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   Jim D., 6 Mar 2006 @ 11:17am

   
   

   I actually

   FIRST POST!! (had to say it, I never got in quick enough before...)
   
   I actually enjoy the challenge...but thats me and I'm a geek...

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   dorpus, 6 Mar 2006 @ 11:37am

   
   

   Alarm Clock

   Will there ever be an alarm clock where you don't have to scroll through 23 hours, if you want to set the alarm an hour earlier?
   

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   Anonymous Coward, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:08pm

   
   

   Re: Alarm Clock

   What about an alarm clock that lets you set a separate alarm for each day of the week?

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   JR, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:16pm

   
   

   Re: Alarm Clock

   How about an alarm clock that doesn't have a tiny little switch to turn it off, and a huge snooze button for the losers and layabouts?

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   Compujas, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:20pm

   
   

   Re: Alarm Clock

   Actually, alarm clocks do exist that have back/forward buttons for setting the time so you don't have to scroll through 23 hours. Of course they aren't the most common, but I have seen/used them. My own alarm clock actually has a dial that you turn either way to set the time (it's VERY old, probably close to 15 years old and it still works, Dual Alarm even, leading to my next point). There are alarms that are at least dual-alarm capable, and I believe I may have once seen a clock with an alarm for each day, but I can't confirm that for sure.
   
   As for the point at hand, all the fun is in learning how to use your new gadget(s). That's how you know when you need to buy something new: once you've learned it, all the fun is gone and it's time for a new one to learn. Digital cameras are and endless source of learning "wtf does this button do." Home theater systems too. So many settings.

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   stu, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:21pm

   
   

   Re: Alarm Clock

   well, fiddling for that useless small switch means you have to think, therefore you'll be waking up. the snooze is big for a reason. you dont want to reach out and turn your alarm off when you want a few more mins kip do you?

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   asnoozer, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:22pm

   
   

   Re: Alarm Clock

   well, I have an alartm clock that automatically sets its time off the home electrical wires (dotn know the name for this technology, but it works great). It has seperate alarm modes for weekday and weekend ahd na huge snooze button. IMHO, the best alarm clakc I've owned.
   
   URL is attached.

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   BigTeebo, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:25pm

   
   

   time displays

   Here's a bright idea: Most vcrs have a numeric keypad remote: why not just let me punch in the right time? No more up/down. heck, not even TIVO lets you do that with time setting to record a program.
   
   Yes, I had an old clock radio with an old-fashioned display, with the flipping cards(like the countdown timer in LOST). Setting that 1 hour behind was fun. 23 hours of scrolling fun.

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   asnoozer, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:26pm

   
   

   Re: Alarm Clock

   ok, lets try this again...
   
   well, I have an alarm clock that automatically sets its time off the home electrical wires (I dont know the name for this technology, but it works great). It has seperate alarm modes for weekday and weekend and a huge snooze button. IMHO, the best alarm clock I've owned.
   
   this time the URL is correct
   
   (and yes, next time I will proof-read my posts)
   
   

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    asnoozer, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:28pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    For some reason, it wont take the URL as I've pasted it, so here it is:
    
    http://www.emersonelectronics.ca/index/screen/products_3/model_ID/421.html

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    Gan-San, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:30pm

    
    

    Ya.... If only...

    If only people would stop being n00bs and try a little harder. :)

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    Jon, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:32pm

    
    

    Are geeks dumb?

    As a geek, I think I'm less likely to put up with bad UI. I KNOW it can be done so that the UI is intuitive and helpful. If the company that made the gadget decided not to give me a good UI, why should I give them my money?

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    PodissRT, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:42pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    A little searching turns up this 7-day programmable alarm clock. http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/788e/

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    Mousky, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:49pm

    
    

    Aim for the lowest common denominator

    A good UI and good manual goes a long way. I gave my mom a Samsung Combo VCR/DVD for Christmas. Setting it up was straightfoward. The menu system was logical and easy to use. It helped that there were not tons of options. One day the power went out and the clock reset. My mother got the manual out and was able to set the clock her self, not bad for a 63 year old Polish lady. The manual was well written as well. It uses a graphic of the remote to show you which buttons to press.

    I recently purchased a cordless phone system by Panasonic. The manual is well written and logically organized. The box inlcuded a graphic of how to repack everything should have to return the phones. Amazing.

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    anon, 6 Mar 2006 @ 12:58pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    I'm guessing that kip is slang for sleep. Where does the word kip originate from?

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    Seth, 6 Mar 2006 @ 1:31pm

    
    

    Good UI is the most important function

    Good UI design is what prompted me to choose an iPod over an IRIVER HD120 last year. I bought the iRiver first, but was frustrated by all the crappy little buttons everywhere and the complex menu system. Then I looked first-hand at an iPod, and was immediately sold. Simple menu, elegant controls, and it's soft on my skin. :)
    
    Sure, the iRiver cost less, had more storage space, and more features (FM radio, line in). But, when it comes down to it, what's more important? Features, or the interaction experience? To me, and probably most people, the experience is the most important thing of all.
    That said, nowadays I pretty much never use my iPod. Why? I've got XM in my car and iTunes radio at work. No playlists to juggle, nothing to plug in, nothing extra to shop for, a single button (ON) and I'm set.
    I'm all for learning the ins and outs of a new device, but lately I've been questioning the value of all this multi-functionality. If you have to hit more than two buttons to get something to work, it's just not worth it. Basically, give me one gadget for each function (music, games, phone, food) and put a big green "GO" button on each one, and I'd be all set. Just make them small enough so I can fit all of them in one pocket, please.

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    xdcds, 6 Mar 2006 @ 1:53pm

    
    

    Best Alarm Clock

    Any PDA (ever since the first PALMS) will serve as GREAT alarm clocks. I now have one with Windows Pocket PC, and just using the calendar, and adding a new appointment at the time you want to wake up will do wonders. You can set it to occur only on weekdays, and you can snooze, you can set custom tones, even mp3s as your wake up call.

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    Dosquatch, 6 Mar 2006 @ 1:53pm

    
    

    No Subject Given

    and the 600 page, poorly written, manual doesn't help
    

    Seriously, what's the last product you purchased that had a manual even a fraction this big? The biggest manual I've seen recently was about 40 pages long - 4 languages, 10 pages per language. My car owner's manual isn't even this big. In fact, most of the electronics I've purchased recently don't have written manuals at all, they have fold-out pictorial posters that show how to hook the device up (a practice I believe was started by HP with their printers)

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Mar 2006 @ 1:58pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    Yes, I have one. Next?

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    JustDave, 6 Mar 2006 @ 2:02pm

    
    

    Re:7 Day Alarm Clock

    7 Day alarm Clock I have one, it is great!

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    Logicbomb, 6 Mar 2006 @ 2:24pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    bunk.
    
    its a combination of lack of common sense, stupidity, and poor attention span. to blame this problem entirely on poor UI design is shortsighted and ignorant of other contributing factors.
    
    face it - we are accustomed to wanting everything right now, from email to cellphones. that, combined with the fact that for some reason electronics companies are obsessed with compressing 14 different devices into something that can fit into your pocket, is a recipe for... well, study findings like this

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    GeorgeGiraffe, 6 Mar 2006 @ 2:24pm

    
    

    Apple...

    ...is the perfect example of how a positive "user experience" can make all the difference (and dollars).

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    ?, 6 Mar 2006 @ 2:38pm

    
    

    You may be onto something here.

    Even as a geek, I find myself frustrated by poor UI. Afterall, the UI is there to help increase productivity. If the UI is clumsy, then it is worthless to me.
    
    Case in point, Fedora Core 2, Command line interface . useradd -p [pw] [user] doesn't work! Why not? Instead of adding a user with one simple string, I have to use two different strings. While this doesn't add too much time to my day, it did take some time for me to figure out that the -p flag is worthless in this distro of Linux, and it is slightly frustrating that the people developers allowed a stupid bug like that got past their quality control department.

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    ?, 6 Mar 2006 @ 2:40pm

    
    

    Re: You may be onto something here.

    When I say useradd -p [pw] [user] doesn't work, I mean the -p doesn't seem to be functional. Meaning, that I have to go through two different scripts to add a password to a users account.

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    BigBooks, 6 Mar 2006 @ 2:45pm

    
    

    Re: No Subject Given

    I purchased an mp3 player that came with two manuals. One for the device itself 142 pages (half french and english, and a second manual for the program to put things on the device that is 104 pages (again half french and english). I also have a digital camera whose manual is 150 pages. So manuals larger than 40 pages do exist.

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    JoshS, 6 Mar 2006 @ 3:31pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    It is designers with attitudes like Logicbomb that lead us into these cases of poor usability.
    In a very real sense, if a device cannot be used by the average user, it *is* malfunctioning--it's just that it's a design error rather than a failure to properly implement a technical specification.
    You can't always just blame the user when your technology is too difficult to actually use when it's needed. The writings of Don Norman enlightening on this subject. For example, using the term "pilot error" to refer to many cases where the technology was so poorly designed that even well-trained professionals didn't catch the tech-related problems.
    The bias against the user is formidable, and I view this research as the users (the important people) waking up and realizing that they are not at fault for bad design.

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    Mike (profile), 6 Mar 2006 @ 4:39pm

    
    

    Re: No Subject Given

    Seriously, what's the last product you purchased that had a manual even a fraction this big?
    
    Apparently I forgot the sarcasm tags.
    
    However, a phone that I got did have a manual that was about 300 pages.
    

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    Avitarx, 6 Mar 2006 @ 5:01pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    Will there ever be an alarm clock where you don't have to scroll through 23 hours, if you want to set the alarm an hour earlier?
    My cellphone is a great alarm clock, Auto updates the time, 72 hour battery backup, really loud and annoying tone, and I just hit 7 buttons to set it to any time (menu 4 1 xx:xx (time in 24 hour format) OK).
    The only problem it has is the button marked snooze is ajasent to the turn off alarm button, fortunatly any key on the keypad snoozes too. It is the best alarm clock I have ever had (though in hotels I also use a wake-up call).

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    Anonymous Coward, 6 Mar 2006 @ 7:19pm

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    >What about an alarm clock that lets you set a< br>>separate alarm for each day of the week?
    
    http://www.thinkgeek.com/homeoffice/lights/788e/

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    John Creasy, 6 Mar 2006 @ 8:08pm

    
    

    Re: Good UI is the most important function

    Products for dummies is just encouraging the dumbing down of America. If you can't figure it out then try learning it. If you can't learn it then you don't need it.

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    Pleh, 7 Mar 2006 @ 2:03am

    
    

    Re: Alarm Clock

    "I'm guessing that kip is slang for sleep. Where does the word kip originate from?"
    
    Kip translates to chicken is Dutch.
    I don't see a connection though :)

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    Galley, 7 Mar 2006 @ 4:33am

    
    

    Re: Best Alarm Clock

    I've been using my PDA as my alarm clock for five years. MegaClock allows me to set 15 separate alarms, and each can have a text label. It's plenty loud, as well.
    http://www.megasoft2000.com/

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