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  Beck, 17 Dec 2004 @ 11:12am

  
  

  CD Tax

  If Canadians are paying a fee when they purchase blank CDs - to cover unauthorized music copying - then is it OK to make copies of music?

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    Mike (profile), 17 Dec 2004 @ 11:23am

    
    

    Re: CD Tax

    Actually, we mentioned that before... it seems that the Canadian rulings have suggested that it is legal to download music. It is not, however, legal to upload music. However, as you might imagine, not everyone agrees with that...

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      thecaptain, 17 Dec 2004 @ 12:12pm

      
      

      Re: CD Tax

      Yeah, basically they use this example in their brochures (and I think there's a government website also).
      
      If I lend you a CD and you make a copy of it for yourself, this is legal.
      
      If I make you a copy of the CD and give it to you, this is not legal (viewed as distribution of a copywrited work).
      
      The decision on whether music downloads were legal were seen in this light. Ie: If you download something...it is the same as borrowing it and making a copy for yourself.
      
      I'm not sure if anything was stated about making your collection available to P2P networks...since you aren't "uploading"...rather you are letting people download from you.

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        Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2004 @ 1:51pm

        
        

        Re: CD Tax

        The CD tax is the main reason that CIRA (the Canadian equivilent of RIAA) can't sue file sharers. We have effectively paid the fine before doing the crime.

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2004 @ 8:12pm

    
    

    Re: CD Tax

    Yes. That's the express, intended purpose for the CPCC levy. Notice that I'm paying the recording industry every time I backup my hard drive, however, and imagine my frustration as somebody affected by those fucking CRIA putzes.

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  dorpus, 17 Dec 2004 @ 2:21pm

  
  

  The real picture

  Canada is a constitutional confederacy designed by American politicians from the South in the wake of the Civil War. The confederacy has a weak federal government that is desperate for tax revenues, so it will set up strange, unpopular taxes. At the same time, the country has a government-subsidized entertainment industry, making strange mediocre works, to prevent citizens from listening to too much American music and turning into Americans. Canadian politicians have an interest in setting up systematic biases against Hollywood. Thus, Canadian actions should be judged relative to this political background; they are not acting with libertarian values in mind, as American techies may fantasize.
  

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2004 @ 4:09pm

    
    

    Re: The real picture

    Worst troll ever.

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      dorpus, 17 Dec 2004 @ 5:52pm

      
      

      Re: The real picture

      Did you read Canadian newspapers when the CD tax was enacted? They talked about Uncle Ottawa coming to the dinner table, helping himself to servings, and letting out a big burp.
      
      Canada's provinces have their own "premiers", so they are run essentially like independent countries. Store shelves have quotas for what portion of products are supposed to come from what provinces, so the American products that sell better tend to empty out quick. If you missed the show, then you go on your big shopping trip south of the border to load up on light bulbs, toilet paper, toothpaste, clothes, and whatever else you need.
      

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        thecaptain, 20 Dec 2004 @ 5:49am

        
        

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        "Store shelves have quotas for what portion of products are supposed to come from what provinces, so the American products that sell better tend to empty out quick. If you missed the show, then you go on your big shopping trip south of the border to load up on light bulbs, toilet paper, toothpaste, clothes, and whatever else you need."
        
        Now where oh WHERE did your active imagination get THAT ridiculous idea?

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    Mark Fox, 20 Dec 2004 @ 9:42am

    
    

    Re: The real picture

    Canada is a constitutional confederacy designed by American politicians from the South in the wake of the Civil War. The confederacy has a weak federal government that is desperate for tax revenues, so it will set up strange, unpopular taxes.
    This isn't correct. In Canada all powers not listed in the Constitution go to the federal government, which is the opposite of the US. As a result the provinces have to go to the federal government to get enough money to run their programs. As for Southern politicians setting up Canada I never heard of that - several conferences took place prior to the 1860's on setting up Canada.
    The digital media levy is a poorly designed payout to the Canadian music industry and nothing to due with government tax policy.
    

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