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   Dane Janeiro, 7 Feb 2006 @ 12:58pm

   
   

   No Subject Given

   The telco philosophy is echoed in that line from the guy from the Bush White House who said "We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality—judiciously, as you will—we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out." It's the SAME mindset. They are the same sociopath loop job types that gain power in this country.
   Of course from the reality-based world, it looks like the telco guy are saying that settlement with content providers -- on top of charging customers monthly access fees -- is a business plan for the future. To me it looks like Prodigy, circa 1986.

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   bits, 7 Feb 2006 @ 1:35pm

   
   

   Well . . .

   Think about this for a moment. The telcos are the ones touting this idea. There are alternatives to DSL . . . cable providers, there are also programs like direct PC (expensive, but an option), and then "enhanced" dialup, that provide internet access. So if the telcos want to restrict access to their network and therfore reduce the overall usefullness, then why would the consumer use their service? I think that network neutrality will eventually work iteslf out among those providers who are serius about making money.
   
   If the consumers don't use the service, then the telcos will either be forced to change their ways or phase out their broadband service. Either way, they would be loosing business/revenue. (Granted that they control a significatn portion of the internet backbone . . . which is "the middle" of the internet if you will).
   
   If I were Mr. Moneybags, and I was loosing revenue because we are blocking access/degrading service, then I would choose to open up the services. . . that's just my thought.

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   Scott, 7 Feb 2006 @ 1:41pm

   
   

   Re: No Subject Given

   Cite your source for that quote, please. It sounds like more fiction from the so-called "reality-based" land of Michael Moore, et. al.

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   Jeff Carlton, 7 Feb 2006 @ 1:49pm

   
   

   Re: Well . . .

   You are missing the whole point of the telcos argument. They are not talking about the connections to their customers. They are talking about the back-bone connections between telcos. Without those connections, cable providers, and the programs you mentioned cease to function. Currently, we enjoy a situation where each telco connects to each other without regard to the data passing through the routers. In a non-neutral model, the telco would charge the content provider for the bandwidth utilized. This charge would come after any access fees that have been paid by the provider to their ISP and the end user has paid has paid to theirs. A double-dipping effect if you will. Very, very greedy.

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   Jeff Carlton, 7 Feb 2006 @ 1:55pm

   
   

   Re: No Subject Given

   “We're an empire now, and when we act, we create our own reality. And while you're studying that reality -- judiciously, as you will -- we'll act again, creating other new realities, which you can study too, and that's how things will sort out. We're history's actors . . . and you, all of you, will be left to just study what we do.''
   
   - an senior White House aide
   (as quoted by Ron Suskind in the New York Times Magazine, October 17, 2004)
   

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   Anonymous Coward, 7 Feb 2006 @ 1:58pm

   
   

   Google About to Deliver the Death Blow to Telcos?

   Google seems to be up to something... http://www.lightreading.com/document.asp?doc_id=80968

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   Dosquatch, 7 Feb 2006 @ 3:23pm

   
   

   Re: No Subject Given

   OMFG, this was actually printed in the NYTimes. Granted, not my favorite source, and Suskind doesn't bother to attach a name to that "senior advisor". Still, though, it's there.

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   Anonymous Coward, 8 Feb 2006 @ 5:30am

   
   

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   and its not like the New York times hasn't been busted for making up and plagiarizing whole stories before. Let alone making up a quote that can't be attributed to anyone.

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   Name Withheld, 3 Mar 2006 @ 2:04pm

   
   

   Re: Well . . .

   There's another alternative, which I use: connect to the internet via the dozens of unsecured wireless routers in my densely populated part of town. I get a nice fast connection, with entertainment content provided via BitTorrent. It's a lovely alternative that hasn't cost a penny since my investment in a wireless card and antenna 20 months ago. Let's see, at about 35 bucks a month the DSL would cost me, that pays for my Athlon 64 dual-core right there.

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    Brad Eleven, 11 Jul 2006 @ 9:56am

    
    

    Re: Re: No Subject Given

    It doesn't matter whether any Bush official--or anyone at all, for that matter--actually said these words. This is what it looks like they're doing. If you think the words have more cred because they can be traced back to a specific individual, you'd prefer not to think for yourself. It's obvious. Think of Microsoft refusing to cooperate with existing standards, and simply inventing their own standards b/c of their market share.
    
    Legally defensible and morally reprehensible.
    
    OTOH, if you discredit the words because you don't like the NYTimes, or because they can't be traced to someone specific (that you could also dislike/discredit), you think only for yourself. That is, you don't have room to consider other perspectives.
    
    Neither position is "wrong". Both have (IMHO) unacceptable trade-offs, though. Your Mileage May Vary, Based On Your Usage.

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