Someone Was Watching The Watchers... But Who Was It?
from the the-important-question dept
We've discussed in the past the idea that stopping the rise of surveillance was an impossible ideal, but that "watching the watchers" is an intriguing response instead. Alternatively known as "sousveillance" or by David Brin's "transparent society" concept, it assumes that if surveillance is going to happen, the best way to deal with it is to make it easy to watch the watchers -- thereby ensuring they're less likely to do something wrong. This idea is getting some attention again today as Bruce Schneier points to the story of some surveillance camera operators in the UK who have been punished for using the camera to spy on a naked woman in her apartment. The camera operators, and their supervisor, have now all been punished. However, what's not explained at all is how these three guys were caught. Considering the point of Schneier's post was to ask "who's watching the watchers," it appears that someone was -- as that's how they got caught. So the real question is whether or not the process that caught these guys is effective in catching more abuses -- or whether this was an outlier case, and there are plenty of other abuses that go unreported. Updated: To add to this, someone just sent me a different story about hackers being able to hack into CCTV cameras, like those used by the camera monitors above. In other words, with a little skill, it could have been just about anyone peeping into this woman's apartment.
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Re: Watching
We need FOIA for the NSA's Echelon :)
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who is going to watch the watchers watcher and there watcher? and the other watcher? o.O o.o >.> .<< br>yes i stealing Adam's joke sorta o.o
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You can bet the...
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No Subject Given
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Checks and balances.
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First rule of security
If you catch a thief in your store, you never tell them how you caught them. If they want to find out, they can take you to court.
If you catch your security personel doing things with the security cameras that they ought not do, you never tell them how you found out about it.
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Not true (or if it was the first thing you learnt, you had a very bad teacher). For example you may have seen a lot of "beware of the dog" signs. This is because it's more effective to deter would-be thieves by warning them that your property is protected by a guard dog, so they will go elsewhere, than risk them doing damage.
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Re: First rule of security
You can warn people they're being watched, but if you catch them doing something, you don't always tell them how you caught them in the act.
There may have been signs posted for perptrators, in order to deter them, but apprehending them after catching them in the act means the deterrent didn't work so well.
Threaten with a stick, hit with a bazooka. Never give up your "ace-in-the-hole".
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I think a more likely explanation is that there is a multiplexor between the camera and the video monitor(s) that can be tapped by other people--actually watching what the watchers are watching.
I think this is a pretty good system, and what you'd expect to see if the people who installed the cameras cared anything about personal privacy. I think hackles were raised when somebody glancing at a random image from one of the cameras saw that what should have been a street scene was, instead, a silent love story.
I'm not sure if the perpetrator should have been forced to sign the Sex Offender's Registry, but perhaps doing so will make the guy think twice before doing anything like that again and it might be a deterrent to others who read the news story.
This isn't new, really. There are many counts of cameraman hijinks... for instance, it (used to be?) quite common for a camera on a PGA tour to suddenly zoom in radically on a well-endowed female spectator when the operator knows his camera isn't going to be on the main board anytime soon. You can also do a google search for "Allison Williams" and WVEC to find out what can happen to an up and coming news reporter who doesn't know the camera is running.
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While deturance has its place. I do believe that signs outside of houses can influence a crooks decision. However, retail stores like Walmart and Target have very sophisticated security systems, and yet shrinkage is such a huge problem, that if they were to actually resolve, or at least get the product back in the store, they would literally bump their profitability up by several percentage points. And when you talk about billion dollar / yr companies like those two, that indicates that there is a TON of stuff that walks out the door, that never comes back.
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Um....
I think the installation and linking of the UK's CCTV system shows an inherent disregard for people's privacy. At least there's a few safeguards in there, I guess.
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Watching the Watcher
so its possible..but methods are still undisclosed in covert status :-
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check out that link, it's a google map of open webcams
found via coolgooglemaps.com
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