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  Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2005 @ 5:49pm

  
  

  No Subject Given

  Looks like now would be a good time to grab yourself a PCI TVtuner if you dont already have one.

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  ROD Taylor, 16 Dec 2005 @ 5:55pm

  
  

  Movie Business

  I live and work in "Hollywood." Don't you know that a corillary of liberal, ie. fascist politics is a desire to control everything, which is one important reason that most movies are terrible today and Hollywood is in decline. Who but the so called liberals voted the Kelo decision in the Supreme Court? Who sees the UN with its designs on "internet governance" as a good thing? Who wants to use the MCCain/Feingold bill to stop the bloggers? Who but our good and liberal Hollywood fascists. It's not just about the money. It's about the power. The don't like God because they want to be God. Death to the Hollwood Nightmare Merchants!!!

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    Brom, 16 Dec 2005 @ 10:44pm

    
    

    Re: Movie Business

    Excuse me for bringing it up, but isn't mr. Jim Sensenbrenner a Republican?

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    Alex Macfie (profile), 17 Dec 2005 @ 2:59am

    
    

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    Legislation designed to protect corporate profits against the public interest is not part of any principled "liberal" agenda that I'm aware of. Supposedly Hollywood and the media industry are politically "liberal", but at least when they lobby for the protection of their private, corporate interests they are leaving their liberal principles at home.
    
    Conservatives are supposed to be swayed by arguments about free markets and against governments picking winners, but they have a habit of suspending these principles when shown greenbacks from their corporate paymasters. They also tend to accept at face value a property-rights framing of the debate, assuming that intellectual property == physical property.

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      doubledoh, 17 Dec 2005 @ 5:38am

      
      

      Re: Movie Business

      Conservatives are supposed to be swayed by arguments about free markets and against governments picking winners, but they have a habit of suspending these principles when shown greenbacks from their corporate paymasters. They also tend to accept at face value a property-rights framing of the debate, assuming that intellectual property == physical property.
      

      
      Real "conservatives" are Libertarians. They believe the government has NO right interfering whatsoever with any market, including, but not limited to the technology market. If IP owners want to protect their "property," they are free to do so with their various DRM schemes, but they are NOT free to force any other industry (namely the hardware industry) to manufacture products that they or their consumer markets would otherwise shun.
      

      
      I think this lumping of various political ideologies is a dangerous one as well. Today's republicans are just as "liberal" as the leftists when it comes to government spending and government power expansion. Similarly, so called "liberals" have never really been about the promotion of liberty--they have been about the promotion of special interest groups that hand them their vote in exchange for money or power. If you ask me, the only difference between republicans and democrats today is abortion. Both will take all your money and spend it on whatever interest groups have the best lobbying power (right now, it looks like hollywood). True conservatives and Libertarians would never sell the people out to the rich and powerful few.

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        Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2005 @ 3:41pm

        
        

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        Since when was protection of the vested *rich* business interests anything to do with liberalism?
        
        I am writing from my observation --- that conservatives are in practice the most likely to be in the pay of business interests and so naturally will defer to them. And business is very keen on government expansion when it benefits business. But liberals do not, generally, defer to business against what they perceive to be the public interest, which means that they may support the market when business, and conservatives, do not.
        
        And FYI libertarians also have a strong copyright-is-property tendency. it's not universal, I grant you, but it's there nonetheless.

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        Alex Macfie (profile), 17 Dec 2005 @ 3:54pm

        
        

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        Remember that liberals are naturally suspicious of private monopoly and coroporate power, while conservatives tend to be in the pay of such interests. Therefore, it is conservatives who tend to promote special interests when those special interests are private businesses.

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    Bob, 17 Dec 2005 @ 5:07am

    
    

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    I'm tired of this, this flinging of the world liberal as if it were the black death, it makes no sense and its about as dangerous as calling each other commies in the 1940s. Blaming everything on the mysterious dangerous left isn't going to get us anywhere, stop the generalizations and use some common sense. Hollywood can't control everything, not without government (Who are the politicans in power who have power?) otherwise the market should take care of Hollywood when they make bad movies.
    Though that isn't the point, the point is that business like Hollywood or anything else only have control if the government gives them that control. Enough with the fear tactics America, don't let it distract you a moment more.

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      Mawkus, 18 Dec 2005 @ 10:18am

      
      

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      The government is not meant to "give" control to anyone. Control should never be out of the hands of the citizen. That is the purpose of government. To make sure the citizens are in control.
      Liberal, conservative, doesn't matter, we are all human, we are all lyars, we all want power. It is only human.
      I leave you with a quote:
      "You (politicians) think the people of this country exist to provide you with position. I think your position exists to provide those people with freedom."

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2005 @ 6:27am

    
    

    Re: Movie Business

    Leave it to some schmuck in hollyweird to use the term facist.
    
    

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2005 @ 1:52pm

    
    

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    An odd comment. The conservative ("ie, fascist") side of things seems far more inclined to control everything. I might suggest, ignorant sir, that you do your best to put aside your personal vested interest (a presumption based on your statement that you live and work in hollywood) in the statements of the entertainment industry, and look up things like what "fascist" really means and what "liberalism" really means. You might be surprised.
    But I must agree, it is about the power (and the money that follows power) and specifically about the wishes of the entertainment industry to hold all power possible over what you see, hear and read.

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  Ashley Bowers, 16 Dec 2005 @ 9:51pm

  
  

  In no time!

  Well this will no doubt pass with all the money Hollywood has to throw at Congress they will get this passed in no time!

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    Musicalfamilytree, 16 Dec 2005 @ 10:28pm

    
    

    Maybe...

    or it might also bring down cost which would be good for the consumer.

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Dec 2005 @ 10:39pm

      
      

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      you are a tool

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  Sv, 17 Dec 2005 @ 6:54am

  
  

  No Subject Given

  Hollywood doesn't win anything. It won't reduce piracy it'll just reduce fair rights, which we already know brings sales further down.
  
  So in fact, noone wins. Ignorance wins.

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  Bob, 17 Dec 2005 @ 9:51am

  
  

  Voting

  Well then stop voting for candidates who accept corporate contributions.
  
  It continues to amaze me, the whining that goes on today about how government is bought and paid for by the corporate interests.. yet come election time the people vote for those exact 'corporate' candidates!
  
  Baffling.

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Dec 2005 @ 11:02am

    
    

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    "Well then stop voting for candidates who accept corporate contributions. It continues to amaze me, the whining that goes on today about how government is bought and paid for by the corporate interests.. yet come election time the people vote for those exact 'corporate' candidates! Baffling."

    Yet ANOTHER reason why democracy is a BAD idea.

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      Andrew Strasser, 17 Dec 2005 @ 12:37pm

      
      

      Re: Voting

      I think that just depends on who's up for election in the Democracy a lunatic or a dipshit. Which do you choose. Neither and get stuck with a lunatic that was worse than everyone thought because he really does remind you of Hitler in many ways.

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      Bob, 17 Dec 2005 @ 4:30pm

      
      

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      It may not be perfect, but it sure beats a Hilter and King George. Democracy is a good idea that the human race made more complex then it should, the ideas aren't at fault, just the people as always. Human nature states that we become greedy bastards, hateful assholes, and etc. Its not like there is a better idea, sometimes you've got to stick with what you've got and make it work.

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        Anonymous Patriot, 17 Dec 2005 @ 10:05pm

        
        

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        It may not be perfect, but it sure beats a Hilter and King George. Democracy is a good idea that the human race made more complex then it should, the ideas aren't at fault, just the people as always. Human nature states that we become greedy bastards, hateful assholes, and etc.

        Sorry "bob," I'm sticking with Plato on this one, who commented, the last time that the democracy experiment failed (for the same reasons it did this time) that Democracy is not the best form of government but it is the most mediocre, and can never rise above, nor fall below that level, which means that it is also the safest form of government � but certainly not the best. Think I�m making it up? Read �The Republic� it�s available at Gutenberg.

        But you are right Bob. The problem IS that we are humans � and as such suffer from a HUGE list of failings. If we were not human, perhaps democracy would be a great idea � but we are, so it isn�t. Look around you � is this the BEST things could be?

        You have been taught all your life that democracy was the best thing � but that doesn�t make it so. Is a vote really all that important to you? Or is there something else that is more important to you? Say, freedom?

        Most Americans don�t give enough of a shit about democracy to be bothered to exercise it (even though they will blindly tell you that they think it is deathly important) but most Americans WILL fight tooth and nail for their freedoms � as long as they are not asked to surrender them for �the children� or to the �terrorists� or the RIAA. It is a bit of a straw man to suggest that the only alternative to Democracy is Hitler. You can have freedom without democracy � just like we have democracy without freedom.

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          Andrew Strasser, 17 Dec 2005 @ 11:22pm

          
          

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          Democracy is not when you call your own people terrorists. I note this on a huge debate in the senate about weather or not all these illegal wiretaps should be allowed. Let me note for you a few of the things that some farmers have been subjected to as part of this legislation. First off there were GPS unit placed on the farmers cars and were tracked to everywhere they went and everyone they got in contact with. They had phones monitored and knew everything they said. The problem is this guy was not a terrorists he was a small time Home Grown man. Grown By Americans, Smoked by Americans. There are reasons for laws and do you waant a gps unit on your car. Or maybe satellites hovering over your every move. How much of an inch do you want to give up of your freedom.

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  giafly, 17 Dec 2005 @ 9:59am

  
  

  In other news

  ... as an antidote to US "conservatives" and "liberals" arguing about who is more fascist, in the UK the original Conservative Party has just declared itself Liberal.
  
  "There is a new home for Liberal Democrat voters - and so a real prospect of a change of government - because today we have a Conservative Party that believes passionately in green politics, that is committed to decentralisation and localism, that supports open markets, that is prepared to stand up for civil liberties and the rule of law" ... Mr Cameron went on: "So I believe it's time for Liberal Democrat voters, councillors and MPs that share these values and this agenda to come and join the new Conservative Party." - The Conservative Party
  

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    Alex Macfie (profile), 17 Dec 2005 @ 3:53pm

    
    

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    If you are British and support IP-sanity, then the Liberal Democrats are a better bet than the Tories. The LibDems are the only major UK political party with a policy on copyright, fair use and software patents, and the entertainment industry would not like it:
    
    http://www.makeitpolicy.org.uk/PP-ISociety-Copyright.html
    

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  fuzzy duck, 17 Dec 2005 @ 6:28pm

  
  

  movie biz

  do away with copyrights. if they are performers then they should perfrom on the stage just like any other worker has to on his own particular stage, be he a truck driver or a bricklayer. I think a copyright is nothing more than a huge ripoff. as for the movies let them give us a decent experience in the theater and they won't have to resort to congresssional payola.

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  the m0u53r, 18 Dec 2005 @ 5:48pm

  
  

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  Simply put as many of you have said, these measures are not going to stop illegal copying, just as creating movies and videogame systems that only look good seen on a high defenition television is not going to raise hdtv sales (at least significantly). When it comes to law and politics, common sense is not an element that graces this world with its presence. Just as the fairness of a court that lets a man free even though all evidence supports the fact that they are a murderer, but is let go on a technicality... is that common sense? No, but according to the law it is fair. Now the law will be giving the power to these companies to FAIRLY bring legal action upon anyone who infringes these new copyright laws... nonsensical, yes, unfair? Not according to the law.

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  m0u53r, 18 Dec 2005 @ 5:51pm

  
  

  politics

  Regardless of your political standing, democrat, republican, liberal, conservative, comunist, fashist, socialist, imprialist...
  when it comes to money, we are all greedy bastards.

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    i broke the copyright law dont sue me m0u53r, 18 Dec 2005 @ 5:53pm

    
    

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    and no, i didnt read the last post before writing this

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  mr. woo, 23 Jan 2006 @ 5:33pm

  
  

  dang

  our tax dollars at work. damn. glad i got my tv tunner card.

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