HP Accused Of Expiring Ink Cartridges
from the must-use-by... dept
What is it with printer manufacturers and their increasingly sophisticated means of screwing over the customers who buy ink from them? Even going beyond various attempts at using technology to block out competition, printer makers have long been accused of having their printers claim a cartridge is empty when it's still 25% full. However, some consumers are claiming that HP goes a step further, and includes a "must use by" date encoded in the chip in their ink cartridges, meaning that if you don't use the ink by a certain date, no HP printer will let you use it any more. It's not clear if the complaint focuses on the fact that this exists at all, or (more reasonably) that the expiration date isn't given to consumers. HP's defense, of course, will most likely be to point out that older cartridges may clog up, causing damage to the printers. Which may, in fact, be true. However, without telling the buyer that the cartridge expires, they may have opened themselves up to trouble, as many people will assume the cartridges will remain good.
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False Advertising
I've bought several cartridges when on sale ( to save a little $$$ ) and think that if these things expire then that needs to be clearly stated.
To use technology to disable a product for which you purchase under the assumption that it will function as implied is criminal.
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and i really needed it and cant get to the store for another one. now tell me what i should do
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HP Cartridge harming printer
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HP G85 stored for months
Pulled it out of storage, set it up, printed a test page ... and it worked flawlessly.
Yeah sure - "They go bad". Maybe I was just lucky, but then I haven't had any real luck in years.
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No Subject Given
Did this woman crack open a cartridge and watch how much ink spilled out in numerous test cases? Did she bother to check the nozzels to see if they were clogged? I doubt this case will get anywhere.
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this is true...
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Also, MUCH MORE reasonably priced.
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True for Cartridge Type 10 and 11 - and a workarou
The good news is that if you disconnect the lithim battery inside the printer for a moment AND set the PC clock back, then the cartridges print just fine.
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Re: True for Cartridge Type 10 and 11 - and a work
I have a Ink Expired display and it will not reset.
Help
and Thanks
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Printer ink cartridge conspiracy
Don't focus on the ink cartridge, focus on the fact HP, and other printer manufacturers, stop your printer from working, because of some silly game they are playing of cheating customers before the ink runs out, or wrong ink standards, or what-ever. I say, go ahead send these stupid messages, but don't stop my printer from working. This is anti-competitive, and in violation of anti-trust laws.
To be perfectly clear
Hewlett Packard recycles their ink cartridges by promoting that HP cartridges be returned for recycling, using a self addressed, stamped envelope. Allowing HP, through their “refurbishing and reselling” effort to conserve resources, using the various recycling facilities of manufacturers around the world contracted by HP. Thus, the mere fact that there also are other recyclers available to refurbish, and recycle ink cartridges, but except for lower cost, and the free choice of the consumer, HP has restricted the consumer the full use, and the operation of HP printers.
Smith and Roberson’s Business Law, ninth edition. West Publishing. Chapter 43; ANTITRUST.
“Characterizing a type of restraint as per se illegal therefore has a significant effect on the prosecution of an antitrust suit. In such a case, the plaintiff need only show that the type of restraint occurred, she does not need to prove that the restraint limited competition.....Tying arrangements. A tying arrangement occurs when the seller of a product, service, or intangible (the "tying" product) conditions its sale on the buyers purchasing a second product, service, or intangible (the "tied" product) from the seller....Because tying arrangements limit buyers' freedom of choice and may exclude competitors, the law closely scrutinizes such agreements.”
Hewlett Packard has, unbeknownst to customers who purchased HP printers (tying product), tied as a condition, the purchase of new HP ink cartridges (tied product), or HP recycled ink cartridges, through the use illegal anti-competitive consumer practices.
After all, what are we talking about, it's a ball point pen refill morphed into a printer ink cartridge. It’s a recycled auto part! Again, I say Hewlett Packard, and the rest of the conspirators, play your silly games by cheating consumers on ink cost, and supplies. I say go ahead! But don’t stop me from the use of my printer.
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Re: Printer ink cartridge conspiracy
I should be able to use what I want, NOT what HP dicates. Thank you for any assistance. I have a HP Oficejet J648 All in one printer. Janet
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Re: Printer ink cartridge conspiracy
I purchased a HP Envy 4507 earlier this year for use at the museum. Now because of our refurb, I decided to take it home to print out some new information cards. SO, I get it home, set it all up - wireless now - no messy cables running everywhere, and as soon as it goes online to set itself up it goes into shutdown mode because of a £7.99 missed payment on our ink cartridge payment plan. Long story Short - I have spent the last 24 hours trying to get HP to take a damn payment from a card (which DOES have funds on it before anyone asks), and no joy - their call centre (Yes you guessed it - somewhere in bloody India) are utterly hopeless. They can take a card payment which takes them 24 hours to process! SO thats now 48 hours that the printer has been locked.
And you know what really gets my goat? What REALLY gets me angry? What ABSOLUTELY gets me seething with rage? It's this interfering "Big Brother" approach where HP can now totally lock up your printer and prevent you using it. I paid £80 for this thing to then have some remote program shut the thing down and prevent me using it???
How VERY dare they! Who DO they think they are that they can treat customers like this!
BOTTOM LINE
If you are tempted by the monthly ink packages that HP are pushing (As I was) BEWARE THIS FACT - miss ONE payment, and they WILL and CAN lock up your printer and prevent you using it.
If I had the cash I would get a bloody lawyer onto it and sue their ass.
PLEASE PASS THIS ON AND MAKE EVERYONE AWARE OF THIS STING
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HP Ink Cartridges
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Re: HP Ink Cartridges
So, if you you don't like the way HP does business, buy from their competitors and leave Congress to do what they do best: Tax and Spend...
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Yes, join the fight!!!
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Amen!
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Expired Ink cartridge
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Look at this website and you should be able to find the battery. http://www.land.netonecom.net/tlp/ref/letters/hpPrinters.php It looks like a normal CMOS battery from a PC.
Get a small flashlight and a small mirror if you can't find it easily. Good luck.
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remove the CMOS battery
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remove bottom of good cartridge, put on old
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I had an in-date cartridge that was out of ink and an expired cartridge that was full. I switched the bottom panel of the cartridges (just trim the labels and pull off the whole bottom plastic piece) and I could print again.
Thank you!
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hp 8250 expired ink fix
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Not sure how you found that %$#&* battery, but I am sure glad you did.
I followed your procedure except I did not bother to put the battery back in! It is working great with NO messages!!!
I can now use the expired black cartridge I bought about a month ago, AND IT IS ALREADY EXPIRED!!! %$#^& HP. You fixed them!!! I sure hope that law suit goes through.
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satisfied.:)
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EXpiration Early inl cartages
John A.
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My Letter to HP President and CEO Mark Hurd
While I do not expect that this concern will be corrected, I feel that I must join the many to issue this complaint. This is regarding the built in product obsolescence into your ink cartridges. I personally have had to discard 2 sets of perfectly good ink cartridges (over 50% full) because they expired. I did not realize what was happening until the second set gave me the same error message "ink cartridge installed is not the correct one for this printer", or something along those lines. The product does not even tell you, I'm expired. I searched why do ink cartridges expire and found multiple rants about your company and a few others as well. I cannot believe that you think such a business practice will allow your company to remain successful into the future. I have reinstalled my old printer, which uses ink cartridges until they are low in ink or have no ink remaining. This product is an older Lexmark. It does not accept camera cards but I can load my pictures through the USB cable and the camera itself. I am very disappointed in my HP product and do not expect I will ever purchase HP again.
I am a business major (currently in school) and I work fulltime. I cannot afford to continue to buy ink cartridges when it is not necessary to do so. I know from my business classes that what you are doing is wrong and will hurt your business in the long run. It ruins your reputation and product image. HP is a money hungry, poor quality, worthless corporation. This is the image you now portray.
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Re: My Letter to HP President and CEO Mark Hurd
I will never buy another HP product again and will spread the word of what they are doing. This is nothing more than restraint of trade and unconscionable! Count me in on any class action lawsuit. This has gotten to the point of absurdity.
It's bad enough that they put sentinel chips in the cartridges for no reason other than stopping us from refilling them. If we bought it, we have the right to damage it well after the 3 month HP Warrantee. HP is a latter day Big Brother. And worse, they decide when the ink expires? This is nothing more than a scam to suck money out of the consumer's pockets without conscience or regard.
What needs to happen is that this has to get out en masse and people need to blackball HP. The only thing they understand is feeding the greed. The only way to stop this is to find printer manufacturers that allow for refills and support them while getting the word out about HP's horrendous practice of sucking the consumer's blood. Let them lose market share and you'll see how fast these refill halting chips and these bogus expiration dates go away. HP stands for Hypocritical Pirates.
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This information may help some other people since I suspect many with this problem were sold expired ink in the first place since we didn't even think to look for an expiration date and we did not know our printers would stop using them.
HP is VERY VERY scammy and somewhere in the last few years we have lost any checks and balances we had in consumer protection. It is a sin that even though a lawsuit was wont on this issue, that all ripped off consumers got was a max of $6 person and I wonder if a cease and desist was ever issued.
I will Boycott all HP products when all my HP's finish dying and will stick with Canon and Epson which have been more reliable(ink still pricier than gold). Consumer reports gives too high of rating to HP printers in the most recent issue because they do not consider their ink games or their average age at death in their ratings. If people knew the truth perhaps they would make better choices. I have an old reliable Canon copier I have had for 25 years and it still works fine.
I will also say that my printer wast making great copies until it decided to scam me. There was absolutely no problem with expired ink.
Thank you for sharing how to remove the battery. Most people with the problem would be tossing it in the dumpster.
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Hewlett-Packard Rip Off
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The ink levels are shown to be low or empty without use. We typically print 40-50 pages per day using black ink only. 9 weeks after installing all new cartridges the machine says they are all running out at roughly the same time. The rub is in this time period we have not printed anything in color yet the color cartridges are said to be empty. These particular cartridges retail for $82. each. When you remove them you can shake them and feel that they are still full. The machine will shut down and not print until new cartridges are installed.
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HP run by Crooks
HP are bastards. My black cartridge is at least half full; i know this because it was last week - and because I just picked it up with my hands, shook it and can hear and feel at least half a cartridge of ink inside there. My "Supply Level" utility is claiming that my level is at 0%. That's right, it says there is nothing in the cartridge. Maybe its because it has passed its "expiry date"... I call Bullshit! And I have had the same issue with all of the other cartridges.
HP is operated by crooks.
I know it says "Ink levels are estimated" but you have got to be kidding me.
I get hassled every time I need to print and sometimes it doesn't even allow me and I have to start swearing at the machine and restart the computer and re insert the cartridges until it takes.
We as consumers should not have to find work-arounds that involve opening the lid and removing internal components, or hunting for drivers and altering them just so we can perform the most basic of functions for what we bought the printer for in the first place. PRINTING!
Suck it HP. Suck a big one. I will never buy a product from you again. Corporate scumbags.
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Here is how to bypass 1100 and 1200 HP expirations
Yes its that easy..... And it really works no damage no problems.
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This certainly has been a frustrating situation for many HP printer users.
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8250 expired ink - any legal remedy?
On a related note - this is THE LAST HP PRINTER THAT I WILL BUY. This tactic, combined w/ HP's deliberate & misleading underfilling of cartridges, their active undermining of 3rd party vendors, and their ridiculous cartridge prices, have all resulted in losing me as a customer. I doubt HP cares, but I won't be shy about voicing my experiences.
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HP policies on cartridges inexcusable
HP can take their printers and shove them.
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rip off
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Hp expiring cartridges
Recentally two of them have told me that:
"hp the ink in the following cartridges are nearing its expiration date"
What the HELL ! I do not even use HP cartridges. I have refillable cartridges that are not supposed to expire.
I use Vista Ultimate x64.
The printer works fine, for now. But has me worried. I am heavily dependant upon this series of printers.
The pencheck=0000 trick FAILED.
Tried DJK's Unplug, plug in, unplug, plug in, unplug, plug in. Trick. FAILED
Been Googling for two days. Found nothing.
Need help.
Elmbrooke@gmail.com
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Bypass hp business inkjet 1100 expired ink cartridges
I need to follow that procedure, but am not able to recall sequence of procedure to do so.
HELP!!!
prenke
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HP Photosmart 3210 bypass reset for empty cartridges
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HP Photosmart 8250 Expired Cartridge Solution
Switch On.
Message “Ink Cartridge Expired”
Press Right Arrow
Message “Attention Printer Service or Repairs Required”
Press OK Button
Message “Ink Cartridge Expired” again
Open Cover
Close Cover
Message “Replace Cartridges Soon”
Press OK Button
Works every time for me.
G Bond
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Where is the battery in the hp Photosmart C309?
This ink cartridge did not last 6 months past its expiration date!
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Either way, I am pissed. And though I have never bought knock-off recycled cartridges before, I'm damn well going to start. I don't pay top dollar for name brand stuff so HP can embed a suicide program in the product that guarantees that I will have to spend more money again soon.
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"expiring Ink Cartridge" ???
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Thanks,
noelvm
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c7250
But now I just turn it off on the computer in the HP Center when the screen pops up.
Hope this helps everyone.
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And what if you have windows 10?
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Photosmart B9180
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F*CK HP
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This is outrageous
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HP 3210 expired ink
a_katsikaris@hotmail.com
thank you and sorry for my English :)
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Of course, make sure your printer is disconnected from everything (power, usb, etc).
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HP expired ink issue
I went to print and guess what?, the ink was expired, well duh, I knew that, but it was still sealed and I was sure it was ok. So I went to U Tube with my delema and was happy to find the step by step instructions on how to remove the printers battery. This worked and I printed beautiful photos and was able to print documents once again ! It has been about 2 months and the ink levels are still nearly full. however I am now getting the "ink cartridge failure" and HP is once again in cntrol of my means to make money and function a busy household just because they think I
have nothing else to do but give thim money or waste time figuring out how to trick my printer into doing its job!
Any ideas for a second fix? I tried a restore back to when it was working, maybe putting tape over the chipset?
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HP ripoff
Soon after I began to receive the messages of ink out of date and cartridge is out of ink, the all 12 of them one after another.
To my dismay, I found out that HP had been doing that on purpouse since 2001 in order to make money selling their ink cartridges not only in my models but in others as well.
Now, about three months ago, I received a notification that they have a Class action sue against them for these reasons and had settled out of court.
Well, I don't know who was involved in that, because all they are going to do is send you cupons to buy their own cartridges again (that will end up having the same problems again since they had refused to modify the software that goes into these machines),that by the way had mostly end up in the trash like my two units because it is plain and simply imposible to pay for the cost of continuosly buying their cartridges.
I really don't know who in that company came up with such idea of making money, because now that the news are out, HP is not only not selling their printers, but also their computers and monitors, and as far as I am concern, at soon as I see the HP logo on any product, I walk away as fast and as far as I possible can.
At least Toyota got in to problems by accident, but HP di it intencionally.
Nice going guys.
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HP 3310 repair
C3210, C3310, C5180, C5183, C6150, C6180, C6188, C6288, C6288, C7160, C7180, C7268, C7280, C7360, C8250, D7460 and all other Photosmart fixed inkjet head printers
This printer has six colors and no less than 12 inkjets, two for every color. A Fine inkjet for printing fonts and a wide inkjet for larger areas such as pictures and graphics. Each inkjet is made up of several lines or vents.
Note, Black Fonts use only black ink, Black graphics use a conbination of magenta, blue, yellow and black.
Troubleshooting:
1. Press * and # at the same time, and then release both keys. This will open the Mfg Commands Menu and say; �Enter Special Key Combo�.
2. Press 123. "Support R0045" will apear.
3. Press Right Arrow Cursor button: (uiaux Menu)
Once for: Information Menu > Info menu
Twice for: FAX Diag Menu > Run FAX Test > Reset FAX Params > Change FAX Params > FAX Param Report > FAX Trace Report > Speaker Mode > Ring Monitor > CNG Monitor > Signal Monitor.... Repeat.
Three Times: Print Tests Menu > Nozzle Test. Pressing OK gets you this:
http://forum.naddabiz.com/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=269
4. Press OK on one of the three Service Menus.
5. Press CANCEL several times to back your way out as needed or until the normal screen appear.
LCD Screen & Cursor Test
Play Pong Game:
1. Press * and # at the same time, and then release both keys.
2. The display should read �Enter Special Key Combo�. Press 7664.
3. A yellow paddle appears. It moves only Horizontally using the right & Left Cursor Keys.
4. Press OK to pitch ball.
5. Press Cancel to exit.
Extended Self Diagnostic Test
1. Press OK & Cancel Button simultanously
Semi-full reset
This will reset the All-in-One to the factory default settings by using these instructions:
1. Unplug the power cable from printer while the printer is powered on.
2. Press and hold Plus (#) and 6 while plugging in the power cord.
3. Repeat steps one and Two, Two more times for a total of three times.
This will perform a maintenance cycle upon the third restart.
Now you may want to print a self test report by pressing "Setup" and then 1, then 1 again. or Clean the heads by Pressing Setup > 5 > 2
OOB NVRAM RESET (Remove Air in Hydrolic lines)
1. Turn Power off using power button.
2. Hold down the CANCEL & OK buttons & keep them held while powering on the printer.
Keep them held till the printer shuts itself back off. (It will shut off without you hitting the on/off button.)
3. Then power it back up normally by hitting the on/off button. It will warm up normally except it will display a message "OOB NVRAM RESET" & it will then do about 3 minutes of priming & pumping up the ink in the tubes that run from the cartridges to the print head.
4. You then can run a test print in the tools section.
YOU MAY HAVE TO DO THIS PROCEEDURE AS MANY AS 6 TIMES. IT WILL EVENTUALLY GET ALL AIR BUBBLES OUT OF THE SYSTEM.
Semi NVM Reset
1. Unplug the power cable from printer while the printer is powered on.
2. Press and hold the (#) and 6 buttons while plugging in the power cord and keep both buttons depressed for at least five seconds.
3. Printer will shut off
4. Press Power on and unit will begin the Semi NVM reset.
The unit will clean its heads and the pump will cycle several times to prime the hydrilic lines and purge out any air.
Then a Maintaince cycle will begin.
Burping method
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-printing-questions/HP-Photosmart-C7280-Black-Ink-won-t-pr int/m-p/397781#M26999
Complaints
http://h30434.www3.hp.com/t5/Other-printing-questions/HP-Phot osmart-C7280-Black-Ink-won-t-print/td-p/2157
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CP1700
I tried setting the date back on the PC BIOS as some suggest here. My advice is DONT, at least not with Linux. I knew that the PC would have reset itself anyway as they get their date from the Internet these days, but I tried anyway and Linux freaked out. It reported some file dates were in the future, decided that my file system must be corrupted, and dropped me into command line recovery mode. I restored the true date but I still had to to "repair" the file system with fsck before I could return to normal. I am guessing that a modern version of Windows would react similarly.
Then I tried the "momentary" battery disconnect with a slip of plastic, and that did not work. Disconnecting it for an hour did however, getting rid of the "Expired Cartridges" message. But my network print server (HP JetDirect 300X) also seemed upset by now, maybe by the date trick, and I had to reset that too. Btw, you won't reach that battery without taking off the left panel unless you have exceptionally thin hands.
An afternoon wasted, thanks HP, but at least �100 saved.
Three years ago Mac wrote :-
We've got too much government as it is; the last thing we need is more. The power to fix this problem lies in the hands of the consumer. If people quit buying HP products, HP will have to change in order to remain competitive. That's how a free market economy works. So, if you you don't like the way HP does business, buy from their competitors and leave Congress to do what they do best: Tax and Spend...
Well the "free market" hasn't worked. has it? Choosing a printer is not as simple as that, there are many factors. I bought HP because they do the best drivers for Linux, and some other makes and models would not work for me at all. If I refused to buy things because something about them p$$es me off, I would never buy anything. Anyway, I was unaware of this scam by HP when I bought, as would most people probably - unless they are techies who read web sites like this one.
And a scam pure and simple by HP is what this is. It would be like Ford cars stopping in their tracks after 2 years because Ford "did not want their cars to be seen to get old and tatty". Anyone who kicks HP around over this gets my approval, and that would include government. Stopping dishonest scams is indeed a job for governments IMHO, as is stopping theft (which is not much different) - or at least trying to.
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HP 3210 Printer - How to print with expired cartridges
Color, Black, Reset, and OK.
Now press the "OFF" button wait for the printer to shut off and then turn it back "ON"
When you print, the printer will put the expired cartridge message. Press ">" ignore the warning, and Press "OK"
Go ahead and print all you want....
You will have to start the process over when you unplug power from your printer.....
Thanks to the Don in MI, who wrote about this, he deserves the credit for this find. HP will not tell us how to do this. Boycott HP!!!
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Re: HP 3210 Printer - How to print with expired cartridges
Press 4 buttons at the same time... (With your right hand)
Color, Black, Reset, and OK.
Now press the "OFF" button wait for the printer to shut off and then turn it back "ON"
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HP inl cartridge still 3/4 full
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HP not filling their ink
bought more not right half empty what's going on???
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Some HP inks expire, some don't
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Re: Some HP inks expire, some don't
http://www.hp.com/pageyield/en-019/articles/inkExpiration.html?cCode=us
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Don't Buy Chip Based Printers
I have got lot of problems with HP Printers which has lots of restruction of using their product in long period. Their products force me to buy a new one. For example you can't refill and use their Printer cartridge or Toner Cartridge. Now i am totally stop using HP based products and I am happy now. I am now using products of other brands which is working good for me. It is good not to use chip based products.
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How much ink?
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Ink Cartridge Scam!!
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It was changed a year ago today 11-09-2010 and today we have used only 83%. The only solution is to change the ink tank.
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Expired print head
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Stupid and Greedy HP
So how do I print the thing I need tomorrow morning? My ink has not expired yet, why should it stuck here? Tell me! Stupid and greedy HP! I will never ever by another HP printer in my life time!
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HP tieving thru INK indication manipulation
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Printer Ink - Yes they Do - Issue an Expiration
$7.50 - $9.00 - are Now $24.00 - $36.00 & UP !
I heard Ford & Chevy - will do the same thing , Sorry You
have had Your Automobile to Long - which means
1. Your Insurance Co - will have to give You a Fat Discount !
2. You won't be generating Sales Tax - Oooopps !
3. You might save to much money,and won't be easy to Control. It all a Big Communist Plot - They are a Bunch of M.F.'s
Really Go back to the Cheapo Shock absorbers, Cheap Brake Pads , No Rust Proofing , Soft Windshields , Cheap paint
Now it's Computers that say You must Pay More - to have Your Codes Read , You Must Pay More to have Your Tires Changes ( Air Pressure Sensor ) especially If You change Rims - OMG $24.95 for a Seal Kit which is for 1 Rim !
HHhhhaaaaa ! WTF !
Fuel Pressure sensors that cost $139.00 - Last I Knew
these Sensors were like $3.95 as Electronics - Prices have all come Down !
It's all a Bunch of BS - just to generate Money and Jobs !
They better Figure a way to generate Money from building
Huge Water Purification Plants .
Keeping Our Salmon 12 million from going to Japanese Boats
that's why only 3 million came back !
Plus I have another 42 Reasons !
That these Congress and Senators-should all get Pissed ON !___!!__!!____!!)________!!
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Printer Ink - Yes they Do - Issue an Expiration
$7.50 - $9.00 - are Now $24.00 - $36.00 & UP !
I heard Ford & Chevy - will do the same thing , Sorry You
have had Your Automobile to Long - which means
1. Your Insurance Co - will have to give You a Fat Discount !
2. You won't be generating Sales Tax - Oooopps !
3. You might save to much money,and won't be easy to Control. It all a Big Communist Plot - They are a Bunch of M.F.'s
Really Go back to the Cheapo Shock absorbers, Cheap Brake Pads , No Rust Proofing , Soft Windshields , Cheap paint
Now it's Computers that say You must Pay More - to have Your Codes Read , You Must Pay More to have Your Tires Changes ( Air Pressure Sensor ) especially If You change Rims - OMG $24.95 for a Seal Kit which is for 1 Rim !
HHhhhaaaaa ! WTF !
Fuel Pressure sensors that cost $139.00 - Last I Knew
these Sensors were like $3.95 as Electronics - Prices have all come Down !
It's all a Bunch of BS - just to generate Money and Jobs !
They better Figure a way to generate Money from building
Huge Water Purification Plants .
Keeping Our Salmon 12 million from going to Japanese Boats
that's why only 3 million came back !
Plus I have another 42 Reasons !
That these Congress and Senators-should all get Pissed ON !___!!__!!____!!)________!!
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Re: Printer Ink - Yes they Do - Issue an Expiration
more like a facist plot. hp is a big ALEC supporter. just another TOO big, TOO powerful corporation BUYING more power from our "FOR SALE TO THE HIGHEST BIDDER" government.
this is fraud, plain and simple, and as long as there are laws that protect hp from me steali8ng their ink cartridges, it's only fair and just that congress pass laws to protect us; the consauner from fradulant practices such as this. i never knew anything about this until today. i have trashed 2 probablly good printers because of this. i went with cannon this time, but our new printer at work is having this same problem. i personally won't buy another hp product. they are crooks in my book.
that's american free market capitalism for ya. if we, the people do it, it's fraud, it's stealing, but if corporations like hp do it, it's business, it's free markets.
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I have been able to refill - but Once the date expires !
Screwed - sure seems there should be something We Consumers should be able to do Like take HP to Court !
I mean is Ford telling Us all we must Use BP - Oil Products Only or Our Car will Stop to Function ?
REALLY ? / It's all Out of Control !
Windows & Mac's Oh It the New Operating system , and Bam
Time for a New Operating system ,and Oh Version 1 & 2 Will
Not Be Supported any Longer !
Windows 95 was Supported for How many Years ?
Till 2005 - like 10 yrs. - Now It's like 10 months and It time for a New System !
LOL - when I retire , No Computer , No Cell Phone , If Possible NO Car !
Hell It's Time for NO Insurance - they just take away Items from - Company Plans every Yr. - use to be every 3 yrs. - Now It's every yr. -Pretty Soon- Be No Sense in having a Plan !
I Believe the older Generation has just declared War !
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I have been able to refill - but Once the date expires !
Screwed - sure seems there should be something We Consumers should be able to do Like take HP to Court !
I mean is Ford telling Us all we must Use BP - Oil Products Only or Our Car will Stop to Function ?
REALLY ? / It's all Out of Control !
Windows & Mac's Oh It the New Operating system , and Bam
Time for a New Operating system ,and Oh Version 1 & 2 Will
Not Be Supported any Longer !
Windows 95 was Supported for How many Years ?
Till 2005 - like 10 yrs. - Now It's like 10 months and It time for a New System !
LOL - when I retire , No Computer , No Cell Phone , If Possible NO Car !
Hell It's Time for NO Insurance - they just take away Items from - Company Plans every Yr. - use to be every 3 yrs. - Now It's every yr. -Pretty Soon- Be No Sense in having a Plan !
I Believe the older Generation has just declared War !
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I have been able to refill - but Once the date expires !
Screwed - sure seems there should be something We Consumers should be able to do Like take HP to Court !
I mean is Ford telling Us all we must Use BP - Oil Products Only or Our Car will Stop to Function ?
REALLY ? / It's all Out of Control !
Windows & Mac's Oh It the New Operating system , and Bam
Time for a New Operating system ,and Oh Version 1 & 2 Will
Not Be Supported any Longer !
Windows 95 was Supported for How many Years ?
Till 2005 - like 10 yrs. - Now It's like 10 months and It time for a New System !
LOL - when I retire , No Computer , No Cell Phone , If Possible NO Car !
Hell It's Time for NO Insurance - they just take away Items from - Company Plans every Yr. - use to be every 3 yrs. - Now It's every yr. -Pretty Soon- Be No Sense in having a Plan !
I Believe the older Generation has just declared War !
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Reset your Printer to Print expired cartridges...
Press 4 buttons at the same time... (With your right hand)
Color, Black, Reset, and OK.
Now press the "OFF" button wait for the printer to shut off and then turn it back "ON"
When you print, the printer will put the expired cartridge message. Press ">" ignore the warning, and Press "OK"
Go ahead and print all you want....
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expired cartridges
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Scam on cartridges installed in computer
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Not just a calendar thing
Having said that, I don't print a lot and this printer has been fairly problematic over the years. Less so than other brands I've tried, but about par for HP. My guess is that it's just in their interest to allow the ink to clot up after a while. It's confusing because touching a tissue to the print head seems to show plenty of ink coming out, but I'm guessing the ink has actually changed its consistency enough so that the printer thinks it's dry. Perhaps there is a temperature-related aspect, too.
If you want to put it in more polite terms, why should HP try to make print heads that last a long time even if you only print a little? They just optimize for the needs of most of their customers, and you can always 'restore' the printer with a new print cartridge since that includes a new print head.
Yeah, I feel a bit swindled with ink that I didn't use, and I wish they sold an even smaller cartridge for my case, but it's still better to spend $30 for a new cartridge than much more for a new printer--except that the new printer would have various new features.
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Re: Not just a calendar thing
Armed with this new information, I returned to the HP website. That was actually kind of unpleasant because of the language issues, but I don't want to make a big issue of it because when I finally managed to find the right phone number and received the return call from the right person, they quickly agreed to replace the ink cartridge. It hasn't arrived yet, but I'm confident it will soon. The policy of quickly standing behind their warranty actually makes a lot of sense, though I still think they could do a bit better--except that it seems they have now gone the other route...
He told me that the ink cartridges for their their new printers no longer integrate the print head. I actually think this is a bad decision for the consumers, but probably more profitable for HP. I guess I'll have to rest content as a HP shareholder, and just mask my consumer-level dissatisfaction behind the replacement ink cartridge.
Still, on balance I have to give kudos to HP on this one. Not sure if I'll have to buy another printer given how rarely I need to print these years, but I'll probably go with HP if it happens. (Don't get me started on my evil experiences with printers...)
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nice try, HP
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HP OJP L7580 has expiry lock too
since i regret been landed with HP OJP L7580 for past years with this problem.
Yes, i will find it difficult to trust HP since this was not told to me while buying.
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Should close out my relatively happy story
I offer my poor joke about how all printers after Benjamin Franklin are the spawn of Satan, and their only goal is to mangle and ruin as much paper as possible. Having said that, I basically think that HP is the best of the troubled lot. My own personal experience with printers has been kind of limited to three or four brands over 30+ years, but there was a period when I was in sales in a computer store, and I collected lots of stories from my customers, so I feel like I have a pretty broad view. In conclusion, I feel the printers have mostly gotten less evil over the years, and HP deserves a lot of credit for the inkjet technology that brought color printing to the masses.
Having said that, I doubt I'll refill this particular HP again, so I'll be shopping for a new one when it dies, and support for extremely low-volume printing will be a feature that I'll be searching for.
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HP 3300
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I"ll never ever buy another hp printer
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Deplited ink message
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HP8500A
There are 4 ink cartridges HP940XK in the printer and two printheads each dealing with 2 of the 4 coloured inks.
Presumably, if you installed a cartridge a few months before it expires, it will continue to work after it expires? Or am I wrong about that?
Thank you for any advice.
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HP Photosmart 6520
Damn HP
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Re: HP OfficeJet7700 Series
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Been an HP longtime advocate, Convergent Technology engineer (and even cert. HP tech) but after the royal ordeal I just had regarding the HP short-lived/high-cost ink and billable In-Warranty support web-chat/voice-prompt loop nightmare and how the printer drive utility first asked if I wanted to print in B&W after the one color cartridge emptied but only �one time� and now refusing to allow me to print in B&W text � I�ve had-it!
As a Convergent Technology integrator/engineer, the day a device takes the human completely out of the decision process, is the day the device dies.
Time to demo other vendors.
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Battery is problem with HP OfficeJet Pro L7650 and the expired cartridges problem
I finally located the CR2032 3v button battery. It was a real pain to remove. I don't recommend trying unless you're hardware savvy. The battery is behind the PCBoard under the RHS lower cover (facing toward the inside of the machine). It is very hard to get at and there is the possibility of breaking your machine.
This requires a Torx screwdriver set (like Allen keys but with a six pointed star shaped head).
I've left my battery out and the printer seems to work fine without it.
To reassemble you just have to reverse the dis-assembly. I found the PCBoard really difficult to get back into place. Be gentle and patient -- you don't want to damage the board. One of the ribbon cables had a tiny(3/4" x 3/32") hinged black clamp piece which fall off but is easy to replace (comb side towards socket, clicks on).
Good Luck!
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HP instant ink program ripping me off
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DID HP SELL ME OR RENT ME THE PRINTER????
it's true, the don't allow to print. i buy an hp desingjet 110, it cost me US$ 2,225.00. it's not cheap. i have to change the ink cartridge when it already have ink, but worst it have four ink-head, that i have to change because they are old!!!. so i buy this 4 head print and the 4 ink cartridge, each one $35, but they have been manufacture a years ago, one year after i spend almost $200, the print head red and blue are failing. my question is:
DID HP SELL ME OR RENT ME THE PRINTER????
i pay my money and i'm not printing. i never buy another hp product ever again. by the way may sister buy two hp laptos, they never fail, they only broke the power cord and the plug for the power cord * wich she repears several times until she get tired.
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hp fraud
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Re: hp fraud
As the updates will disable any remanufactured cartridge you try to use. There's something about this that seems criminal.
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Re: Re: hp fraud
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WHEN they SHOW you how bad they've been DORKING you!
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HP Envy printers
PLUS: it constantly communicates with HP servers WITHOUT your permission or knowledge.
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HP is a Criminal Enterprise
I have (2) college degrees with Honors (one in Mechanical Engineering); have been an Engineer and Product manager for (4) tech companies in Silicon Valley over 20 years; and have traveled extensively in 25+ countries as part of my work.
I am ashamed that HP is an American company.
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HP Photosmart D7460 Locked up by NEW "Expiered" Cartridges
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Cartridges are programmed to expire
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HP cartridges
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HP photosmart C7250
So my father gave me this printer and I bought a set of refillable ink cartridges so when I remove the cartridges and refill them the ink level resets. This is great right but I think either the firmware in the printer or the software has reported that these ink cartridges are now expired it even rendered my main cartridge useless. The black one controls the set without it all colours go down and you can use it alone becasue it somehow controls the other cartridges that's what I mean when I say my main cartridge. In any case with this printer, you can choose to print with these out of date cartridges, you have to do it at the printer. If the power goes out or it's unplugged you have to do it again. All you do is press ok and confirm that you will take respaoblilty for any damage the experied ink may cause then it lets me print.
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