On Second Thought... Microsoft Says To Write Down Your Passwords

from the tradeoffs dept

For years we've all been told never to write down your passwords, for the obvious reason that writing them down makes it easier for someone to come by your desk and find out how to login as you. However, a security program manager at Microsoft is now telling people that writing down passwords is a good thing, as it means people are less likely to simply use the same password for everything. This is true, but it's really just a question of tradeoffs. Unfortunately, though, those who build systems always assume (falsely) that there are no unintended consequences of forcing people to use "secure" passwords. I recently started using a system that is so complex, that it'll almost never be used. It needs a "group ID" and a "group password" along with a "user ID" and "user password." All four need to be entered every time you login. The group ID and group password are assigned -- and you can't change them. They emailed the group ID, but you had to call to get the group password, which is an impossibly complex combination of letters and numbers, where the only possible way to remember it is to write it down. Meanwhile, you could pick your own user password, but the conditions made it difficult to remember. It needed to be over 8 characters, and aside from requiring both a number and a letter, it needed to include "something else" -- such as a punctuation mark. While this seems like it might be "good security," it pretty much guarantees that this particular application is mostly useless -- or that anyone who uses it will write everything down together, defeating the purpose of such high levels of security.
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  • identicon
    wraith, 23 May 2005 @ 1:34pm

    Passwords

    This is exactly why I use password managers for everything I do...now I don't exactly have private material that I don't want anyone to view, however I do want to make it harder for hackers to gain my password.

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      www.mygadgetbag.com, 23 May 2005 @ 3:08pm

      Re: Passwords

      I just typically use about 4 passwords, and remember the combinations I've used them. If I get it wrong the first time, I will almost always get the right password the second time.

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 May 2005 @ 5:05pm

    No Subject Given

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    Anonymous Coward, 23 May 2005 @ 5:23pm

    Keep them in your wallet

    Keep them on a laminated card in your wallet: about as secure as your driver's license or social security card ID numbers. Replace them every so often.

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      Anonymous Coward, 23 May 2005 @ 6:51pm

      Re: Keep them in your wallet

      Yah� unfortunately as soon as RFID tags get put on our ID cards, someone sitting on the sidewalk with a reader, snatching the info of every person who walks past who has a card in his / her wallet, will make the issue of password security mostly irrelevant.

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    M. Brubeck, 23 May 2005 @ 7:58pm

    No Subject Given

    Bruce Schneier also says to pick a good password and write it down. He recommends the written-down password in a relatively guarded place, like your wallet.

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    blorpus, 23 May 2005 @ 10:23pm

    simple solution

    I use "dorpus" for all my passwords.

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  • identicon
    Ivan Sick, 24 May 2005 @ 5:20am

    No Subject Given

    The whole "Don't write your password" concept is no longer valid, if you ask me. Gone are the days of physical computer break-ins. Maybe CIA employees shouldn't write 'em down, but the rest of us are pretty OK (unless someone you know personally, and come into physical proximity with them in the same room where you keep those passwords has some kind of vendetta.)

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    Anonymous Coward, 24 May 2005 @ 5:48am

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    I have hundreds of unique passwords, all generated by a simple approach: some 2-3 letter combination that abbreviates the site name (say, WSJ) and then a code word. The combination is long and should it be grabbed by a baddie, it isn't apparent that it is a code (you'd have to grab 2 passwords to see that pattern).

    Using a number for each site, rather than letters would help make it even more secure.

    I use a different code word for commerce sites than for regular sites, and occasionally throw a number on the end, but these things stretch the memory a bit. The basic approach works well.

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    Rev, 19 Dec 2006 @ 2:12pm

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    Four combinations? Get the @$@% out of here.

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