What’s a jan 6 commission going to look for besides being yet another hyper-partisan waste of tax money?
Everyone (or nearly) who broke the law has been filmed or photographed.
The majority of those law breakers are already charged or pending charge.
It’s not even that rare an occurrence! As I’ve laid out elsewhere on this site, some group or other penetrates the capital every few decades.
We don’t need another partisan display.
Maybe it’s time to do a Penetrated the Capital Commission.
Because the reality of this is not what happened that is of “real” concern, but why/by whom. And that’s not the thing to focus on!
Maybe a few extra senators being scared (and not the ones miles away from the capital) this time would cause a commission to convene to do something about the security of the building. Rather than spend weeks or months looking at ways to fabricate some ten times removed connection to Trump farting and breaking a blade of grass on protected land:
They figure out how to make this not happen again.
Over all, this was still rather non-violent. Compared to prior penetrations.
Eventually one of these instances is going to be another barn burner!
So the tldr take away is:
Focus on the problem (the capital was penetrated) and not more “Trump’s fault” crap.
You’re too deluded to deal with today.
Nothing I’ve said here has any negative connotations towards sexual choices.
All I did was offer a way to legally elevate the people as a whole above the religious claims.
But you are too stuck in the thought than anything other than what you think must be bigotry.
It’s not a likely solution. But stripping a term from legal recognition would kill the argument. Sure, they’d turn around and argue they have a right to use the term. It it would make the term meaningless in law. So your priest pastor dude can give you a “licence” but legal recognition of a civil union is all the government would recognise.
Kind of hard to complain about marriage concerns in law when the government doesn’t use the term.
That is/was The point.
Every step of the way on expansion of rights under the term they have complained. So, stop using the term? Strip the term of its recognition?
Has nothing to do with the US. At all.
The Dems have the majority. They should have put a national internet system in the infrastructure bill.
They had the chance to fix the health care system. And do away with the pointless and debilitating enrolment period complexities.
Yet they fail. It’s not a left or right thing: failure.
It’s the whole of government that fails. Over and over again.
They’re too busy pandering to financiers. And too busy making sure their ghost written book sells well.
Or making headlines somewhere with a bridge to nowhere or plant a tree.
Breaking the law is breaking the law. You punish people for the laws they break. Those that broke the law should be held accountable.
Those that did not, the vast majority, did nothing wrong.
See, you’re type, this is why half the country isn’t more supportive of the protests in general.
I can recognise and get past the fact that you are hypocrites. Many can’t.
When a few hundred BLM protesters turn to vandalism, then theft, then arson, then outright murder? The cops caused it. It was plants. It was someone else. Whatever excuse the first person to speak says.
I don’t need to flail or weasel or anything else.
Punish the criminals. Don’t throw the protest under the steamroller.
Play by the rules. Make your voice heard.
The right to peaceably assemble. A right of protest for redress.
What I do condemn is the hypocrisy of the approach depending on the position of the protest.
This right here tells me you are disgustingly dishonest
I’m not denying that there was violence. Inside or outside. What I’m saying didn’t happen was a multi-thousand strong armed rebellion or insurrection.
Scroll up above and see the links to the security footage.
Different things happened in different places at various times.
I’m well aware of the media montages showing just the violence.
Over all, the situation is no different than most of the protests in the last two years.
Which has what relevance to people trying destroy the democratic process?
In context
“Do you have examples of people chanting "Kill the king" and waving signs saying Trump should die while forcing themselves into a federal building and assaulting the officers trying to stop them? “
“Unlike the Jan 6th,
The anti-police activists opted to just burn the federal building, including the cops inside. “
A crime is a crime.
Exactly. And those who commit the crimes should be punished!
ie people who profess to the same political belief as you do are peaceful even though they have committed criminal acts of violence.
Now that’s just shite. Not remotely what I said. Those who broke the law should be punished.
will criticize likeminded people when they do stupid shit, but you have chosen not to do that and have instead doubled down on making excuses for them and offering up irrational justifications.
You don’t actually read, do you.
I have always said that those who broke the law must be prosecuted. I just am not willing to condemn those who didn’t break any law.
Perhaps you have convinced yourself that is what happened which means you are deluded. So, what is it? Liar or deluded?
Neither. See linked video above.
You are conflating the acts of a subsection with the acts of the whole. Again, I do not, did not, and will not deny nor condone the illegal acts of the few!
Nor will I condemn the whole based on the few. Regardless of what their protesting.
What the fuck would you call hundreds of people storming the steps of the Capitol, breaking into the Capitol, forcing members of Congress into hiding out of fear for their safety, and assaulting numerous police officers—all of which was caught on camera
“Storming”. More like walking?
I call the handful that caused the problems a problem. They should be prosecuted.
The rest?
No.
You are so fond of keeping the violent offenders in the blm protests separate. Why you can’t do the same here is beyond me. Though I think it has something to do with your motives and hatred for one man.
Funny, I didn’t see a “majority” of the “protestors” at the Capitol that day trying to stop the violent rioters from breaking in windows, beating up cops, and trashing the offices of Congresspeople.
Well, seeing as video evidence shows how quick the protestors were to rush to the aid of the assaulted… you’re blind.
As for those who broke in elsewhere,
Like you say ‘It’s just property’ right.
There’s a big difference in property vs murder.
How that would have played out? You have your belief and I have mine. Unlike you I’m not going to believe that people would have stood by to open blatant murder of the Vice President based on their political belief.
And then there’s the people who aren’t part of such protests but use them as cover for their own malicious actions, knowing the protestors will be blamed for the violence.
Bingo! A small group of fanatics used the cover of the capital protest for their own agenda.
2016
But I get your point. Again, that is a small group acting alone. Not thousands of peaceful protestors.
Violent groups exist. And they use the cover of protest for their own goals. Happens on both sides of politics.
Whatever act of insurrection there was, it was completely separate from the majority of the protestors.
“Radical left”
I’m not what you call the squad then. Or their lapdog that happens to be the speaker of the house.
But more of their ideas make it into bill text than the likes of Green.
Are you going to tell me that they were all leftist plants or undercover police, too?
Why would I do that? That’s just as untruthful as saying all the BLM violence was white nazis in disguise or cops.
They were obviously far right zealots.
He was always a conservative; that you never seemed to realize it is your problem.
He didn’t want secure borders. He wanted closed borders—to completely shut down immigration.
Again with the MSNBCNN nonsense. No he didn’t. He made the same calls every president over the last 3 decades.
He didn’t want no immigration, he wanted no illegal immigration.
Come through the crossing. Legally.
so…hey, how’d that plan work out in the long run?
We’ll never know. Biden tossed all planing out the door and went with his own! That worked out well didn’t it now?!?
he never had a healthcare plan to show off that would’ve proven so.
No, he left that to congress. The branch of government that creates laws. It was their job to come up with something.
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Yep. on the grounds that their leaders are allowing "anarchy, violence, and destruction."
On the grounds of violating federal law by obstructing federal law enforcement
On many reasonable grounds.
as long as you keep praising him without any criticism or complaint—I’m going to call you a delusional ass-kisser.
I have many complaints, and have voiced them on this very site. You are simply unhappy I don’t have all the same complaints you do.
a move, might I add, that Trump had planned and Biden respected
Only in actually leaving the country. Every bit of plan of operation was ignored. Something even MSNBC can’t deny now.
For what reason do you refuse to accept criticisms of Trump as anything other than punishable-by-death heresy against your golden god?
Because much of your criticism is things I don’t criticise. See your link above ad an example.
You can blame covid on trump all you want. He’s not the one who shut down business. He’s not the one who said she’ll “never” take a vaccine developed under the trump administration.
I’ve voiced many complaints about his response to the pandemic. Such as his lack of pushing for mask use. Any protection, no matter how minimal, is better than no protection. And he should have worked with the CDC and manufacturing using executive funding to ramp up N95 mask production.
He should have worked with the CDC and USDOT for tracing.
But he didn’t tank the economy. States that shut down did. States that remained open had minimal economic hardship.
Marjorie Taylor Greene and any other Republican politician still pushing Trump’s Big Lie.
The named one is one person with little ability to do anything. And the “big lie” is a misleading headline for the far left.
In reality, as non-focused polls show, the “he won and it was stolen” crowd is quite small. The “how much fraud” crowd is far larger.
Few cling to Trump winning. Most of us realise the loss, and the reasoning. Trump didn’t loose because of any fraud. He lost because every willing Democrat and anti-Trump voter cast their vote. And the Republican turn out was less than full.
Simply put, too many Republicans didn’t trust the insecurities of the mail in system: casting no vote at all.
We’ll never know what the results would have been with 100% voting.
But vote results show a major down ticket Republican gain in 20 so it’s unlikely the election was stolen.
I don’t believe the DNC is smart enough to pull off the kind of rigging that would be required to pull just one slot. No! If the election was fraud the whole election would be. Not just one position.
No. No, it is not.
Yep, again! You take one example and claim it represents everyone.
The most “far left” thing anyone in Congress has suggested—government-run healthcare
No, the most far left things presented are the likes of banning plastic straws, ending meat sales, taxing mileage in private vehicle use.
Shutting down power plants before replacements are even built, let alone operational.
Most republicans aren’t against a government health care option. They’re against it being the only option.
Granted they have piss poor ideas on paying for it. Republicans use the same why tax me idea for health care as they do for schools. Don’t want to pay for things they don’t use.
And we’d all be better off if everyone had coverage so it’s perfectly reasonable to make sure the guy next door gets coverage out of my taxes.
But few are flat out against government healthcare.
What about the right to vote? What about the right to an abortion? What about the right to be queer in public, including the right to marry? What about the right to remain free of forced association with religion—Christianity in particular?
Already have it
Long time problem
Already have it
Already have it (and I really don’t like that word).
Well, forced association? The word god is on our currency. Let’s start with that. But I don’t see anything of a major forced association beyond minor things. Got a reference?
As for the news FUD:
The number of citizens without government id is infinitesimal.
There’s no great attack on voting rights.
Just a failure to make sure the few that don’t have id get one supplied to them.
Roe v. Wade, is under attack. Has been since the day of the ruling.
“the rights of transgender people, “
They’re better off now than 10 years ago. And it continues to improve. It’s a place I agree with you though. We’re not going to debate once again how to get there.
and the wall of separation between church and state.
You mean the porous chain link fence. And I don’t see any major push that would force more religion. Want to show some I may be missing?
But this is your list of concerns. Not mine.
I’m more concerned about the safety of my community, my right to keep my weapons, and the attack on speech is ongoing right now. The re-editing of films, the cancel culture.
The champion of free speech Ian the one who protests what is offensive. It’s the one who fights for the right for others to BE offensive!
I mean, it’s not like any of those people would ever help write a law that would institute the death penalty for queer people like you if given the chance, amirite~?
Such a law would never pass in this country.
If it didn’t exist in the hight of the religious movements of the mid-1800s here it has zero chance of existence today.
Again, those of the far extremes are so few that they are not a threat beyond their immediate surroundings.
Not today and not in the near future.
So I’ll deal with the threats to my existence first before I worry about a potential in the future.
The few dozen insurrectionists don’t condemn the protest.
think you’d have a double standard here. You’d likely take the report of a death at a BLM rally as an opportunity to call that event “a violent left-wing riot”,
No. And there’s been deaths at most of the BLM protests.
It’s not a riot until the start rioting. I again separate the criminals from the protestors.
The riots often happen after dark when most of the peaceful protestors have left.
Stop and think about what you’re actually saying there for a moment.
If it was a separate group of people? Yes. That you really think that the majority there would have allowed that to happen in the first place makes me feel very said for your faith in democratic protest.
You’re simply unable to recognise that small subsets exist.
It’s obvious in your absolute denial of violence during/after BLM protests.
And it’s obvious here! Of the thousands in attendance. Of the sub-hundred that actually entered the capital through the main public entry…
How many people were in that corridor at the hallway? How many entered the floors?
You can’t separate the violent radicals from the group while! Either they all are or there are none!
Or the fall back when your smashed in the head with evidence: ‘false flag’ claims.
The reality is simply; bad people show up to large gatherings and do bad things. It happens.
You don’t condemn the whole for the acts of the few.
Regardless of what they are gathering for.
You’re defending a violent insurrection against the federal government
You keep telling yourself that despite the growing pile of evidence that all but a few dozen were nothing more than peaceful.
no amount of wanting Republicans to rule the country with an iron fist is going to save you from them after you help Trump
Well, we’ll start
With Trump being a life long Democrat. That happened to be centrist. Secure borders, reduced foreign involvement, national healthcare option, America First?
Well, Obama ran with that. And I voted for it then too.
That pay-me-later politicians gets in the way over and over just means we need to keep trying.
Again you find an undying need to toss all Trump supporters into Q right.
Trump wasn’t elected by republicans. He was pushed over the line by those democrats who would never vote for General Genocide criminal conspiracy Clinton.
Or any of that group of cross-party gangsters.
People vote on the aspects they like most. People vote against the aspects they like least.
Often time you find someone with a bunch of bad ideas who happens to seek out something you strongly agree with.
That you think the q has any kind of real sway in politics shows your own bubble of understanding.
The party proper is far more tolerant than you believe.
So no, I have no fear of the Republicans party whole.
I am worried about the Dem slide towards the far left though.
You’re worried about granting more rights. I’m worried about the rights they’ll take away. Like arms. Like speech.
Neither a single actor, nor a group minority, represents the whole.
Who is protesting what doesn’t make a difference to me.
Abide by the law. Break the law get punished.
I spoke with Jake Angeli, the QAnon guy who got inside the Senate chamber. He said police eventually gave up trying to stop him and other Trump supporters, and let them in~ A Morrow
Follows the video evidence.
Add to that the capital security footage that shows the stood around, did nothing, and then left with no force necessary when asked to?
What you referred to happened in other spots. And those people should be prosecuted.
The majority of the protestors never even entered the lobby!
They don’t usually repeatedly chant for the hanging of the man responsible for certifying the presidential election results.
The internet is your friend. There’s thousands of hours of people calling for the death of the (then) sitting president.
“Hang Mike pence” is protected speech.
Hanging Mike Pence is against the law.
Funny, then, how hundreds of people were arrested in the following days, weeks, and months on charges ranging from trespassing to acts of violence against police.
Most of those “charges” were dropped quickly btw. The trespassing charges made up the bulk of it and police dropped charges. There’s few people still clinging to the idea they weren’t allowed entry.
First there’s separate things that happened. Just like…that’s right, the riots that followed anti law protests.
We have the assaults. And it was the protestors en mad that stopped them. Holding the suspects for immediate arrest.
And there’s incidental involved by taking shots were arrested in the follow days and weeks.
We have people who moved away from the entrance and gained illegal access via windows. To random parts of the building.
We have the small crowd that commenced a raid on the capital hallway.
You’re so ignorant that you think there isn’t a chance of a legitimate nation-dividing schism after the 2024 election
No. But it’s not some far-left conspiracy about racists that is the issue.
And that’s what your comment implies.
After all, you didn’t hear the people in the Capitol chanting “hang the podium from the Senate floor”.
You conveniently ignore the death to/for trump signs? “Kill the king”? “Kill the tyrant “?
Etc.
Words and ideas themselves are protected. Be they against Trump, the police, or Pence.
We had members of congress which death to Trump when contracting covid.
But let’s focus on “hang Mike pence” and not anything said about the President himself. Right?
Uh… no?
Does it? I’m not aware of that. I’m not looking up the entomology at the moment but I don’t recall reading merge in a religious context of any regularity.
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What’s a jan 6 commission going to look for besides being yet another hyper-partisan waste of tax money?
Everyone (or nearly) who broke the law has been filmed or photographed.
The majority of those law breakers are already charged or pending charge.
It’s not even that rare an occurrence! As I’ve laid out elsewhere on this site, some group or other penetrates the capital every few decades.
We don’t need another partisan display.
Maybe it’s time to do a Penetrated the Capital Commission.
Because the reality of this is not what happened that is of “real” concern, but why/by whom. And that’s not the thing to focus on!
Maybe a few extra senators being scared (and not the ones miles away from the capital) this time would cause a commission to convene to do something about the security of the building. Rather than spend weeks or months looking at ways to fabricate some ten times removed connection to Trump farting and breaking a blade of grass on protected land:
They figure out how to make this not happen again.
Over all, this was still rather non-violent. Compared to prior penetrations.
Eventually one of these instances is going to be another barn burner!
So the tldr take away is:
Focus on the problem (the capital was penetrated) and not more “Trump’s fault” crap.
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No, I’m opposed to applying the term marriage to anything legally recognised.
Sure. A federal law that eliminates the term marriage completely and institutes a national recognition of all joining in law as civil unions.
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Where did I do that?
Those who break the law should be punished.
The peaceful protesters do nothing wrong.
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You’re too deluded to deal with today.
Nothing I’ve said here has any negative connotations towards sexual choices.
All I did was offer a way to legally elevate the people as a whole above the religious claims.
But you are too stuck in the thought than anything other than what you think must be bigotry.
It’s not a likely solution. But stripping a term from legal recognition would kill the argument. Sure, they’d turn around and argue they have a right to use the term. It it would make the term meaningless in law. So your priest pastor dude can give you a “licence” but legal recognition of a civil union is all the government would recognise.
Kind of hard to complain about marriage concerns in law when the government doesn’t use the term.
That is/was The point.
Every step of the way on expansion of rights under the term they have complained. So, stop using the term? Strip the term of its recognition?
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Has nothing to do with the US. At all.
The Dems have the majority. They should have put a national internet system in the infrastructure bill.
They had the chance to fix the health care system. And do away with the pointless and debilitating enrolment period complexities.
Yet they fail. It’s not a left or right thing: failure.
It’s the whole of government that fails. Over and over again.
They’re too busy pandering to financiers. And too busy making sure their ghost written book sells well.
Or making headlines somewhere with a bridge to nowhere or plant a tree.
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Because you’re quite mistaken. Criminals should be prosecuted.
I’m just unwilling condemn a protest because of the actions of the few.
I’ve approached the BLM protests the same way.
Those that break the law must be heals accountable.
What angers me is after years of ‘just a small group’ being ignored in the news the whole of 1/6 is is tarred for a small group.
It’s hypocritical.
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A Libertarian, former Democrat. Generally a Democrat voter. Though I’m not party dependent.
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Breaking the law is breaking the law. You punish people for the laws they break. Those that broke the law should be held accountable.
Those that did not, the vast majority, did nothing wrong.
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I didn’t. I was a thousand miles away: quite literally!
Nor did the majority of people who were there on the 6th.
I can separate bad actors from a protest whole.
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See, you’re type, this is why half the country isn’t more supportive of the protests in general.
I can recognise and get past the fact that you are hypocrites. Many can’t.
When a few hundred BLM protesters turn to vandalism, then theft, then arson, then outright murder? The cops caused it. It was plants. It was someone else. Whatever excuse the first person to speak says.
I don’t need to flail or weasel or anything else.
Punish the criminals. Don’t throw the protest under the steamroller.
Play by the rules. Make your voice heard.
The right to peaceably assemble. A right of protest for redress.
What I do condemn is the hypocrisy of the approach depending on the position of the protest.
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I’m not denying that there was violence. Inside or outside. What I’m saying didn’t happen was a multi-thousand strong armed rebellion or insurrection.
Scroll up above and see the links to the security footage.
Different things happened in different places at various times.
I’m well aware of the media montages showing just the violence.
Over all, the situation is no different than most of the protests in the last two years.
In context
“Do you have examples of people chanting "Kill the king" and waving signs saying Trump should die while forcing themselves into a federal building and assaulting the officers trying to stop them? “
“Unlike the Jan 6th,
The anti-police activists opted to just burn the federal building, including the cops inside. “
Exactly. And those who commit the crimes should be punished!
Now that’s just shite. Not remotely what I said. Those who broke the law should be punished.
You don’t actually read, do you.
I have always said that those who broke the law must be prosecuted. I just am not willing to condemn those who didn’t break any law.
Neither. See linked video above.
You are conflating the acts of a subsection with the acts of the whole.
Again, I do not, did not, and will not deny nor condone the illegal acts of the few!
Nor will I condemn the whole based on the few. Regardless of what their protesting.
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“Storming”. More like walking?
I call the handful that caused the problems a problem. They should be prosecuted.
The rest?
No.
You are so fond of keeping the violent offenders in the blm protests separate. Why you can’t do the same here is beyond me. Though I think it has something to do with your motives and hatred for one man.
Well, seeing as video evidence shows how quick the protestors were to rush to the aid of the assaulted… you’re blind.
As for those who broke in elsewhere,
Like you say ‘It’s just property’ right.
There’s a big difference in property vs murder.
How that would have played out? You have your belief and I have mine. Unlike you I’m not going to believe that people would have stood by to open blatant murder of the Vice President based on their political belief.
Bingo! A small group of fanatics used the cover of the capital protest for their own agenda.
Violent groups exist. And they use the cover of protest for their own goals. Happens on both sides of politics.
Whatever act of insurrection there was, it was completely separate from the majority of the protestors.
“Radical left”
I’m not what you call the squad then. Or their lapdog that happens to be the speaker of the house.
But more of their ideas make it into bill text than the likes of Green.
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Why would I do that? That’s just as untruthful as saying all the BLM violence was white nazis in disguise or cops.
They were obviously far right zealots.
https://www.thoughtco.com/was-donald-trump-a-democrat-3367571
You’re absolutely flat out wrong on that.
Donald Trump was always a centrist Democrat. And much of his policy is/was centre-left.
Again with the MSNBCNN nonsense. No he didn’t. He made the same calls every president over the last 3 decades.
He didn’t want no immigration, he wanted no illegal immigration.
Come through the crossing. Legally.
We’ll never know. Biden tossed all planing out the door and went with his own! That worked out well didn’t it now?!?
No, he left that to congress. The branch of government that creates laws. It was their job to come up with something.
Yep. on the grounds that their leaders are allowing "anarchy, violence, and destruction."
On the grounds of violating federal law by obstructing federal law enforcement
On many reasonable grounds.
I have many complaints, and have voiced them on this very site. You are simply unhappy I don’t have all the same complaints you do.
Only in actually leaving the country. Every bit of plan of operation was ignored. Something even MSNBC can’t deny now.
Because much of your criticism is things I don’t criticise. See your link above ad an example.
You can blame covid on trump all you want. He’s not the one who shut down business. He’s not the one who said she’ll “never” take a vaccine developed under the trump administration.
I’ve voiced many complaints about his response to the pandemic. Such as his lack of pushing for mask use. Any protection, no matter how minimal, is better than no protection. And he should have worked with the CDC and manufacturing using executive funding to ramp up N95 mask production.
He should have worked with the CDC and USDOT for tracing.
But he didn’t tank the economy. States that shut down did. States that remained open had minimal economic hardship.
The named one is one person with little ability to do anything. And the “big lie” is a misleading headline for the far left.
In reality, as non-focused polls show, the “he won and it was stolen” crowd is quite small. The “how much fraud” crowd is far larger.
Few cling to Trump winning. Most of us realise the loss, and the reasoning. Trump didn’t loose because of any fraud. He lost because every willing Democrat and anti-Trump voter cast their vote. And the Republican turn out was less than full.
Simply put, too many Republicans didn’t trust the insecurities of the mail in system: casting no vote at all.
We’ll never know what the results would have been with 100% voting.
But vote results show a major down ticket Republican gain in 20 so it’s unlikely the election was stolen.
I don’t believe the DNC is smart enough to pull off the kind of rigging that would be required to pull just one slot. No! If the election was fraud the whole election would be. Not just one position.
Yep, again! You take one example and claim it represents everyone.
No, the most far left things presented are the likes of banning plastic straws, ending meat sales, taxing mileage in private vehicle use.
Shutting down power plants before replacements are even built, let alone operational.
Most republicans aren’t against a government health care option. They’re against it being the only option.
Granted they have piss poor ideas on paying for it. Republicans use the same why tax me idea for health care as they do for schools. Don’t want to pay for things they don’t use.
And we’d all be better off if everyone had coverage so it’s perfectly reasonable to make sure the guy next door gets coverage out of my taxes.
But few are flat out against government healthcare.
Already have it
Long time problem
Already have it
Already have it (and I really don’t like that word).
Well, forced association? The word god is on our currency. Let’s start with that. But I don’t see anything of a major forced association beyond minor things. Got a reference?
As for the news FUD:
The number of citizens without government id is infinitesimal.
There’s no great attack on voting rights.
Just a failure to make sure the few that don’t have id get one supplied to them.
Roe v. Wade, is under attack. Has been since the day of the ruling.
“the rights of transgender people, “
They’re better off now than 10 years ago. And it continues to improve. It’s a place I agree with you though. We’re not going to debate once again how to get there.
You mean the porous chain link fence. And I don’t see any major push that would force more religion. Want to show some I may be missing?
But this is your list of concerns. Not mine.
I’m more concerned about the safety of my community, my right to keep my weapons, and the attack on speech is ongoing right now. The re-editing of films, the cancel culture.
The champion of free speech Ian the one who protests what is offensive. It’s the one who fights for the right for others to BE offensive!
Such a law would never pass in this country.
If it didn’t exist in the hight of the religious movements of the mid-1800s here it has zero chance of existence today.
Again, those of the far extremes are so few that they are not a threat beyond their immediate surroundings.
Not today and not in the near future.
So I’ll deal with the threats to my existence first before I worry about a potential in the future.
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The few dozen insurrectionists don’t condemn the protest.
No. And there’s been deaths at most of the BLM protests.
It’s not a riot until the start rioting. I again separate the criminals from the protestors.
The riots often happen after dark when most of the peaceful protestors have left.
If it was a separate group of people? Yes. That you really think that the majority there would have allowed that to happen in the first place makes me feel very said for your faith in democratic protest.
You’re simply unable to recognise that small subsets exist.
It’s obvious in your absolute denial of violence during/after BLM protests.
And it’s obvious here! Of the thousands in attendance. Of the sub-hundred that actually entered the capital through the main public entry…
How many people were in that corridor at the hallway? How many entered the floors?
You can’t separate the violent radicals from the group while! Either they all are or there are none!
Or the fall back when your smashed in the head with evidence: ‘false flag’ claims.
The reality is simply; bad people show up to large gatherings and do bad things. It happens.
You don’t condemn the whole for the acts of the few.
Regardless of what they are gathering for.
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You keep telling yourself that despite the growing pile of evidence that all but a few dozen were nothing more than peaceful.
Well, we’ll start
With Trump being a life long Democrat. That happened to be centrist. Secure borders, reduced foreign involvement, national healthcare option, America First?
Well, Obama ran with that. And I voted for it then too.
That pay-me-later politicians gets in the way over and over just means we need to keep trying.
Again you find an undying need to toss all Trump supporters into Q right.
Trump wasn’t elected by republicans. He was pushed over the line by those democrats who would never vote for General Genocide criminal conspiracy Clinton.
Or any of that group of cross-party gangsters.
People vote on the aspects they like most. People vote against the aspects they like least.
Often time you find someone with a bunch of bad ideas who happens to seek out something you strongly agree with.
That you think the q has any kind of real sway in politics shows your own bubble of understanding.
The party proper is far more tolerant than you believe.
So no, I have no fear of the Republicans party whole.
I am worried about the Dem slide towards the far left though.
You’re worried about granting more rights. I’m worried about the rights they’ll take away. Like arms. Like speech.
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The police stepped aside. Allowed the protestors in.
Then asked the protestors to leave. And leave they did.
Unlike the Jan 6th,
The anti-police activists opted to just burn the federal building, including the cops inside.
https://metrovoicenews.com/rioters-attempt-to-burn-down-portland-federal-court-house/
My defence of the peaceful protestors is no more than the BLM supporters have been doing.
The biggest difference is day one if called for those who broke the law to be held accountable.
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All things the same otherwise? Yes.
Neither a single actor, nor a group minority, represents the whole.
Who is protesting what doesn’t make a difference to me.
Abide by the law. Break the law get punished.
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Fucking autocorrect.
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I spoke with Jake Angeli, the QAnon guy who got inside the Senate chamber. He said police eventually gave up trying to stop him and other Trump supporters, and let them in~ A Morrow
Follows the video evidence.
Add to that the capital security footage that shows the stood around, did nothing, and then left with no force necessary when asked to?
What you referred to happened in other spots. And those people should be prosecuted.
The majority of the protestors never even entered the lobby!
The internet is your friend. There’s thousands of hours of people calling for the death of the (then) sitting president.
“Hang Mike pence” is protected speech.
Hanging Mike Pence is against the law.
Most of those “charges” were dropped quickly btw. The trespassing charges made up the bulk of it and police dropped charges. There’s few people still clinging to the idea they weren’t allowed entry.
First there’s separate things that happened. Just like…that’s right, the riots that followed anti law protests.
We have the assaults. And it was the protestors en mad that stopped them. Holding the suspects for immediate arrest.
And there’s incidental involved by taking shots were arrested in the follow days and weeks.
We have people who moved away from the entrance and gained illegal access via windows. To random parts of the building.
We have the small crowd that commenced a raid on the capital hallway.
Every one of those illegal acts must be punished.
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No. But it’s not some far-left conspiracy about racists that is the issue.
And that’s what your comment implies.
You conveniently ignore the death to/for trump signs? “Kill the king”? “Kill the tyrant “?
Etc.
Words and ideas themselves are protected. Be they against Trump, the police, or Pence.
We had members of congress which death to Trump when contracting covid.
But let’s focus on “hang Mike pence” and not anything said about the President himself. Right?
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Uh… no?
Does it? I’m not aware of that. I’m not looking up the entomology at the moment but I don’t recall reading merge in a religious context of any regularity.
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