Again I remind you that the Protect IP Act does NOT apply to US based sites."
Bullshit. Where was her hearing before the seizure? Where was a DMCA takedown on the five movies so NV had a chance to contest it? Where was *something* that said she was allowed to have her day in court and speak her mind about the seizure before she was turned into a criminal with a plea deal?
"Whether you find it vague or not, Rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure still apply. Attempts at service have to conform to existing law."
The vagueness of that rule makes the law laughable. Give a bully with a badge power to do whatever they want. That's really helping the economy.
"How will my internet be broken?"
Read the links in my other post. Paul Vixie discusses it in detail.
"You take something of value without compensating the rightful owner, it's stealing. Live with it."
And here I thought you weren't going to try to be disingenuous. Since the Supreme Court has already said infringement is not stealing, you're wrong here. Tough shit.
"Equating infringing content with political speech is laughable, even for you"
Equating due process rights to criminal behavior is laughable, even for you.
" It will take a large number of casual, opportunistic infringers out of the mix. It will also make it easier for law enforcement to focus on the hardcore infringers."
And I keep pointing you to how effective it is with Hadopi and the UK Digital Act. It's not. You understand this but you keep making the same tired argument that says "don't worry, the Ministry of Truth will make this all better". You aren't. The effects are already known through the work of Joe Karaganis, Mike, Paul Vixie, and others that continue to watch this trainwreck of a bill destroy the internet.
" I have never said anything more than that the Protect IP Act will have a significant impact on casual infringing."
And I'm saying, based on the evidence given of this process, it's not the one you expect.
"Who cares about access to entertainment in Buttfuckistan? Why are they somehow entitled to get US movies and music? You want a product? Either pay for it or do without"
Here we are talking about potential sales and there you go correlating a download or streamed product to one lost sale.
You might wanna read "Media Piracy in Emerging Economies." It'll change your life.
"You still fail to acknowledge that piracy itself creates barriers to entry."
Because it doesn't. Copyright and its enforcement does that. There's more evidence that weaker copyright laws allow for more profit to the economy, and progresses the arts and sciences, far more than copyright enforcement. The actual barriers are copyright itself. Why is there not five competing streaming services to Netflix and Hulu? Copyright and high licensing from the MPAA. Why is it that the RIAA is going for hip hop blogs that undermine it's radio payola? Copyright and a need to control. Piracy hasn't caused any of these problems. It's been the way to route around arbitrary limits. Maybe if more people figured out the causes of piracy and answered those questions, you would see it decrease. Which has been shown again, and again and again.
I would like everyone to pay very close attention to this article. This is exactly why PIPA will not work. It's why the DMCA, for all the bad of it, hasn't stopped piracy. It's also why those in the industry can't understand how to make new business models that work to coincide consumer demands and revenue for those inside the business.
The movie and music industry could take considerable notes in regards to having better business practices if they followed this area of commerce. Everything here coincides to EXACTLY the things that both industries want: more money.
The legal avenue has shown no signs of working and cost the industry millions of dollars in lobbying, in public perception of them, and in failed legislation that does nothing but makes them weaker and weaker in regards to making money.
All that anyone has asked is lower pricing on tangible goods. In terms of manga, the fact that you pay $10 for a series that has 52 parts is a little expensive. The industry could be better improved by only having to pay $5 per book and a focus on more niche products. Other industries could have smaller bundles for products that people might like. Customizing and making movies that people might want or music that is a mix of various songs, could reinvigorate the industry. As it stands, all the other parts of copyright can do is make people focus more on the illegitimate material than the legal stuff.
"You're not suggesting that the ease of downloading with Bittorrent is the same as using an alternate DNS system are you? And don't you think some people will be justifiably concerned about security that they will not adopt an alternate DNS? I do."
It's becoming more evident that you underestimate how people adapt to challenges of legislation. The legislation isn't going to prevent piracy, nor make the DNS system more secure. People WILL find alternatives and you seem to believe that people won't learn to use a new DNS system as necessary? Come on...
"You can't immunize yourself from criminal culpability by having a legitimate commentary site. Ask Phara how that worked out for her. "
Funny, bring up a person who had their assets seized before having a trial on whether their domain was illegal in a court of law. Great example. I guess the fact that Monster is salivating for this to pass so they can accuse ebay of being illegal by their standards escapes your notice of what a rogue website will be defined as.
"Jay. Read the bill. The US Attorney has to make reasonable attempts to contact the website owner before taking action. Newsflash: They don't want to be found. Why is that so hard to get?"
Newsflash: The wording is vague, and you damn well know it. Until there's something concrete there (they have to call the house of residence, they have to email and show the emails to the judge, the AG has to contact the domain in question and leave a forum post with his name and date on the site in question) then it's intentionally vague. The way to clear that up, is to make SURE to give all information to the court so it can be verified how he attempted to call. As it stands, it could be something as minor as the AG having one phone call, not leaving a message and that is dismissed as a "reasonable attempt."
"Good luck engaging in e-commerce without Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal, etc."
That's actually getting easier to do once PIPA forces people to adapt to it.
"It will be "broken" for those who seek to use alternate DNS for the purpose of accessing infringing content. Tough shit. Something bad happens to you while you're pursuing an unlawful activity that's on you."
It'll be broken for everyone. How sad you still ignore that when it's been discussed over and over again. But I guess when one of the authors of the internet speak, you don't choose to listen.
"The drug business is a cash, hand-to-hand business. Go ahead and send an envelope full of cash to Yuri in Vladivostok for access to the latest movies and let me know how that works out. "
Remember how I started this thread by stating the drug policy has failed? You're still not answering the point I raised about how this will fail to restrict demand. Instead you're just moving the goal posts.
"Censor my ass. Equating infringing content with political speech is laughable, even for you"
This just in: The US censors people from making websites while criticizing China for censoring websites. News at 11.
"The ones who think Protect IP is good are the ones who are having their shit stolen. The ones who think it is bad are not. Not too surprising."
So who's "shit is stolen" and how? Do I have to explain the difference of infringement and theft yet again?
"I don't think that most of the world takes content without compensating the rightful owner. Not everyone feels so entitled and lacks the integrity that you appear to."
I pay for my content first of all. I create my own stuff. Some based on other copyrighted material, some of it on my own. There's no sense of entitlement with me. But noticing that those that claim PIPA will solve all problems on the internet, while splitting it up into smaller communities, seem to be the ones incredibly entitled to making money using outdated business models. That's not my problem, nor the problem of those in some far off country where access to entertainment is limited.
As I've said and demonstrated before, if they want to make money make their IP available legally. It's not that hard. Using the government to wield a flamethrower on a nail isn't going to solve anything. It's not that hard, but you seem to want to make it so. The fact that most of the "problems" of piracy can be solved by making legal services escapes you. But hey, when your paycheck is on the line for this to pass, it's not my problem either.
"We see that to some extent going on with the Occupy movement as the Democrats seem to be embracing it. The question is whether the Democrats will really embrace it or just give lip service. Embracing the movement would probably mean giving up those big campaign contributions and the revolving-door jobs with big industries that they are currently in bed with."
Lip service. Obama has used the OWS campaign to attack Republicans (Link). Basically, his avoidance of the issue comes in this sentence here:
"We had the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression - huge collateral damage throughout the country, all across main street. And yet, you are still seeing some of the same folks who acted irresponsibly trying to crack down on abusive practices that got us in the situation in the first place"
Never mind the fact that the bailout of AIG was a personal favor to those that helped him get elected. And most of it went to bailout the CEOs with bonuses. Let's blame the Repubs to look good while ignoring why people say they're fighting against money in government.
"Jay, if you really think that all of the casual, opportunistic infringers are going to migrate en masse to alternate DNS systems, you're crazy."
Just like the people en masse migrated to Bittorrent when Fox changed their policy, making their show watching illegal? Are you really going to pursue this line of reasoning?
"Free speech? Bullshit, some movie blog attached to an infringing site disappears"
Yep, some people would be pissed if their commentary site were taken down without any warning.
" Again, the Protect IP Act affords foreign websites accused of infringing the same procedural rights as any other civil litigant."
Bullshit on your part because you've never explained this. You always fudge up in explaining how a private party gets a right to action against a website, or the methods that need to be taken in getting in contact with a foreign owner BEFORE a site is taken down. But now that alternatives are popping up, it's going to answer the next part of your post:
" Break the internet?"
Yes, because the DNS servers will be less secure and more prone to hacking. Obviously, since you don't understand it, you want it broken.
" You and I both know that cutting off the money from credit card processors, ad networks and disappearing domain names will have a significant impact on these rogue sites."
Uhm... Yeah... I'm pretty sure that all this does is change how people make payment processes in various ways. Piracy, the thing that this is supposed to stop, won't change and people will be able to still infringe. It's like you're saying the drug policy has reduced demand for drugs. It hasn't. All these complex rules do is make the US government look worse and worse by trying to censor people while criticizing the rest of the world.
"Otherwise you and the rest of the freeloaders, apologists and sundry cheerleaders wouldn't have your knickers in such a twist."
Nope. Disingenuous argument based on an assumption.
"If the Protect IP Act was really thought to be feckless, you'd say nothing- content to let the whole thing fall on its face."
Even before it's a law, you have the engineers of the internet (you know, the people that actually know what's going on?) saying it's bad. You have various entrepreneurs who have learned to use the internet saying it's bad. You have more people saying it's bad while only one or two industries that benefit from having their own private police force say it's good.
It seems when you're paid to ignore bad laws that implicate most of the world as criminals, you'll only look to pass the law and ignore any criticism.
If current law is any indication, PIPA is still beyond flawed, not working and still fails to do anything since all it's doing is making people use less secure methods of DNS, as well as set up more secure and anonymous forms of payment.
I still wonder how you fail to see that as you advocate the bill. Have you not realized the law of unintended consequences? Or does the sun always shine with flowers and roses in the reality that PIPA will actually stop anything?
There's one problem. If I hadn't mangled my earlier post, then you should be able to understand it.
If you decided to record the police with your phone, then it's left open. So any evidence you may have of wrong doing on the phone, the officer can go through and delete without anything to back up what you say. So it may be better to have a camcorder or fight for this right in court.
There's an even worse implication here. Let's say that you are recording with your camera and the officer decides to arrest you. Most smartphones don't have the ability to turn the phone off after you're being arrested. So the officer may have unwarranted access. And what if the officer is corrupt, even the slightest?
Well, after you're detained, he could arrest your data, implicating him! Then, practically any access you have to email, social networks, on your phone, is liable to have you jailed and the police a LOT of access to your friends and family.
This isn't just unconstitutional, this is an invasion of privacy on untold levels.
On the post: WIPO Article About Manga Piracy Describes Publishers' Failure To Meet Demand In Graphic Detail
Re: WHAT i FIND ENTERTAINING..
On the post: WIPO Article About Manga Piracy Describes Publishers' Failure To Meet Demand In Graphic Detail
Re: Just want to point out something
You should look into doujinshi. Some of the most famous manga artists (even Oda of One Piece fame) recognize that taking works and selling works from others has helped their own art and careers. Too bad we don't have anything quite like that here in the US. Other than DeviantArt...
Other point to bring up, the most famous ones usually do so by selling merchandise. Chopper is One Piece's mascot, Naruto has the merchandise that keeps it famous. Other than that, I believe some just do better because they make better financial decisions. But that's just my guess.
On the post: WIPO Article About Manga Piracy Describes Publishers' Failure To Meet Demand In Graphic Detail
Re: Re: Piracy = unmet demand
Honto ni? Ore wa dorobou na no? Nani ga tsureteitta? Sono manga daisuki dakedemo, takai na! Dakara, konputaa de yomimasu.
-------------------------------
Now, in order for me to translate what I've said, it costs $5 to you to translate it. Or someone could come by and translate it for you. But if you take those words and translate them yourself, you're a thief.
This is explaining the point about piracy in general. People are paying for the books and translating it out of their own pockets. When I last went to Japan, the books came in two different types. One was the weekly edition which was usually 500 - 800 yen. WEEKLY! The thicker collections (which held 10 weekly books) usually cost ~ $15 and came about every two or three months. And don't get me started on the anime.
Basically, blue, you don't know anything about the manga market. In the 80s, people traded tapes before Dragonball was shown on TV. As demand for more shows came up, more people translated. They aren't thieves. Some sites are quite prevalent in showing people's scanlations of not only the most famous ones (such as Naruto) but older ones that have since gained an audience (Shin-chan or Kinnikuman come to mind).
The manga arena has been getting bigger and bigger. Some people can now get jobs from being in the scanlation groups. Other seiyuu (voice actors) are famous for their depictions.
But the fact remains, thinking that all of this can be guided by some moral plea is absolutely ludicrous.
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Prove it. Prove that TVShack affected anyone from making money on movies, music, or TV shows that they watched.
Better yet, name any person that has been affected negatively by piracy. Show examples. For every example that you show, I'll show double that have had piracy, in some regard, affect them in the positive. It's so damn annoying when you sit there and say a pirate site, a free site that is promoting movies, documentaries, or whatever else is somehow affecting a commercial site. At the very least, you should be able to prove that.
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
And what I'm saying is the impact you expect won't occur. All of these warning signs BEFORE you advocate PIPA is ignoring what is actually happening.
"The law that is sending Phara to prison has been on the books for years and is applicable to Ebay today. Why then has it not been prosecuted? That's easy, Ebay is no Ninjavideo. Again I remind you that the Protect IP Act does NOT apply to US based sites."
Bullshit. Where was her hearing before the seizure? Where was a DMCA takedown on the five movies so NV had a chance to contest it? Where was *something* that said she was allowed to have her day in court and speak her mind about the seizure before she was turned into a criminal with a plea deal?
"Whether you find it vague or not, Rule 65 of the Federal Rules of Civil Procedure still apply. Attempts at service have to conform to existing law."
The vagueness of that rule makes the law laughable. Give a bully with a badge power to do whatever they want. That's really helping the economy.
"How will my internet be broken?"
Read the links in my other post. Paul Vixie discusses it in detail.
"You take something of value without compensating the rightful owner, it's stealing. Live with it."
And here I thought you weren't going to try to be disingenuous. Since the Supreme Court has already said infringement is not stealing, you're wrong here. Tough shit.
"Equating infringing content with political speech is laughable, even for you"
Equating due process rights to criminal behavior is laughable, even for you.
" It will take a large number of casual, opportunistic infringers out of the mix. It will also make it easier for law enforcement to focus on the hardcore infringers."
And I keep pointing you to how effective it is with Hadopi and the UK Digital Act. It's not. You understand this but you keep making the same tired argument that says "don't worry, the Ministry of Truth will make this all better". You aren't. The effects are already known through the work of Joe Karaganis, Mike, Paul Vixie, and others that continue to watch this trainwreck of a bill destroy the internet.
" I have never said anything more than that the Protect IP Act will have a significant impact on casual infringing."
And I'm saying, based on the evidence given of this process, it's not the one you expect.
"Who cares about access to entertainment in Buttfuckistan? Why are they somehow entitled to get US movies and music? You want a product? Either pay for it or do without"
Here we are talking about potential sales and there you go correlating a download or streamed product to one lost sale.
You might wanna read "Media Piracy in Emerging Economies." It'll change your life.
"You still fail to acknowledge that piracy itself creates barriers to entry."
Because it doesn't. Copyright and its enforcement does that. There's more evidence that weaker copyright laws allow for more profit to the economy, and progresses the arts and sciences, far more than copyright enforcement. The actual barriers are copyright itself. Why is there not five competing streaming services to Netflix and Hulu? Copyright and high licensing from the MPAA. Why is it that the RIAA is going for hip hop blogs that undermine it's radio payola? Copyright and a need to control. Piracy hasn't caused any of these problems. It's been the way to route around arbitrary limits. Maybe if more people figured out the causes of piracy and answered those questions, you would see it decrease. Which has been shown again, and again and again.
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
In regards to France, you might be reading that wrong. It's caused rate hikes, scams, False accusations, plausible deniability, among other things. But has it stopped or even slowed down piracy?
One word: No
On the post: WIPO Article About Manga Piracy Describes Publishers' Failure To Meet Demand In Graphic Detail
Piracy = unmet demand
The movie and music industry could take considerable notes in regards to having better business practices if they followed this area of commerce. Everything here coincides to EXACTLY the things that both industries want: more money.
The legal avenue has shown no signs of working and cost the industry millions of dollars in lobbying, in public perception of them, and in failed legislation that does nothing but makes them weaker and weaker in regards to making money.
All that anyone has asked is lower pricing on tangible goods. In terms of manga, the fact that you pay $10 for a series that has 52 parts is a little expensive. The industry could be better improved by only having to pay $5 per book and a focus on more niche products. Other industries could have smaller bundles for products that people might like. Customizing and making movies that people might want or music that is a mix of various songs, could reinvigorate the industry. As it stands, all the other parts of copyright can do is make people focus more on the illegitimate material than the legal stuff.
On the post: Woman Sues Over Misleading Movie Trailer; Wants To Make It A Class Action
Re: Re: Pirates!
Those track pants were hideous that the villain wore...
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Tell me, how are they working out so far while you go for these weak retorts?
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
It's becoming more evident that you underestimate how people adapt to challenges of legislation. The legislation isn't going to prevent piracy, nor make the DNS system more secure. People WILL find alternatives and you seem to believe that people won't learn to use a new DNS system as necessary? Come on...
"You can't immunize yourself from criminal culpability by having a legitimate commentary site. Ask Phara how that worked out for her. "
Funny, bring up a person who had their assets seized before having a trial on whether their domain was illegal in a court of law. Great example. I guess the fact that Monster is salivating for this to pass so they can accuse ebay of being illegal by their standards escapes your notice of what a rogue website will be defined as.
"Jay. Read the bill. The US Attorney has to make reasonable attempts to contact the website owner before taking action. Newsflash: They don't want to be found. Why is that so hard to get?"
Newsflash: The wording is vague, and you damn well know it. Until there's something concrete there (they have to call the house of residence, they have to email and show the emails to the judge, the AG has to contact the domain in question and leave a forum post with his name and date on the site in question) then it's intentionally vague. The way to clear that up, is to make SURE to give all information to the court so it can be verified how he attempted to call. As it stands, it could be something as minor as the AG having one phone call, not leaving a message and that is dismissed as a "reasonable attempt."
"Good luck engaging in e-commerce without Visa, Mastercard, Amex, Paypal, etc."
That's actually getting easier to do once PIPA forces people to adapt to it.
"It will be "broken" for those who seek to use alternate DNS for the purpose of accessing infringing content. Tough shit. Something bad happens to you while you're pursuing an unlawful activity that's on you."
It'll be broken for everyone. How sad you still ignore that when it's been discussed over and over again. But I guess when one of the authors of the internet speak, you don't choose to listen.
"The drug business is a cash, hand-to-hand business. Go ahead and send an envelope full of cash to Yuri in Vladivostok for access to the latest movies and let me know how that works out. "
Remember how I started this thread by stating the drug policy has failed? You're still not answering the point I raised about how this will fail to restrict demand. Instead you're just moving the goal posts.
"Censor my ass. Equating infringing content with political speech is laughable, even for you"
This just in: The US censors people from making websites while criticizing China for censoring websites. News at 11.
"The ones who think Protect IP is good are the ones who are having their shit stolen. The ones who think it is bad are not. Not too surprising."
So who's "shit is stolen" and how? Do I have to explain the difference of infringement and theft yet again?
"I don't think that most of the world takes content without compensating the rightful owner. Not everyone feels so entitled and lacks the integrity that you appear to."
I pay for my content first of all. I create my own stuff. Some based on other copyrighted material, some of it on my own. There's no sense of entitlement with me. But noticing that those that claim PIPA will solve all problems on the internet, while splitting it up into smaller communities, seem to be the ones incredibly entitled to making money using outdated business models. That's not my problem, nor the problem of those in some far off country where access to entertainment is limited.
As I've said and demonstrated before, if they want to make money make their IP available legally. It's not that hard. Using the government to wield a flamethrower on a nail isn't going to solve anything. It's not that hard, but you seem to want to make it so. The fact that most of the "problems" of piracy can be solved by making legal services escapes you. But hey, when your paycheck is on the line for this to pass, it's not my problem either.
On the post: Pirate Party Building Up More And More Support: 9% Nationwide In Germany
Re: Re:
Lip service. Obama has used the OWS campaign to attack Republicans (Link). Basically, his avoidance of the issue comes in this sentence here:
"We had the biggest financial crisis since the Great Depression - huge collateral damage throughout the country, all across main street. And yet, you are still seeing some of the same folks who acted irresponsibly trying to crack down on abusive practices that got us in the situation in the first place"
Never mind the fact that the bailout of AIG was a personal favor to those that helped him get elected. And most of it went to bailout the CEOs with bonuses. Let's blame the Repubs to look good while ignoring why people say they're fighting against money in government.
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
You're also ignoring the massive backlash that will be gearing up to laws such as this.
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:
Just like the people en masse migrated to Bittorrent when Fox changed their policy, making their show watching illegal? Are you really going to pursue this line of reasoning?
"Free speech? Bullshit, some movie blog attached to an infringing site disappears"
Yep, some people would be pissed if their commentary site were taken down without any warning.
" Again, the Protect IP Act affords foreign websites accused of infringing the same procedural rights as any other civil litigant."
Bullshit on your part because you've never explained this. You always fudge up in explaining how a private party gets a right to action against a website, or the methods that need to be taken in getting in contact with a foreign owner BEFORE a site is taken down. But now that alternatives are popping up, it's going to answer the next part of your post:
" Break the internet?"
Yes, because the DNS servers will be less secure and more prone to hacking. Obviously, since you don't understand it, you want it broken.
" You and I both know that cutting off the money from credit card processors, ad networks and disappearing domain names will have a significant impact on these rogue sites."
Uhm... Yeah... I'm pretty sure that all this does is change how people make payment processes in various ways. Piracy, the thing that this is supposed to stop, won't change and people will be able to still infringe. It's like you're saying the drug policy has reduced demand for drugs. It hasn't. All these complex rules do is make the US government look worse and worse by trying to censor people while criticizing the rest of the world.
"Otherwise you and the rest of the freeloaders, apologists and sundry cheerleaders wouldn't have your knickers in such a twist."
Nope. Disingenuous argument based on an assumption.
"If the Protect IP Act was really thought to be feckless, you'd say nothing- content to let the whole thing fall on its face."
Even before it's a law, you have the engineers of the internet (you know, the people that actually know what's going on?) saying it's bad. You have various entrepreneurs who have learned to use the internet saying it's bad. You have more people saying it's bad while only one or two industries that benefit from having their own private police force say it's good.
It seems when you're paid to ignore bad laws that implicate most of the world as criminals, you'll only look to pass the law and ignore any criticism.
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re:
I still wonder how you fail to see that as you advocate the bill. Have you not realized the law of unintended consequences? Or does the sun always shine with flowers and roses in the reality that PIPA will actually stop anything?
On the post: As Expected, Alternative DNS Systems Sprouting Up To Ignore US Censorship
Re: Re: Re:
But I can't quite put my finger on it...
On the post: CA Governor Lets Police Search Your Smartphones At Traffic Stops
Re:
If you decided to record the police with your phone, then it's left open. So any evidence you may have of wrong doing on the phone, the officer can go through and delete without anything to back up what you say. So it may be better to have a camcorder or fight for this right in court.
On the post: CA Governor Lets Police Search Your Smartphones At Traffic Stops
Re: Re: Re: here's an idea
arrest your = erase any
GRRR...
On the post: CA Governor Lets Police Search Your Smartphones At Traffic Stops
Re: Re: here's an idea
Well, after you're detained, he could arrest your data, implicating him! Then, practically any access you have to email, social networks, on your phone, is liable to have you jailed and the police a LOT of access to your friends and family.
This isn't just unconstitutional, this is an invasion of privacy on untold levels.
Next >>