Justice Department Looking Into Movies On Demand Projects

from the antitrust? dept

I haven't been following the big studios attempts at pushing movies on demand that much, but they appear very similar to their efforts at creating "Napster-wannabes". The Justice Department is investigating both sets of companies for possible anti-trust violations. It seems that various movie studios are teaming up to back certain online projects that will let consumers watch whichever movies they want (from those participating studios). There's Movies.com (backed by Disney and Fox) and MovieFly (backed by Sony, Warner Brothers, Universal, Paramount, and MGM). Just like the music services, I'm not sure that any of these plans make sense unless they somehow set up cross licensing deals with all of the studios. No one is going to want to remember, "oh, I can't watch that movie on MovieFly because it's a Touchstone film, which is owned by Disney..." Of course, that doesn't even get into the issue of whether or not anyone will want to download movies (but that's a question for another day).
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  1. identicon
    mhh5, 21 Dec 2001 @ 1:46pm

    hmmm...

    I'm not sure the divisions are necessarily a bad thing. You can't watch Friends on ABC. You can't see the Sopranos on Fox. So what if you can't download all movies from certain studios from a single source? People will just need to have access to multiple download services.... Just as people have access to multiple channels.

    Right? Or am I missing something?

    link to this | view in thread ]

  2. identicon
    Duffman, 23 Dec 2001 @ 10:54am

    Re: hmmm...

    Yeah, that's true, but you only pay one cable/satellite bill for all your channels, not a separate bill for each channel you decide to watch.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  3. identicon
    John, 24 Dec 2001 @ 1:14pm

    MovieFly

    In regards to your story:

    Approximately 3 years ago we began the development of the 'Filmfly' business concept and in May 1999, we launched Filmfly.com: a multiple application e-tainment portal, which enabled users to interact with streaming feature film and television media and related advertising, promotional and i-commerce information.

    We subsequently established Filmfly Interactive Ltd., which currently serves as a holding company for intellectual property rights relating to the 'Filmfly' business. The assets of the company include: ownership of Canadian and US trade-mark rights for the trade name 'filmfly'; filmfly.com domain name and patent work related to the protection for all the related 'Filmfly' business concepts.

    The first of our licensees debuted a system on August 15, 2000, based on our proprietary networked solution, to deliver digital media to conventional movie theatres and FilmFly branded kiosks, within the actual theatre location physical space.

    Shortly thereafter, we first became aware of Sony's efforts in relation to the establishment of 'Moviefly'. Soon after, we learned that Sony had registered the filmfly.net and filmfly.org domain names and directed users to the Sony Pictures Web-site.

    In June 2001, we were contacted by the Canadian Intellectual Property Office (CIPO) which informed us that Sony's application for the 'Moviefly' trademark had been determined to possibly violate our own 'Filmfly' mark. Contact with Sony's legal representatives then proved hostile as they attempted to challenge our mark; which pre-dated theirs by a considerable amount of time!?!

    In August 2001, the MovieFly alliance with the other studios was announced and the beginning of their true intentions were revealed. Sony's efforts to block our trade-name proved to be an effective tactic, inuring our business development efforts, while they went and made deals with our only possible and ultimate potential customers.

    Having accomplished their goals, it was of little surprise that as of December of this year, all challenges by Sony to our prior 'FilmFly' mark had been dropped.

    Communication with Sony representatives have proved useless, as they either state that:
    a) MovieFly is not an operational business;
    b) They may not keep the MovieFly name, anyway; or
    c) MovieFly as a competitor to FilmFly, is no different than a Burger King to a McDonalds!

    Based on our past history, the VOD initiative discussed today by MovieFly, which was first established by us in May 1999, is probably just a stop on the way to full, digital movie theatre distribution in the future, which again, of course is a business we've been involved with since August 2000. Not exactly very original, are they?

    In order to properly protect our corporate identity and fairly explain our position, I ask that you contact me at your convenience for verification of the above and to further discuss our situation, and in relation to the DOJ investigation of Sony's efforts in the creation of the MovieFly business.

    Thank you for your time and consideration.

    Sincerely,

    John
    ------------
    John A. Vasilakos
    Director / FilmFly Interactive Ltd.
    Eye2buy Technology Group of Companies

    link to this | view in thread ]

  4. identicon
    Oliver Wendell Jones, 2 Jan 2002 @ 6:44am

    Re: hmmm...

    Yes, but you can get ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox all on your ONE cable or satellite bill, you don't need separate accounts for each one.

    That's the real difference.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  5. identicon
    jimmy stevenson, 23 Jun 2003 @ 6:32pm

    Re: hmmm...

    Exactly, the channel must stay intact. Without it the quality will drop off to zero.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  6. identicon
    Jimmy Stevens, 1 Nov 2004 @ 2:28pm

    Re: MovieFly

    In follow up to the situation between Filmfly and Sony, a telephone conversation was held between Mr. John A. Vasilakos, representing the Filmfly interests and Mr. James (Jim) Ramo, CEO of Movielink.
    As Movielink is an entirely new business there really isn't any issue between Filmfly and Movielink. The problem and blame still lay at Sony's feet, which they are unwilling to wash, before treading on other people's intellectual property. How rude, especially for a Japanese company that has been graciously allowed to conduct business in Canada and the United States.
    Fortunately, the same cannot be said for Mr. Ramo, who Mr. Vasilakos was duly impressed with and said after their conversation, "there is not a finer and more respectful fellow in Hollywood. A real class act who has his hands full with many challenges in rolling out his business. I wish him all the best in his efforts".
    Despite, amicable relations with the current version of MovieLink the situation between Filmfly and Sony Pictures is far from a decent one and will soon become clearer as to our next steps, upon consultation with the RCMP.
    To date, Sony's explanation and position of their part in their behaviour would require a a hugely expensive civil lawsuit on our part to ascertain the true nature of Sony's efforts, since they have been less than forthcoming.
    We would remind others of Sony's ways, which we believe are quite shocking considering they aren't even an American company, when contemplating any type of transaction that may or may not directly involve their group.
    To be continued....
    Sincerely,
    J.S.
    'what have we got?'
    --------------------------------------------------
    web keywords:
    filmfly, filmfly, interactive, sony, sony, sony pictures, pictures, moviefly, moviefly, filmfly.net, filmfly.org, cipo, cipo, department of justice, doj, john vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john vasilakos, inventor, copyright holder, founder, president, director, ceo, eye2buy technology company, eye2buy technology canada ltd., eye2buy technology llc., filmfly interactive, filmfly entertainment, eye2buy technology group of companies, fair use, treaty rights, intellectual property, copyright infringement.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  7. identicon
    Jimmy Stevens, 1 Nov 2004 @ 2:30pm

    Re: MovieFly

    In discussions with the RCMP in Toronto it was realized that TouchPoint Solutions of Mississauga; the Canadian Filmfly licensee under contract, had had a deal with Columbia-Tri Star, at the same time Sony challenged the original Filmfly Mark.
    Then which during the TM issue the licensee (TouchPoint) fraudulently voided their contract, moved all corporate assets to Delaware, changed the operating trade name of the venture and vended them into a Nevada Corporation, with which they then applied for an OTC listing for Filmfly, under the new corporate identity.
    All the while; Sony had built up their MovieFly business, which at that time was 'top-secret'; not only confusing our marketplace yet then when Sony had also obtained the Filmfly .net & .org domain names from under the authority of the Canadian licensee, Sony continued to willfully violate our copyright for the purposes of commercial advantage and private financial gain; eventually deciding on MovieLink when they finally announced, or decided, just exactly what the Filmfly/Moviefly/ MovieLink business was actually going to end up being.
    To that point we had not only lost a $1.5 M financing negotiated for Filmfly, yet the original $1.5 M spent on Filmfly R&D, plus, of course the original Filmfly company and all of its customers, which was now operating under a new name.
    We had anticipated that the DOJ investigation into Sony's efforts towards the creation of the MovieFly business would've spoken to this, yet as an Intellectual Property issue this was outside of their scope.
    To date, Sony's explanation and position of their part in their behaviour would require a a hugely expensive civil lawsuit on our part to ascertain the true nature of Sony's efforts, since they have been less than forthcoming.
    We would remind others of Sony's ways, which we believe are quite shocking considering they aren't even an American company, when contemplating any type of transaction that may or may not directly involve their group.
    To be continued....
    Sincerely,
    J.S.
    'what have we got?'

    --------------------------------------------------
    web keywords:
    filmfly, filmfly, interactive, sony, sony, sony pictures, pictures, moviefly, moviefly, filmfly.net, filmfly.org, cipo, cipo, department of justice, doj, john vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john vasilakos, inventor, copyright holder, founder, president, director, ceo, eye2buy technology company, eye2buy technology canada ltd., eye2buy technology llc., filmfly interactive, filmfly entertainment, eye2buy technology group of companies, fair use, treaty rights, intellectual property, copyright infringement.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  8. identicon
    Jimmy Stevens, 1 Nov 2004 @ 2:40pm

    Filmfly

    In follow up to the situation between Filmfly and Sony, a telephone conversation was held between Mr. John A. Vasilakos, representing the Filmfly interests and Mr. James (Jim) Ramo, CEO of Movielink.
    As Movielink is an entirely new business there really isn't any issue between Filmfly and Movielink. The problem and blame still lay at Sony's feet, which they are unwilling to wash, before treading on other people's intellectual property. How rude, especially for a Japanese company that has been graciously allowed to conduct business in Canada and the United States.
    Fortunately, the same cannot be said for Mr. Ramo, who Mr. Vasilakos was duly impressed with and said after their conversation, "there is not a finer and more respectful fellow in Hollywood. A real class act who has his hands full with many challenges in rolling out his business. I wish him all the best in his efforts".
    Despite, amicable relations with the current version of MovieLink the situation between Filmfly and Sony Pictures is far from a decent one and will soon become clearer as to our next steps, upon consultation with the RCMP.
    To date, Sony's explanation and position of their part in their behaviour would require a a hugely expensive civil lawsuit on our part to ascertain the true nature of Sony's efforts, since they have been less than forthcoming.
    We would remind others of Sony's ways, which we believe are quite shocking considering they aren't even an American company, when contemplating any type of transaction that may or may not directly involve their group.
    To be continued....
    Sincerely,
    J.S.
    'what have we got?'
    --------------------------------------------------
    web keywords:
    filmfly, filmfly, interactive, sony, sony, sony pictures, pictures, moviefly, moviefly, filmfly.net, filmfly.org, cipo, cipo, department of justice, doj, john vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john vasilakos, inventor, copyright holder, founder, president, director, ceo, eye2buy technology company, eye2buy technology canada ltd., eye2buy technology llc., filmfly interactive, filmfly entertainment, eye2buy technology group of companies, fair use, treaty rights, intellectual property, copyright infringement.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  9. identicon
    Jimmy Stevens, 1 Nov 2004 @ 2:42pm

    MovieFly

    In discussions with the RCMP in Toronto it was realized that TouchPoint Solutions of Mississauga; the Canadian Filmfly licensee under contract, had had a deal with Columbia-Tri Star, at the same time Sony challenged the original Filmfly Mark.
    Then which during the TM issue the licensee (TouchPoint) fraudulently voided their contract, moved all corporate assets to Delaware, changed the operating trade name of the venture and vended them into a Nevada Corporation, with which they then applied for an OTC listing for Filmfly, under the new corporate identity.
    All the while; Sony had built up their MovieFly business, which at that time was 'top-secret'; not only confusing our marketplace yet then when Sony had also obtained the Filmfly .net & .org domain names from under the authority of the Canadian licensee, Sony continued to willfully violate our copyright for the purposes of commercial advantage and private financial gain; eventually deciding on MovieLink when they finally announced, or decided, just exactly what the Filmfly/Moviefly/ MovieLink business was actually going to end up being.
    To that point we had not only lost a $1.5 M financing negotiated for Filmfly, yet the original $1.5 M spent on Filmfly R&D, plus, of course the original Filmfly company and all of its customers, which was now operating under a new name.
    We had anticipated that the DOJ investigation into Sony's efforts towards the creation of the MovieFly business would've spoken to this, yet as an Intellectual Property issue this was outside of their scope.
    To date, Sony's explanation and position of their part in their behaviour would require a a hugely expensive civil lawsuit on our part to ascertain the true nature of Sony's efforts, since they have been less than forthcoming.
    We would remind others of Sony's ways, which we believe are quite shocking considering they aren't even an American company, when contemplating any type of transaction that may or may not directly involve their group.
    To be continued....
    Sincerely,
    J.S.
    'what have we got?'
    --------------------------------------------------
    web keywords:
    filmfly, filmfly, interactive, sony, sony, sony pictures, pictures, moviefly, moviefly, filmfly.net, filmfly.org, cipo, cipo, department of justice, doj, john vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john vasilakos, inventor, copyright holder, founder, president, director, ceo, eye2buy technology company, eye2buy technology canada ltd., eye2buy technology llc., filmfly interactive, filmfly entertainment, eye2buy technology group of companies, fair use, treaty rights, intellectual property, copyright infringement.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  10. identicon
    Jason Willis, 1 Nov 2004 @ 3:22pm

    John Vasilakos

    John Vasilakos is amongst the most knowledgable and passionate purveyors of interactive communication technologies involved in the industries today. His multiple software inventions and worldwide copyrights in the field attest to the cutting-edge understanding of his skill and experience.

    There have been many attempts in the past to subterfuge his warm and engaging personality with the ulterior motives of unspoken agendas and as a result many negative experiences have affected John's company's and his career, unneccessarily.

    His enthusiasm though is undaunted and that's why I love the man so much.

    I don't even work for him anymore and I admire him more today than ever.

    I want John Vasilakos and his efforts to succeed against the negativety he has encountered these past years, and I am using this post as a open forum messageboard for praise and assistance of him; for he is the last person to ask for any of this, good or bad. He just wants to make TV a better place for everyone involved; you, me, them, everybody!

    The industry needs John Vasilakos and his technologies to help it transition from it's current day model to it's future version.

    Let's give John and the industry the support it needs!!

    Jason Willis
    --------------------------------------------------
    web keywords:
    filmfly, filmfly, interactive, sony, sony, sony pictures, pictures, moviefly, moviefly, filmfly.net, filmfly.org, cipo, cipo, department of justice, doj, john vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john vasilakos, inventor, copyright holder, founder, president, director, ceo, eye2buy technology company, eye2buy technology canada ltd., eye2buy technology llc., filmfly interactive, filmfly entertainment, eye2buy technology group of companies, fair use, treaty rights, intellectual property, copyright infringement. filmfly, filmfly, interactive, sony, sony, sony pictures, pictures, moviefly, moviefly, filmfly.net, filmfly.org, cipo, cipo, department of justice, doj, john vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john a. vasilakos, john vasilakos, inventor, copyright holder, founder, president, director, ceo, eye2buy technology company, eye2buy technology canada ltd., eye2buy technology llc., filmfly interactive, filmfly entertainment, eye2buy technology group of companies, fair use, treaty rights, intellectual property, copyright infringement.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  11. identicon
    D. Murdoch, 1 Nov 2004 @ 4:00pm

    John Vasilakos

    Indeed, I agree with the earlier posters. John Vasilakos is totally the best guy I've encountered in the ITV industry. He really knows his stuff and isn't afraid to call it as it is.
    Case in point, I rememember a meeting with Shaw Communications in Calgary back in early 2000, I think it was. Anyway, what a bunch of arrogant ignorants the Shaw group were, yet through the whole appointment, John was very polite and knowlegable as usual, having a reply to every objection that was flung his way.
    Eventually, the engineers finally intimated and I'm paraphrasing here, it was some time ago, along the lines that, "sure, buddy you're well spoken and you and your University students think you're really knowledgeable, but we're putting all our money with Microsoft and AT&T."
    John in his usual polite manner replied, "that's your right certainly, yet our research also finds that the Microsoft/ AT&T initiative is unviable and that, with all due respect, is destined to fail within the year".
    Those jerks at Shaw just burst out laughing and basically said this meeting was over. John again, in his super cool way, said, "fine yet as you will soon see, not only will Microsoft/AT&T fail yet so will many other high profile entities that you are currently vested into. We're not here to insult you, we're here to offer our service and to help."
    They justed started laughing harder and told us to get out of there office, they'd heard enough.
    The financiers that put the meeting together were completely embarrassed, which they should've been thinking that a bunch of country bumpkins like the Shaw group would be evolved enough to understand the genius of the Eye2buy Technology that John and our entire scientific team had built.
    I'm not exactly sure how long, but I know those goofs at Shaw were still laughing when, not six months or so later did the Microsoft/AT&T initiative actually start to unravel, resulting in billions and billions of dollars in write-downs.
    I guess it's true, people laugh for one of two reasons:
    1) Because, they think its funny;
    2) Because they're nervous.
    Now I know why John always had a wry grin on his face when we mentioned the Shaw meeting. He has such a wicked sense of humour sometimes. Good luck with everything John. We're all with you.
    Regards,
    DM








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  12. identicon
    Concerned ITV'er, 29 Mar 2005 @ 5:52pm

    Re: John Vasilakos was Right About SONY

    Sony Has Some Explaining To Do

    Tue Mar 29, 1:47 PM ET Technology - NewsFactor


    Jason Lopez, business.newsfactor.com

    Electronics giant Sony (NYSE: SNE - news) has been ordered to pay $US90.7 million in damages for patent infringement over the touch feedback technology deployed in joysticks for the PlayStation console. Sony says it will take the matter to an appeals court.



    • Immersion Expects To Defeat Sony Appeal
    • Sony and Samsung in Patent Deal
    • Sony, nVidia To Collaborate on Playstation 3
    • Sony PSP Flying Off Shelves - 200,000 First-Day Sales
    • Ericsson Sues Sendo for Patent Infringement
    Newsletter Subscription



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    Calling Future Phones
    What's a cell phone? They make movies, play music, pack GPS units, and will do more. They're also a new virus magnet.




    The court order also requires Sony to stop selling its PlayStation consoles and other video gaming products found to be infringing in the U.S. But that injunction has been stayed while Sony prepares its appeal.


    Edge of the Cliff?


    Sony lost its case with Immersion (Nasdaq: IMMR - news) last September. A jury awarded the small Silicon Valley-based company $82 million in damages, a figure that was three times more than the firm’s 2004 revenue of $23.7 million. Last week a court tacked on $8.7 million in interest for a total of $90.7 million. Immersion says Sony made a $7 million payment in mid-February.


    Although the language of the court suggests Sony is on the edge of a cliff, the electronics giant is no danger of damaging its ability to sell PlayStation equipment, say industry experts. Still, many wonder why Sony is fighting the ruling.


    “Sony sells to a mass market and wouldn’t risk its PlayStation sales,” said IDC analyst Schelley Olhava. “Headlines about court rulings seem to have little effect on whether people continue buying,” she asserted.


    Hands Off


    In the late 1990s, Sony developed and brought to market its Dual Shock controllers, which featured vibration capabilities. Immersion claimed Sony's product and one by Microsoft, maker of the Xbox, were based on its own technologies and filed lawsuits against the two tech giants in February of 2002. Microsoft already has settled.


    Immersion is a small Silicon Valley-based company that has been in business for more than a decade developing touch-feedback technology -- also known as "haptic technology" -- for a variety of applications in medical tools, automobiles, cell phones, and military instruments and training.


    Immersion’s haptic technology makes joysticks vibrate according to what is happening on screen during video-game play.


    Apparently, Sony appropriated Immersion’s intellectual property for its own Dual Shock controllers in the late 1990s. In 2000, Immersion began talks with Sony over licensing. Sony declined -- but offered Immersion a partnership on the development of future haptic products.


    Sony says it cannot explain now, but it will reveal in Federal appeals court, why its products do not infringe Immersion’s intellectual property.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  13. identicon
    Concerned Itv'er, 29 Mar 2005 @ 5:56pm

    Re: MovieFly was a Carbon Copy of the Following...

    Sony Has Some Explaining To Do

    Tue Mar 29, 1:47 PM ET Technology - NewsFactor


    Jason Lopez, business.newsfactor.com

    Electronics giant Sony (NYSE: SNE - news) has been ordered to pay $US90.7 million in damages for patent infringement over the touch feedback technology deployed in joysticks for the PlayStation console. Sony says it will take the matter to an appeals court.

    • Immersion Expects To Defeat Sony Appeal
    • Sony and Samsung in Patent Deal
    • Sony, nVidia To Collaborate on Playstation 3
    • Sony PSP Flying Off Shelves - 200,000 First-Day Sales
    • Ericsson Sues Sendo for Patent Infringement
    Newsletter Subscription



    Related Quotes
    SNE
    IMMR
    39.32
    6.08
    -1.84
    -0.22

    Delayed Data
    Providers - Disclaimer


    Calling Future Phones
    What's a cell phone? They make movies, play music, pack GPS units, and will do more. They're also a new virus magnet.


    The court order also requires Sony to stop selling its PlayStation consoles and other video gaming products found to be infringing in the U.S. But that injunction has been stayed while Sony prepares its appeal.

    Edge of the Cliff?

    Sony lost its case with Immersion (Nasdaq: IMMR - news) last September. A jury awarded the small Silicon Valley-based company $82 million in damages, a figure that was three times more than the firm’s 2004 revenue of $23.7 million. Last week a court tacked on $8.7 million in interest for a total of $90.7 million. Immersion says Sony made a $7 million payment in mid-February.

    Although the language of the court suggests Sony is on the edge of a cliff, the electronics giant is no danger of damaging its ability to sell PlayStation equipment, say industry experts. Still, many wonder why Sony is fighting the ruling.

    “Sony sells to a mass market and wouldn’t risk its PlayStation sales,” said IDC analyst Schelley Olhava. “Headlines about court rulings seem to have little effect on whether people continue buying,” she asserted.

    Hands Off

    In the late 1990s, Sony developed and brought to market its Dual Shock controllers, which featured vibration capabilities. Immersion claimed Sony's product and one by Microsoft, maker of the Xbox, were based on its own technologies and filed lawsuits against the two tech giants in February of 2002. Microsoft already has settled.

    Immersion is a small Silicon Valley-based company that has been in business for more than a decade developing touch-feedback technology -- also known as "haptic technology" -- for a variety of applications in medical tools, automobiles, cell phones, and military instruments and training.

    Immersion’s haptic technology makes joysticks vibrate according to what is happening on screen during video-game play.

    Apparently, Sony appropriated Immersion’s intellectual property for its own Dual Shock controllers in the late 1990s. In 2000, Immersion began talks with Sony over licensing. Sony declined -- but offered Immersion a partnership on the development of future haptic products.

    Sony says it cannot explain now, but it will reveal in Federal appeals court, why its products do not infringe Immersion’s intellectual property.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  14. identicon
    J.S., 29 Mar 2005 @ 6:04pm

    Re: MovieFly was rolled out the same way.

    Sony Has Some Explaining To Do

    Tue Mar 29, 1:47 PM ET Technology - NewsFactor


    Jason Lopez, business.newsfactor.com

    Electronics giant Sony (NYSE: SNE - news) has been ordered to pay $US90.7 million in damages for patent infringement over the touch feedback technology deployed in joysticks for the PlayStation console. Sony says it will take the matter to an appeals court.

    The court order also requires Sony to stop selling its PlayStation consoles and other video gaming products found to be infringing in the U.S. But that injunction has been stayed while Sony prepares its appeal.

    Edge of the Cliff?

    Sony lost its case with Immersion (Nasdaq: IMMR - news) last September. A jury awarded the small Silicon Valley-based company $82 million in damages, a figure that was three times more than the firm’s 2004 revenue of $23.7 million. Last week a court tacked on $8.7 million in interest for a total of $90.7 million. Immersion says Sony made a $7 million payment in mid-February.

    Although the language of the court suggests Sony is on the edge of a cliff, the electronics giant is no danger of damaging its ability to sell PlayStation equipment, say industry experts. Still, many wonder why Sony is fighting the ruling.

    “Sony sells to a mass market and wouldn’t risk its PlayStation sales,” said IDC analyst Schelley Olhava. “Headlines about court rulings seem to have little effect on whether people continue buying,” she asserted.

    Hands Off

    In the late 1990s, Sony developed and brought to market its Dual Shock controllers, which featured vibration capabilities. Immersion claimed Sony's product and one by Microsoft, maker of the Xbox, were based on its own technologies and filed lawsuits against the two tech giants in February of 2002. Microsoft already has settled.

    Immersion is a small Silicon Valley-based company that has been in business for more than a decade developing touch-feedback technology -- also known as "haptic technology" -- for a variety of applications in medical tools, automobiles, cell phones, and military instruments and training.

    Immersion’s haptic technology makes joysticks vibrate according to what is happening on screen during video-game play.

    Apparently, Sony appropriated Immersion’s intellectual property for its own Dual Shock controllers in the late 1990s. In 2000, Immersion began talks with Sony over licensing. Sony declined -- but offered Immersion a partnership on the development of future haptic products.

    Sony says it cannot explain now, but it will reveal in Federal appeals court, why its products do not infringe Immersion’s intellectual property.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  15. identicon
    J.S., 29 Mar 2005 @ 6:09pm

    John Vasilakos was Right on the Money (as usual) a

    Associated Press
    Sony in Dispute Over Digital Projectors
    03.29.2005, 01:20 AM

    There's a showdown brewing at the local movie theater, but it's not playing on the screen. It's in the projection booth.
    Sony Electronics Inc., a unit of Sony Corp., last week demonstrated a projection technology for digital cinema that displays images at twice the resolution of existing digital projectors.
    Sony plans to begin shipping the system in July, setting up a race with Texas Instruments Inc., whose technology is at the heart of digital projectors already on the market.
    The competition is emerging at the same time Hollywood is looking to work out a fair way to roll out digital cinema nationwide to replace the ubiquitous 35mm film projectors.
    Critics question how well the eye can distinguish between the 2,000 lines of resolution that current digital projectors have and the 4,000 lines Sony's new projector promises (by comparison, high-definition TV sets show up to 1,080 lines). They also question whether color separation and contrast are any better with a higher line count.
    Regardless, Landmark Theaters, owned by entrepreneur Mark Cuban, announced it would be the first to use the projectors, giving Sony a high-profile partner in the quality debate.
    "We wanted to be ahead of the curve," said Cuban, who founded streaming media company Broadcast.com and sold it to Yahoo Inc. in 1999 for $5.7 billion.
    Seven major film studios working as the Digital Cinema Initiative have adopted standards for digital projection that embrace both the 2,000-line and 4,000-line formats, referred to as 4k and 2k.
    Film makers are beginning to use digital technology to make films, including using 4k devices to play back their daily work and store films. For that reason, Cuban says the industry is making 4k resolution a standard and it makes sense to move his theater chain in that direction as well.
    "The picture quality is amazing," said Cuban. "And we felt this would be a long-term selling point to our customers."
    Sony makes theater sound systems, so it's not new to the marketplace. And the Sony Pictures unit is one of the dominant Hollywood studios. But the so-called SRXR will be Sony's first venture into commercial cinema projection equipment and while the technology is promising it has taken a while to make it ready for the market.
    Sony demonstrated the technology a year ago and said it would be in commercial production by winter. The date was moved to March and now July.
    Tom Mykietyn of Sony Electronics admitted that Sony used "aggressive forecasts in the beginning," but the larger goal was to get Hollywood's suggestions for the technology. Sony demonstrated the technology most recently at ShoWest, an industry trade show held last week in Las Vegas.
    Studios spend $750 million annually supplying copies of films to U.S. theaters and $1.5 billion for theaters elsewhere in the world. Distributing digital films by satellite could cut that bill in half. But doing so without creating digital haves and have-nots among studios, theaters and distributors has stymied Hollywood's effort to create a business plan to roll out the technology.
    "We're not missing an opportunity here," Mykietyn said. "I think the whole industry is waiting on a business model. We think we had the time to work on the quality aspect of the projector."
    Sony will begin shipping two models of its projector in July. The cost of outfitting a screen around Sony technology could range up to $140,000.
    Texas Instruments' DLP technology is already playing in 315 theaters worldwide. That number is expected to top 1,000 in the next 12 months.
    "Resolution has become a proxy for quality," said Doug Darrow, product manager for DLP Cinema at Texas Instruments. He discounted resolution as "something engineers measure." What's important to moviegoers and the film industry is perceived sharpness, said Darrow.
    "We have never once heard from the creative side of the film community that they needed more resolution," said Darrow. "What they talk about are black levels and color performance and we deliver that."

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    Happy Yank, 29 Mar 2005 @ 6:13pm

    MovieFly, oh how very original, not so honorable J

    Sony Has Some Explaining To Do

    Tue Mar 29, 1:47 PM ET Technology - NewsFactor

    Jason Lopez, business.newsfactor.com

    Electronics giant Sony (NYSE: SNE - news) has been ordered to pay $US90.7 million in damages for patent infringement over the touch feedback technology deployed in joysticks for the PlayStation console. Sony says it will take the matter to an appeals court.

    • Immersion Expects To Defeat Sony Appeal


    The court order also requires Sony to stop selling its PlayStation consoles and other video gaming products found to be infringing in the U.S. But that injunction has been stayed while Sony prepares its appeal.

    Edge of the Cliff?

    Sony lost its case with Immersion (Nasdaq: IMMR - news) last September. A jury awarded the small Silicon Valley-based company $82 million in damages, a figure that was three times more than the firm’s 2004 revenue of $23.7 million. Last week a court tacked on $8.7 million in interest for a total of $90.7 million. Immersion says Sony made a $7 million payment in mid-February.

    Although the language of the court suggests Sony is on the edge of a cliff, the electronics giant is no danger of damaging its ability to sell PlayStation equipment, say industry experts. Still, many wonder why Sony is fighting the ruling.

    “Sony sells to a mass market and wouldn’t risk its PlayStation sales,” said IDC analyst Schelley Olhava. “Headlines about court rulings seem to have little effect on whether people continue buying,” she asserted.

    Hands Off

    In the late 1990s, Sony developed and brought to market its Dual Shock controllers, which featured vibration capabilities. Immersion claimed Sony's product and one by Microsoft, maker of the Xbox, were based on its own technologies and filed lawsuits against the two tech giants in February of 2002. Microsoft already has settled.

    Immersion is a small Silicon Valley-based company that has been in business for more than a decade developing touch-feedback technology -- also known as "haptic technology" -- for a variety of applications in medical tools, automobiles, cell phones, and military instruments and training.

    Immersion’s haptic technology makes joysticks vibrate according to what is happening on screen during video-game play.

    Apparently, Sony appropriated Immersion’s intellectual property for its own Dual Shock controllers in the late 1990s. In 2000, Immersion began talks with Sony over licensing. Sony declined -- but offered Immersion a partnership on the development of future haptic products.

    Sony says it cannot explain now, but it will reveal in Federal appeals court, why its products do not infringe Immersion’s intellectual property.

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    Nissan Stainless, 29 Mar 2005 @ 6:21pm

    SONY means F * * K YOU in Japanese

    Technology - washingtonpost.com
    Pay Judgment Or Game Over, Sony Warned

    Tue Mar 29, 3:12 PM ET Technology - washingtonpost.com


    By Mike Musgrove, Washington Post Staff Writer

    Sony Corp (SNE.N). has been warned that it will have to either pay $90.7 million or halt U.S. sales of its PlayStation video-game consoles should it lose an appeal in a case that found it had infringed on patents owned by another company.
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    Immersion Corp. of San Jose sued Sony in 2002, claiming the consumer-electronics giant infringed on its patents with the PlayStation's "Dual Shock" controllers. Such controllers are designed to enhance games and make them more realistic by, for example, vibrating in sync with driving games when players drive over bumpy roads in a video game's virtual world.

    A federal jury sided with Immersion last year and awarded the company $82 million in damages; U.S. District Judge Claudia Wilken on Thursday upheld the decision and added $8.7 million in interest to the amount. But she also granted Sony a stay while the consumer electronics giant appeals the verdict. Sony Computer Entertainment America spokeswoman Monica Wik would not comment on the matter yesterday, saying that it was against company policy to talk about ongoing litigation.

    Immersion originally sought $299 million from Sony Computer Entertainment and Sony Computer Entertainment America. Immersion chief executive Victor Viegas said the amount his company was awarded works out to about 1.37 percent in royalties on $5 billion in sales of the PlayStation 2. As Immersion usually negotiates 5 percent royalties, he said, "it was something of a compromise."

    Viegas said he expects Sony's appeals will take 12 to 18 months. "Before that time, obviously, [Sony] could approach us and begin to negotiate a settlement or a license," he said.

    Immersion settled another patent dispute on a similar matter in 2003 with Microsoft Corp., maker of the Xbox console. Microsoft paid Immersion $26 million out of court.

    Whatever happens, analysts were mostly predicting negligible impact on Sony's business as a result of the lawsuit.

    "This is not going to have any impact on Sony's ability to sell PlayStation 2s to consumers," said Schelley Olhava, an analyst at IDC. "Immersion just wants to get paid or compensated for technology Sony used without paying for it."

    "It's a joke," said Michael Pachter, an analyst at Wedbush Morgan Securities Inc. Even if Sony ends up having to pay Immersion, he said, "We're talking a dollar or two in royalties per PlayStation. Who cares?"

    In its 2002 lawsuit against Sony, Immersion named the Dual Shock controllers and 47 popular video game titles, such as Grand Theft Auto: Vice City, Medal of Honor Frontline, and A Bug's Life.

    Though analysts said it was unlikely the Sony news had any material impact on game publishers, shares of game-publishing giant Electronics Arts Inc. took a tumble. EA shares opened at $55.63 yesterday and dropped to $52.92 before climbing to around $54. Shares of game publisher Activision Inc. took a hit as it slid from $16.50 to about $16.20 for most of the day.

    Viegas said that Immersion's dispute is with Sony and not directly with the game publishers but that they could be greatly affected if Sony loses the appeal and does not pay Immersion.

    Sony has sold 33 million PlayStation 2s in North America since its launch in 2000. Sony's latest gaming device, the PlayStation Portable, went on sale in the United States last week. The new PSP game player does not use the type of tactile-feedback technology that attracted Immersion's lawsuit.

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    curt observer, 20 Nov 2008 @ 10:42am

    another willful example

    Sony loses patent suit, ordered to pay $18.5 million by Tim Stevens, posted Nov 20th 2008 at 9:13AM Sony loses patent suit, ordered to pay $18.5 million Way back in 2006, Lucent-spin off Agere Systems filed a lawsuit against Sony, claiming the electronics behemoth had infringed on not one, not two, but eight of its patents. As it turns out a prior deal with Lucent gave Sony the rights to use seven of those, but that one unlicensed patent became Sony's weak point, allowing Agere's lawyers to inflict massive damage(s). The jury's findings state not only that Sony wrongly utilized Agere's intellectual property in the mylo, Network Walkman, and the PSP, but that there was "clear and convincing evidence that such infringement was willful." In other words: big payout, in this case an eye-opening $18.5 million. Don't blame us Sony, we told you to settle! [Warning: PDF read link] [Via PSP Fanboy] * Read * Permalink * Email this * 40 Comments Filed under: Misc. Gadgets Tags: agere systems, AgereSystems, intellectual property, IntellectualProperty, lawsuit, mylo, network walkman, NetworkWalkman, patent, psp, sony Relevant Posts * How would you change Sony's PSP-3000? (27 days ago - 191 Comments) * Apple's Greg Joswiak touts iPod touch as the future of handheld gaming (8 days ago - 119 Comments) * PSP 3000 finally, inevitably hacked by Datel's Lite Blue Tool (2 days ago - 44 Comments) * Ratchet & Clank headline another PSP-3000 bundle; you're simply thrilled (Yesterday - 38 Comments) * Sony "looking into" PSP-3000 screen interlacing problems (30 days ago - 85 Comments) Subscribe to these comments Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1) vote up vote downReportLowest Ranked athousandleaves athousandleaves @ Nov 20th 2008 9:17AM Booo Sony! Reply vote up vote downReportLow Ranked skittles skittles @ Nov 20th 2008 9:20AM Gees.......talk about a sinking ship......{shakes head in disappointment} Reply vote up vote downReportLowest Ranked kjb434 kjb434 @ Nov 20th 2008 9:28AM Yeah, after last quarters revenue loss and this. Sony being beaten like a batter wife. vote up vote downReportHighest Ranked 000000 000000 @ Nov 20th 2008 9:22AM So what exactly did they copy? The texture of a dpad, the size of a button?... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Dee Dee @ Nov 20th 2008 11:17AM I also would like to know, don't want to read the PDF...what can I say, I'm lazy like that! vote up vote downReportNeutral 16-bit 16-bit @ Nov 20th 2008 9:27AM That's what happens when you're a giant patent infringing crab monster. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 9:27AM Is it me, or 18.5 mil figure seem kinda low? Eye opening? More like eye squinting. Reply vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked Valicore Valicore @ Nov 20th 2008 9:34AM I totally agree, 18.5 million dollars for Sony? That's nothing, it is almost just symbolic. They probably spent more on the legal fight over the past two years than that. vote up vote downReportNeutral Rask Rask @ Nov 20th 2008 9:29AM Ya know, other than a rootkit on a Sony/BMG CD a couple of years ago on one of my PC's, Sony's never really wronged me. Why is it that I'm so happy whenever I see them hit with shit like this... Reply vote up vote downReportHighest Ranked aardWolf aardWolf @ Nov 20th 2008 9:34AM Haha... "other than a rootkit". That's akin to, "other than that anal probe, the aliens really never wronged me". vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 9:42AM Just to get you started: remember Betamax? And more recently BD? Also how Sony just loves proprietary everything? Everything and anything they put in their electronics will ONLY work with other Sony products. I got a Sony camcorder a couple of years ago, and guess what? The video format was proprietary... That's just part of why I hate Sony and won't ever buy a product from them again. vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked y3k.nik y3k.nik @ Nov 20th 2008 9:52AM I dont know where you are getting your facts from Alex.. BD is NOT Sony! I hate it when people say that over and over again. Anyone can get on the BD bangwagon through the BDA which Sony is simply a part of. Why else would every manufacturer out there, except Toshiba have options for BD? As far as camcorders go, my father had one, and it was never proprietary... maybe you just dont know what file extensions mean? I also think, back when PSP came out, UMD was a good idea for the device, because it was cheaper than flash memory. Now it seems redundant. I love sony products, their design and performance always appeal to me, so I may be a fanboy, but I dislike it when people just go about calling products a "bag of hurt" without reason, or information. vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 9:58AM "BD is NOT Sony! .... Why else would every manufacturer out there, except Toshiba have options for BD?" All those manufacturers... pay royalties... to Sony. "As far as camcorders go, my father had one, and it was never proprietary... maybe you just dont know what file extensions mean?" Have you tried editing that file? I didn't mean to play them. "I also think, back when PSP came out, UMD was a good idea for the device, because it was cheaper than flash memory. Now it seems redundant." "Cheaper?". It's cheaper to come up with a brand new media format, modify production lines, and the such than just using a format that already exists? "but I dislike it when people just go about calling products a "bag of hurt" without reason, or information" LOL vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked kitten kitten @ Nov 20th 2008 10:00AM Proprietary is fine for Apple, but not for Sony? Sony are continually coming up with innovative and sexy products. They have made a couple of errors, but what company their size wouldn't? They deserve respect for all the great products they've come up with over the years, not being dissed for one or two mistakes. But people always concentrate on the negative, human nature at it's worst. vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 10:02AM Great, now Apple is involved? vote up vote downReportNeutral Magallanes Magallanes @ Nov 20th 2008 10:03AM BD is not Sony, yet Sony is one (if not the main) leader behind BD. Anyways, I disagree with many Sony products because they are fond in (oh surprise) the use of their own proprietary memory format, the infamous Memory Stick (ugly, slow and expensive) instead to switch to the widely used SD/MSD/MicroSD format. vote up vote downReportNeutral primetime4 primetime4 @ Nov 20th 2008 10:18AM The fact is Panasonic actually owns more BD patents than Sony. They are most likely the one receiving the highest royalty payments. I might not agree with a lot of the decisions Sony has made but at least they are try to improve on the status quo. Atrac and AAC are better than MP3. Betamax is better than VHS. BD is better than HDDVD. You might not like the price or compatibility but at least it pushes other companies from putting out the same sucky stuff every year. I also don't understand why UMD is lumped in with the other proprietary formats. Is it because movies are available on them? Is the DS cartridge considered proprietary? vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 10:20AM @All Sony is part of the BD quartet, but which of the four was the most active, and had the most to lose if BD didn't get adopted. People are saying that they hate when the whole BD fiasco gets blamed on Sony when it was a consortium. The other 3 members haven't even done a fraction of what Sony did to push their format. Didn't PS3s ship with BD even before it became the "standard" format. Low rank me all you want, Sony still sucks. vote up vote downReportNeutral y3k.nik y3k.nik @ Nov 20th 2008 11:42AM In that case Alex, I will consider DVD as a sony proprietary format, because it was bundled with a PS2 when DVDs were not recognized either. BD disc hold 50 gb of date currently whereas a DVD holds 9. If PS3 is to pump out good 1080i/p games, which are of playable length and where i dont have to swap a disc every 20 mins of gameplay, I really dont think there was another alternative to a BD. Please tell me if you know of any other format that can hold 50 GB of data and I will try being serious about what you say. vote up vote downReportLow Ranked JerkfacedFed JerkfacedFed @ Nov 20th 2008 9:49AM Get owned Sony. I love to see them struggle, anytime, anywhere. Eat it. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Spooka Spooka @ Nov 20th 2008 9:52AM Damagees. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Spooka Spooka @ Nov 20th 2008 9:53AM Gar! Corrected in the post! Reply vote up vote downReportLow Ranked JerkfacedFed JerkfacedFed @ Nov 20th 2008 9:54AM Calling it: Sony sued for Patent infringed Blu-ray disks with rootkits for overpromised and underperforming proprietary PS3s with exploding batteries -Their next fiasco Oh wait... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 10:45AM wait, what? batteries in the ps3? huh? vote up vote downReportNeutral toxicpiano toxicpiano @ Nov 20th 2008 9:55AM massive damage reference made my day Reply vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked wildstar wildstar @ Nov 20th 2008 10:05AM Sony kicked my cat. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral 16-bit 16-bit @ Nov 20th 2008 10:35AM +1 vote up vote downReportNeutral ryan ryan @ Nov 20th 2008 11:28AM You come to my house and you kick my dog! vote up vote downReportNeutral ScOObyDoo ScOObyDoo @ Nov 20th 2008 10:09AM $18.5 million probably wipes out any money they ever made off the Mylo... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Bernhard Bernhard @ Nov 20th 2008 10:38AM Sony - Like.No.Other Reply vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 10:42AM Looking at the high ranks and low ranks, it's pretty safe to say that the Sony fanbois are up earlier than everyone else... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 10:47AM (people who like sony products + people who disagree with you) != sony fanboi vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 11:01AM Hey look! I caught one! vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 11:03AM throws out last crumb from pocket. damn, i need to stop feeding the trolls. vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 11:05AM @sjdurfey, LOL, touche... +1 vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 11:12AM *non-troll feeding post* in all seriousness though, i do have problems with Sony, im an open source guy, and therefore i am not a fan of proprietary bull****. they have made many anti-consumer moves over the years, with Blu-Ray just another notch in their anti-consumer ways. However, they do make products that i thoroughly enjoy; all the playstations come to mind....except the PSP, i bought one thinking it was going to be great, then Sony and everyone else gave up on it. Now it just sits, unless i want to play Lumines, which is really the only game (outside of Metal Gear Portable Ops) that i found to actually be fun. on a side note, anyone want to buy a PSP-1001 plus 10 or so games? :D vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 11:22AM They have great products, I never said they were "shitty". But the whole proprietary crap + how they throw their weight around... I just can't stand it to the point I won't buy anything from them as long as it carries any of their proprietary crap (which is pretty much all their products.) PS: not going to deny I'm a troll, but Sony has a special little place in my heart...(do trolls have hearts?) vote up vote downReportNeutral Saltboy Saltboy @ Nov 20th 2008 11:00AM You realize that this is NOTHING for SONY. It is probably cheaper for them to go this way than to have gone through all the negotiating (man hours cost) and deal working. It is not right, but, sadly, that is the reality. Besides some minor bad publicity, there is little punishment here. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral inteller inteller @ Nov 20th 2008 11:39AM Karma bitches! This is what you get for blocking Netflix Sony movie streaming on Xbox! Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Saltboy Saltboy @ Nov 20th 2008 11:32AM Sony is not blocking all Netflix movies on Xbox 360. Just the Columbia releases. What about the Karma of Fable 2 only on Xbox? Add your comments * New Readers * Returning * AOL First time? A confirmation email will be sent to you after submitting. 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    curt observer, 20 Nov 2008 @ 10:45am

    another willful example

    Sony loses patent suit, ordered to pay $18.5 million by Tim Stevens, posted Nov 20th 2008 at 9:13AM Sony loses patent suit, ordered to pay $18.5 million Way back in 2006, Lucent-spin off Agere Systems filed a lawsuit against Sony, claiming the electronics behemoth had infringed on not one, not two, but eight of its patents. As it turns out a prior deal with Lucent gave Sony the rights to use seven of those, but that one unlicensed patent became Sony's weak point, allowing Agere's lawyers to inflict massive damage(s). The jury's findings state not only that Sony wrongly utilized Agere's intellectual property in the mylo, Network Walkman, and the PSP, but that there was "clear and convincing evidence that such infringement was willful." In other words: big payout, in this case an eye-opening $18.5 million. Don't blame us Sony, we told you to settle! [Warning: PDF read link] [Via PSP Fanboy] * Read * Permalink * Email this * 40 Comments Filed under: Misc. Gadgets Tags: agere systems, AgereSystems, intellectual property, IntellectualProperty, lawsuit, mylo, network walkman, NetworkWalkman, patent, psp, sony Relevant Posts * How would you change Sony's PSP-3000? (27 days ago - 191 Comments) * Apple's Greg Joswiak touts iPod touch as the future of handheld gaming (8 days ago - 119 Comments) * PSP 3000 finally, inevitably hacked by Datel's Lite Blue Tool (2 days ago - 44 Comments) * Ratchet & Clank headline another PSP-3000 bundle; you're simply thrilled (Yesterday - 38 Comments) * Sony "looking into" PSP-3000 screen interlacing problems (30 days ago - 85 Comments) Subscribe to these comments Reader Comments (Page 1 of 1) vote up vote downReportLowest Ranked athousandleaves athousandleaves @ Nov 20th 2008 9:17AM Booo Sony! Reply vote up vote downReportLow Ranked skittles skittles @ Nov 20th 2008 9:20AM Gees.......talk about a sinking ship......{shakes head in disappointment} Reply vote up vote downReportLowest Ranked kjb434 kjb434 @ Nov 20th 2008 9:28AM Yeah, after last quarters revenue loss and this. Sony being beaten like a batter wife. vote up vote downReportHighest Ranked 000000 000000 @ Nov 20th 2008 9:22AM So what exactly did they copy? The texture of a dpad, the size of a button?... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Dee Dee @ Nov 20th 2008 11:17AM I also would like to know, don't want to read the PDF...what can I say, I'm lazy like that! vote up vote downReportNeutral 16-bit 16-bit @ Nov 20th 2008 9:27AM That's what happens when you're a giant patent infringing crab monster. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 9:27AM Is it me, or 18.5 mil figure seem kinda low? Eye opening? More like eye squinting. Reply vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked Valicore Valicore @ Nov 20th 2008 9:34AM I totally agree, 18.5 million dollars for Sony? That's nothing, it is almost just symbolic. They probably spent more on the legal fight over the past two years than that. vote up vote downReportNeutral Rask Rask @ Nov 20th 2008 9:29AM Ya know, other than a rootkit on a Sony/BMG CD a couple of years ago on one of my PC's, Sony's never really wronged me. Why is it that I'm so happy whenever I see them hit with shit like this... Reply vote up vote downReportHighest Ranked aardWolf aardWolf @ Nov 20th 2008 9:34AM Haha... "other than a rootkit". That's akin to, "other than that anal probe, the aliens really never wronged me". vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 9:42AM Just to get you started: remember Betamax? And more recently BD? Also how Sony just loves proprietary everything? Everything and anything they put in their electronics will ONLY work with other Sony products. I got a Sony camcorder a couple of years ago, and guess what? The video format was proprietary... That's just part of why I hate Sony and won't ever buy a product from them again. vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked y3k.nik y3k.nik @ Nov 20th 2008 9:52AM I dont know where you are getting your facts from Alex.. BD is NOT Sony! I hate it when people say that over and over again. Anyone can get on the BD bangwagon through the BDA which Sony is simply a part of. Why else would every manufacturer out there, except Toshiba have options for BD? As far as camcorders go, my father had one, and it was never proprietary... maybe you just dont know what file extensions mean? I also think, back when PSP came out, UMD was a good idea for the device, because it was cheaper than flash memory. Now it seems redundant. I love sony products, their design and performance always appeal to me, so I may be a fanboy, but I dislike it when people just go about calling products a "bag of hurt" without reason, or information. vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 9:58AM "BD is NOT Sony! .... Why else would every manufacturer out there, except Toshiba have options for BD?" All those manufacturers... pay royalties... to Sony. "As far as camcorders go, my father had one, and it was never proprietary... maybe you just dont know what file extensions mean?" Have you tried editing that file? I didn't mean to play them. "I also think, back when PSP came out, UMD was a good idea for the device, because it was cheaper than flash memory. Now it seems redundant." "Cheaper?". It's cheaper to come up with a brand new media format, modify production lines, and the such than just using a format that already exists? "but I dislike it when people just go about calling products a "bag of hurt" without reason, or information" LOL vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked kitten kitten @ Nov 20th 2008 10:00AM Proprietary is fine for Apple, but not for Sony? Sony are continually coming up with innovative and sexy products. They have made a couple of errors, but what company their size wouldn't? They deserve respect for all the great products they've come up with over the years, not being dissed for one or two mistakes. But people always concentrate on the negative, human nature at it's worst. vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 10:02AM Great, now Apple is involved? vote up vote downReportNeutral Magallanes Magallanes @ Nov 20th 2008 10:03AM BD is not Sony, yet Sony is one (if not the main) leader behind BD. Anyways, I disagree with many Sony products because they are fond in (oh surprise) the use of their own proprietary memory format, the infamous Memory Stick (ugly, slow and expensive) instead to switch to the widely used SD/MSD/MicroSD format. vote up vote downReportNeutral primetime4 primetime4 @ Nov 20th 2008 10:18AM The fact is Panasonic actually owns more BD patents than Sony. They are most likely the one receiving the highest royalty payments. I might not agree with a lot of the decisions Sony has made but at least they are try to improve on the status quo. Atrac and AAC are better than MP3. Betamax is better than VHS. BD is better than HDDVD. You might not like the price or compatibility but at least it pushes other companies from putting out the same sucky stuff every year. I also don't understand why UMD is lumped in with the other proprietary formats. Is it because movies are available on them? Is the DS cartridge considered proprietary? vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 10:20AM @All Sony is part of the BD quartet, but which of the four was the most active, and had the most to lose if BD didn't get adopted. People are saying that they hate when the whole BD fiasco gets blamed on Sony when it was a consortium. The other 3 members haven't even done a fraction of what Sony did to push their format. Didn't PS3s ship with BD even before it became the "standard" format. Low rank me all you want, Sony still sucks. vote up vote downReportNeutral y3k.nik y3k.nik @ Nov 20th 2008 11:42AM In that case Alex, I will consider DVD as a sony proprietary format, because it was bundled with a PS2 when DVDs were not recognized either. BD disc hold 50 gb of date currently whereas a DVD holds 9. If PS3 is to pump out good 1080i/p games, which are of playable length and where i dont have to swap a disc every 20 mins of gameplay, I really dont think there was another alternative to a BD. Please tell me if you know of any other format that can hold 50 GB of data and I will try being serious about what you say. vote up vote downReportLow Ranked JerkfacedFed JerkfacedFed @ Nov 20th 2008 9:49AM Get owned Sony. I love to see them struggle, anytime, anywhere. Eat it. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Spooka Spooka @ Nov 20th 2008 9:52AM Damagees. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Spooka Spooka @ Nov 20th 2008 9:53AM Gar! Corrected in the post! Reply vote up vote downReportLow Ranked JerkfacedFed JerkfacedFed @ Nov 20th 2008 9:54AM Calling it: Sony sued for Patent infringed Blu-ray disks with rootkits for overpromised and underperforming proprietary PS3s with exploding batteries -Their next fiasco Oh wait... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 10:45AM wait, what? batteries in the ps3? huh? vote up vote downReportNeutral toxicpiano toxicpiano @ Nov 20th 2008 9:55AM massive damage reference made my day Reply vote up vote downReportHighly Ranked wildstar wildstar @ Nov 20th 2008 10:05AM Sony kicked my cat. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral 16-bit 16-bit @ Nov 20th 2008 10:35AM +1 vote up vote downReportNeutral ryan ryan @ Nov 20th 2008 11:28AM You come to my house and you kick my dog! vote up vote downReportNeutral ScOObyDoo ScOObyDoo @ Nov 20th 2008 10:09AM $18.5 million probably wipes out any money they ever made off the Mylo... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Bernhard Bernhard @ Nov 20th 2008 10:38AM Sony - Like.No.Other Reply vote up vote downReportLow Ranked Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 10:42AM Looking at the high ranks and low ranks, it's pretty safe to say that the Sony fanbois are up earlier than everyone else... Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 10:47AM (people who like sony products + people who disagree with you) != sony fanboi vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 11:01AM Hey look! I caught one! vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 11:03AM throws out last crumb from pocket. damn, i need to stop feeding the trolls. vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 11:05AM @sjdurfey, LOL, touche... +1 vote up vote downReportNeutral sjdurfey sjdurfey @ Nov 20th 2008 11:12AM *non-troll feeding post* in all seriousness though, i do have problems with Sony, im an open source guy, and therefore i am not a fan of proprietary bull****. they have made many anti-consumer moves over the years, with Blu-Ray just another notch in their anti-consumer ways. However, they do make products that i thoroughly enjoy; all the playstations come to mind....except the PSP, i bought one thinking it was going to be great, then Sony and everyone else gave up on it. Now it just sits, unless i want to play Lumines, which is really the only game (outside of Metal Gear Portable Ops) that i found to actually be fun. on a side note, anyone want to buy a PSP-1001 plus 10 or so games? :D vote up vote downReportNeutral Alex L. Alex L. @ Nov 20th 2008 11:22AM They have great products, I never said they were "shitty". But the whole proprietary crap + how they throw their weight around... I just can't stand it to the point I won't buy anything from them as long as it carries any of their proprietary crap (which is pretty much all their products.) PS: not going to deny I'm a troll, but Sony has a special little place in my heart...(do trolls have hearts?) vote up vote downReportNeutral Saltboy Saltboy @ Nov 20th 2008 11:00AM You realize that this is NOTHING for SONY. It is probably cheaper for them to go this way than to have gone through all the negotiating (man hours cost) and deal working. It is not right, but, sadly, that is the reality. Besides some minor bad publicity, there is little punishment here. Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral inteller inteller @ Nov 20th 2008 11:39AM Karma bitches! This is what you get for blocking Netflix Sony movie streaming on Xbox! Reply vote up vote downReportNeutral Saltboy Saltboy @ Nov 20th 2008 11:32AM Sony is not blocking all Netflix movies on Xbox 360. Just the Columbia releases. What about the Karma of Fable 2 only on Xbox? Add your comments * New Readers * Returning * AOL First time? A confirmation email will be sent to you after submitting. 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