Has The Stern Effect Already Worn Off For Sirius?
from the sticking-to-FM dept
As people wonder where all the Howard Stern listeners that didn't follow him to satellite radio have ended up, a radio research firm has done a little digging into why more haven't followed him. A report says that Sirius' new subscriber growth from Stern's arrival has essentially stalled, with about 8% of his terrestrial audience, or 1.1 million, having subscribed to Sirius. Nearly a third of those that haven't subscribed say they don't miss the show enough to justify paying for it, while almost a quarter say equipment and service costs too much. $500 million to pull in 1.1 million subscribers is pretty steep, but it sounds like the real issue here isn't just that perhaps Stern's pull isn't as strong as he or Sirius thought, but rather that Sirius isn't doing a great job of marketing its service. When people say they don't miss the show enough to subscribe, it almost sounds as if there's a perception that the Stern show is all that's on Sirius, or is the only thing that would interest them, meaning that the company could do a better job of making them aware of all the other content it offers. The idea that Stern alone would be enough to solidify Sirius' business is pretty unrealistic, and unless the company can do a better job of supplanting his influence with more to add new subscribers, that huge contract could end up being little more than an albatross around their neck.
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Not worth it
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More angry commentators?
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Howard Stern...
Only thing with Adam I don't like is Damechek, that guy needs to shoot himself in the face.
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Stern is over
oh, and O&A Party rock
Ron and Fez RULE!
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Drop in Sirius stock
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Stern Effect
Corporate doofuses!
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Stern is not over
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As bad for Stern as well?
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Stern understands this
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Surprising
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Re: Howard Stern...
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never going back to regular radio
Having said that, I can not imagine going back to regular radio. Commercial free music everywhere I travel, great sports channels, and good talk too. I believe once you have tried Sirius you would have trouble going back too.
I do agree with Carlos though, they have spent way too much energy/resources on Stern. They could have taken what they are paying him and given away radios with paid service and got many more listeners.
Just the 2 cents of the Grump
GOM
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Stern sucks
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Not just Stern
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Howard Stern Numbers
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stern still puts on an entertaining show, despite it being mildly... "over-rated" and "sophmoric" (nice try there, buddy, a grammar-spelling double whammy, I wonder who is really stupider).
Carolla's not bad. Isn't true Ron and Fez got dumped recently by FreeFM and they rehired O&A? That must suck, since Ron and Fez started as O&A's whack little brothers who sat around and talked about computers for an hour.
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Does it add up?
1.1million x 13.99 = 15 mill +
After his cut it sounds like they knew what they were doing. 10mill to me in 4 months would be a decent business deal.
Lets just wait and see what happens a year or two from now.
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Re: Not just Stern
Don't forget...the networks never thought cable TV would catch on (who would want to pay for TV?) Now, cable is everywhere and people don't even balk at paying $49/mo. for shitty TV content.
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Stern is lame
More than that Sirrius is an inferior service.
I have XM and love it! O&A are funnier than Stern ever was. Moreover the XM service is great. The music, news, sports and comedy all are better than Sirrius.
I listened to the online versions of both and XM just blew Sirrius away!
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conflict of interest anyone?
The game is not over - which is what these articles never mention. Let's see how many listeners there are by the end of the year.
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Stern the Loss Leader
I haven't heard Howard on Sirius at all. I first heard him in hotel rooms, didn't think it was that great, but some great moments. Then he showed up in the Houston metro market, and I heard him for about a year during a 31-mile commute that took 93 minutes. Suddenly I got it. Howard *rules* during drive-time--when you're driving. It worked. It was funny, controversial, and suddenly I didn't give a rip about the other idiots on the road, the endless construction ...
Well, I don't have that commute any more. Now I work in a semi-major metro market that includes Air America. Interesting, but it just doesn't crack me up like Howard used to.
I think it could be that something is lost in the translation: Howard can't complain about management any more. Not that he needs it, but I could always relate to someone telling my own story. Especially when I was driving to that building where those fools got paid more than me, wouldn't listen to me, and then blamed me for their own mistakes.
Yeah. Don't work there any more. Too much talking. But I'm a excellent driver. Uh-oh. Two minutes to Stern...
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I am one of those many people who have purchased satellite and will never return to terrestrial radio. Whenever I switch to it occasionally, I can't get a few minutes in with out going to commercial. At one point, all 6 of my FM presets were at commercial at the same time. Its so bothersome that it really makes you appreciate your satellite radio. Sports coverage is also awesome, and IMO Sirius has XM beat on that aspect, unless you want baseball.
And if you listen to Stern, his show is better than ever. I mean, who's radio show wouldn't be better uncensored? Not because you can curse non stop and talk about sex, but because you don't have restrictions, you can speek your mind and not be uptight.
And all you O&A lovers don't forget they got run off of XM.
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Google?
2) O&A Party rock
3) Google makes a fortune on those first few links that come up where you type in a keyword. Also, all of those results get listed in the order that they are paid for unless one is extremely more relevant than the other. Thats why searching for porn on google only gets you the same site with 500 different addresses :(
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sirus should also broadcast over the web
so that people that are not sure about getting the service could
get a taste
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Re: Google?
fast!
maybe google can do something similar to scholar.google.com
like porn.google.com
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Re: Not worth it
When i used to go to work at 3am it was the one thing one that was worth listening to. despite a few things that I dont really like about the show, the back and forth between Howard, Artie & Robin would really make me laugh out loud. I have been fortunate enough to get to listen to Howard on Sirius, and his show is far better than it used to be. Howard often does 5+ hour shows with one 5 min comercial break hour or two.
To me this story sounds like one more attempt to make what Howard has done into a failure. Howad has said it he is happierthan he's ever been, the listeners with come over when they are ready. In the mean time he will give the people who listen the best value for there money that he can.
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Re: the moron 2 comments above me
What kind of nonsensical paragraph is that. "nobody can be objective here.. because Stern is the best ever Hoo Hoo..."
Stern is NOT the best in the business. He changed radio back in 1984, nobody denies that, but only because he did outrageous stuff that nobody else had the balls to do. O&A took that format and turned it into COMEDY and made it the most hilarious thing ever. Strippers aren't funny because their naked, and only a fat jerkoff like yourself would want to sit in their car getting aroused listening to a 60 year old man talk about a strippers ass.
Even his attempts to be funny are mediocre at best. Even in the 80's, Jackie was the funniest part of that aweful show. Now, who would even bother listening none the less paying for it.
Howard, show us the funny. You have none sir.
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Howard's Stern's Hype is Waning
O&A Always Win In The END
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5 comments I took too long typing :)
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Howard Stern
Thanks Howard
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Please bear in mind that this report is from a "radio research" organization. That means that they have a vested interested in reporting on some sort of failure by Stern.
Fact is, that the entire radio industry took a huge hit when Stern left the airwaves. The stations he was on have dropped an average of 8 (eight!) places in the rankings in their respective markets after he left. That includes not only mornings, when Stern was on, but THE ENTIRE DAY.
How many other artists could have gone from giving away his show to listeners to charging 13 bucks a month and still kept 3.5 listeners? It's an amazing success.
Yes, the hard core of his fans has already moved to Sirius, but now, every time somebody buys a new car and they're faced with putting in satellite radio, they will of course pick Sirius. I'm betting that by the end of this year they have 5+ million listeners, adding as many as a million a year.
You can bet that anybody who tries to spin this as being some sort of failure or "cooling" for Stern has an agenda. There's no other way this breathtaking success could be perceived as anything else.
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Howard who?
Yes people Howard brought in about 1.1mil people...not 4. Look at the sub growth rate before his announcement as well as XM's. Logic dictated 1.1mil is a fair if not generous number.
Someone forgot allot of math to add into the numbers they used to gauge Howard's impact on Sirius.
$15mil-5mil for his pay -83mil for his stock-1mil for the promotion of him (was estimated higher but as I cant recall the exact number lets use 1)= $74mil Loss.
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Did you just call Howard breathtaking? Way to be a 12 year old girl at a Backstreet Boys concert.
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You can bet that somewhere up the chain, this story came from someone in the radio industry. They've really taken it on the chin. A friend of mine who is a media buyer here in Chicago says that radio across the board has been hurting and ad rates have plummeted since Howard left the air.
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XM & Free FM
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evolution
The equipment will evolve, I am waiting for a decent portable.
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Is that all there is?
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O&A did NOT get run off of XM.
They are still on XM 6 hours live plus 3 of those hours are simulcasted on regular radio.
So you know nothing
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Re: Donkey's comment
I bought a Sirius receiver in January for a couple of reasons.
1. Best Buy was having a "Howard Stern" sale on Sirius radios just before his show premiered. I paid only $19.99 for the "Visor" receiver and thought it was a good buy.
2. I'm in South Carolina where the FM radio stations basically suck. Sirius offers a SERIOUS alternative with the music and comedy channels.
I'm not really a Stern fan, but not a "hater" either. I can get past the trash, but my main listener gripe (like he cares) is that now he's heard all over the country, but he still acts like he only has listeners in Manhattan. He should be taking advantage of the wide coverage and doing more things to KEEP me interested in his daily patter. I know his ego is bigger than his paycheck, but if he (and Sirius) were smart, he'd KEEP trying to be as innovative as in the past. I'm obviously not a radio programmer, and I don't know how he would accomplish that, but it's NOT being done. On my morning commute, I usually sample his show, and if it doesn't grab my attention immediately, I turn to CNN Headline News.
The audio from CNN, FOX, Blue Collar Comedy, and NASCAR (next year) will probably keep me paying my monthly fee even if Stern just goes away. It is nice to travel from Charlotte to Fort Worth and never lose the station...
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Do the Math
Thats not even including the expenses of running the company, promoting him, and logistical costs like bandwith and relay stations
How long can Sirius who is already millions in the hole afford to hemorage $75million a year?
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I got Sirius for Stern and after 5 months I'm still having trouble getting around to all the other channels. I find myself listening to Howard 100 and 101 all day long (in the office and in my car).
O&A went back to terrestrial radio.. what a surprise, they were a failure on XM. If I was an O&A fan I'd be pissed that I couldn't get more of their uncesored show anymore.
Stern's best shows have happened since he's been on Sirius, and it's *not* largely due to the cursing. Their ability to pursue topics and bit ideas that were not possible on censored radio is what makes it so much better to listen to.
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Who's the moron?
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Do the math again.
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About a year ago I was looking into satellite radio and went with XM (I liked the hardware and content) over Sirius. I love the fact that on satellite there is little advertising, listening to music you just can not hear on regular radio.
I checked out Opie & Anthony for a show or two and could not stand them. I found the humor crude it did not seem that interesting. I was content with the other channels (talk + music).
When Ron & Fez joined the channel about half a year ago, I dug their humor. They have a wry sarcastic feel about them that certainly isn't for everyone.
After listening to Ron and Fez for a while I began catching bits and pieces of the highlights from the O&A show, and slowly became interested in the bits and characters and running gags they have. Soon I began listening to O&A every day, as I got used to the homor and pacing. Now I love listening to them. Funny as hell, if you can understand where the humor is coming from.
Stern and O&A put on great shows. There is a great rivalry that makes for some good radio. No matter who you think is better it just shows how much satellite (and alternate form of entertainments) are going to eventually force radio to change.
Oh, and the live simulcast of part of O&A's show on regular radio expands the show's market and reach, not to mention more advertising to XM, and satellite in general. XM wins by getting their brand and talent to more people. O&A win by expanding the show to more people. XM's listeners win because they get a longer show (with no censoring of the simulcast, even when an FCC violation is broadcast.) It might be argued that the show is being "watered down" by being on regular radio, but to me it seems that the same humor is being broadcast, with the FCC hassle being handled by the radio stations, and not the O&A show. (The "daily dump report" on the xm only part of the show demonstartes this.)
Anyway, I hope Stern and O&A go for a long, long time. The more rivalry the better.
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Re: Not worth it
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Howard old?
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$13 * 11 months = $143/year
$143 * 4 mill = $572 mil
Add to that the profits they make from advertising and selling the equipment and you'll see it's not a bad business proposition.
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You are clueless
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rabid fans are funny
I used to be a Howard fan years ago. Anyone that thinks he is as funny now as he was 20 years ago is crazy. He lost me 6 years ago, now I do not even listen to AM radio other than weather and traffic.
I do think U_R_A_Tools post holds true. He should have mentioned that at this time Howard is having minimal effect on new subs. If Sirius grows to 4.5mil this year it will only be a few 100k "Howard subs".
I do think Opie and Anthony and XM are getting by far the better end of the deal as compared to Sirius/Howard.
Think about it.....XM still has a good million+ Opie and Anthony listeners out of the 6mil+ they have. Now you ADD TO THAT whatever they get from the CBS deal (has that been announced?) and add to that the higher profile causing more potential subs.....AND them mentioning they do XM also basically being a free daily advertisement.
In short Sirius is in alot of financial trouble. I heard a recording of Howard trying to spin the XM and Sirius financial statements. The realities are Sirius doubled revenue in the last year and quadrupled (thats make 4x bigger) losses....talk about going the wrong way.
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Re: Do the Math
13*12*2000000= 312,000,000
$312,000,000 - $100,000,000 = $212,000,000/year
As for who is better, I personally like Stern although some of O&A's antics are quite humorous.
Anyone who has listened to Satellite radio can attest, it beats the pants off of Terrestial radio. XM/Sirius (choose your poison) > FM
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Re: Stern is over
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Won't do Sirius because of Stern
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Re: Not worth it
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Re: Howard Stern...
How can you listen to Adam Corolla? His short lived horribly unfunny show on Comedy Central should have been proof enough that that man should never be given a job in entertainment again. Kimmel carried his ass on the man show, and his dull, morbid way of speaking and personality are nothing to be publicly proud of listening to.
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Think about this
O&A better count there blessings Stern did not take the offer to go back to regular radio because they will find themselves on the unemployent line once again
The Revolution has just begun my friends!!!
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Re: Won't do Sirius because of Stern
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He hasn't been doing the shows he wanted to do for the past 10 years. Now that he's on Sirius, he's free to finally bring all his brilliant ideas to fruition.
Listen to him on satellite and you'll see that he's back with full force.
Artie rules!
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Sterno
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Do the Math??
$13 per MONTH multiplied by 2 million listeners is $26 million per MONTH.... which is more than $100 million per quarter. (In case you still don't get it... thats more than $400 million per year.
Holy Christ, what a dumb-ass.
Anyway, the article stinks... as others have stated, Sirius has gained 3.4 million subscribers since they announced Howard Stern was coming over. He only needed to bring something like 1.5 million subscribers over to pay for his $500 million deal.
He's paid for himself and Sirius is so happy with the results that they have offered to extend his contract for another 5 years and another $500 million. That's a 10 year 1 billion dollar offer. Howard has declined the offer at this time just has he has declined 3 separate offers from Terrestrial Radio Companies to copy the O & A thing. Unfortunately, O & A had to take the Terrestrial offer because according to the statistics, they were only able to attract 35,000 listeners to XM. We know this because XM charged $1 extra to get their show. So, XM generated a whopping 35K per month where as Howard has generated more like $45 million in MONTHLY revenues at Sirius.
Nobody has ever done something like this.... so, like him or not... he's a revenue generating powerhouse.... and now he's happy because he doesn't have the FCC breathing down his neck... so, he's probably not going anywhere any time soon.
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Re: Think about this
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Re: Surprising
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Eryck is an idiot
CBS? ummmm no chance says the 500mil lawsuit.
Clearchannel? Remember when they dumped him and he sued them for breach of contract while he insulted them and cursed the heads and there families?
After that who is left that could offer a big deal? NO ONE.
OnA have already won....you just don't know it yet.
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Re: Stern sucks
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With an annual subscription price of $140, the Stern listeners will have to stay subscribed for 3.5 YEARS just to break even. I really doubt the Sirius churn rate is low enough for average customer lifespan to exceed three years.
On the other hand, his conversion rate (8%) is an interesting number to have when looking at the "cost" of piracy. When a free service is moved to a pay model (the Stern customer base), fewer than 1 in 10 will actually purchase the product which means that taking just 10% of the RIAA/MPAA "cost of piracy" numbers might give you a REAL estimate.
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Re: Re: Won't do Sirius because of Stern
O&A didn't tell those people to have sex in the church either, you schmuck. The people decided where they had sex, and O&A obviously took the heat. It was the perfect opening for Howard to try and convert their fans too. But he still couldn't.
Don't give me the crap about Stern fans not wanting Sirius because there isn't enough on there besides Stern. All the O&A fans jumped on the XM bandwagon regardless of XMs programming. If Stern was as funny and good as you say, they would've followed.
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Tell
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Stern is over
It got to the point where a gag order was placed on O&A so that they couldn't say his name, or refer to any material supposedly stolen from them. It's idiots like you who were brainwashed by the few years of good radio Howard put out and became his tool and believed everything he said. I began to listen to Howard when the whole "stealing" controversy came out and as a previous Stern fan, he dropped the ball. Stern's time is over, O&A are the future.
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Stern's Late Night Comments Didn't Help
The point is, when you begin to berate your former customers in a vain attempt to retain them, you start to resemble the RIAA. Howard might as well sue me, because that's the only way he'll ever see dollar one from my pocket. Oh, and did I mention that I actually LIKE the guy?!
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O&A Slackers
Curious what their super fans have to say about that?
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Re: Stern's Late Night Comments Didn't Help
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Fact: Stern is the highest paid entertainer.. EVER!
Fact: O&A came to XM and failed!
Fact: XM anxious to make *some* money off of them joined together with CBS whose ratings were *tanking* since Stern left and decided to salvage whatever miserable scraps were left of both of their businesses.
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Oh yeah, Howard left. And Oh yeah... 35 thousand subscribers.... LOL. Weak Man... Weak.
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sirius
'Smart' internet radio, like Pandora, and Last.fm, (c'mon folks, tell me about more) are indubitably the future. In fact, every media will assume this form, hopefully sooner rather than later.
HEY! GOOGLE! Why don't you guys just do this right like you're doing everything else.
I said it first. Software Based Radio!!!!!!!!!!
I'm waiting.......I don't see a product announcement on DIGG yet........
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O&A subscriber numbers
Good.
When O&A signed with XM Satellite radio, they had 2.1 million subscribers. Now they have just shy of 7 million. So O&A brought over 4.9 million listeners. Also correct?
Of course not. Howard brought just around 1.1 million as this and many other articles have said. Sirius has other programming that people have joined to hear. As much as it may shock you that people got sirius for something other than howard, it's true. Just as much as it shocks me that people with XM listen to anything but channel 202.
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Re: Re: Re: Re: Won't do Sirius because of Stern
As for the idiot who said that Howard is saying he got offered trhe same deal as OnA to go on regular radio, you're compeltely wrong. CBS is sueing Howard and Clearchannel kicked him off before he even went to Sirius. Now there's no one left to offer that deal.
Get your facts straight.
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Re: O&A subscriber numbers
XM charged 1$ for O&A and colleced 35K. They didn't bring over 4.9 listeners.
Stop making up numbers.
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Re: Eryck is an idiot
> Howard never had an offer. He is full of it. Who is going to offer him a big deal?
You're a dumbass:
http://www.eonline.com/News/Items/0,1,18995,00.html?fdnews
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/ent ertainment/4760959.stm
Also- re-broadcasting O&A's XM broadcast on terrestrial radio is a big fuck you to XM's subscribers. Why do you think they did that by the way? Becuase they were so successful on XM alone?
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I trust what he says because he's always been honest about what has been going on with his life in the past.
I don't care what an article says... Howard is saying the articles are wrong. I belive him. That doesn't make me a tool.
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Re: Re: Eryck is an idiot
O&A are being used to save those stations. When you buy XM for them, you get all the uncensored material, which is what you're buying it for to begin with if you're only concerned with O&A. You really think they're rebroadcasting the entire thing uncensored? These people don't even have to prove you're an idiot. You've done a pretty good job yourself.
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Re: Stern's Late Night Comments Didn't Help
> "cheapskates" for not following him to satellite. I wrote him a nice
> letter telling him that we didn't abandon him, HE abandoned US, and
> that he could shove his comments... well, I'll save that for another forum.
Save it forever. You're an idiot. That's not what Stern said, the quote is taken out of context. Stern said that as a joke to make a point, you need the FULL TEXT of what he said to understand the point he was making. Don't be a typical news sheep. The news fucks it up more than you obviously think.
http://culturedstate.blogspot.com/2006/04/warning-sarcasm-implied-here.html
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Hey, O&A, how many subscribers did you bring to XM??
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> They are talking about this right now on Opie and Anthony
I wouldn't know, I'm listening to Stern and he's talking about something completely unrelated. And its funny.
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They're trying to bank on being Howard haters when he's clearly responsible for whatever (albeit tiny compared to him) success they've enjoyed.
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HAHA
It didn't take too long before Howard shortened his work week to 4 days. O&A work 5 a good 80% of the time. Stern has been 4 after his 6th week.
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Re: rabid fans are funny-Go O&A Virus
I also predicted correctly, they would go first, and Stern would follow.
Look here for my thoughts on the has-been Stern.
(he hasn't had a good show since 1994 and I stopped listening (and I heard him on AM, and even listened the day he was fired from WNBC-AM) when O&A came to NYC.
Howeird link: http://markbnj.blogspot.com/2006/04/radioking-of-all-has-beens-howierd.html
my O&A returns LINK
http://markbnj.blogspot.com/2006/04/radio-opie-and-anthony-come-back-to.html
ANd I still say: they'd make a bigger fortune and get even more listeners when they charge $1.00 more/month for the studio web-cam, then their xm costs.
Oh, and I predicted and told people publically, as well as started boycotting howard, when he started claiming He was first, and O&A didnt know anything.
And to explain the age thing:
Howard has been on the radio in nyc since 82, and nationwide since about 93.
So he's been on the radio for almost 26 years.
His first 15 years were FANTASTIC.
Say, the miss howard stern pay-per view (1993?)
but the problem is when he got his divorce, he lost the aspect of his personality that made him "caring", as well as allison's almost daily (weekly) calls into the show.
New listeners wont understand this. They never heard the original man who was fined and fined by the FCC>
O&A for goodness sakes was on the THIRD annual "sex for sam" (sam adams) contest, when they were fired for encouraging listeners to have sex at St.Pat's.
The ONLY difference is that instead of going to commercial, tTHEY STAYED LIVE while it was going on, BECAUSE they had the balls to.
AND it paid off in spades.
INFINITY/CBS paid their contract for 2.5 years JUST to muzzle them, AND BEGGED them to come back to "free" rradio again.
AND this time they said sure, but we're not giving up XM.
Howard will NEVER ever come back to free radio. No one will want him, he is history. SORRY
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That isn't true... they rarely take Friday's off. Anyway, they do a 5-6 hour show most days.
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"They're talking about the Associated Press article. I'm think I'm gonna be posting back with the MP3 of it so you can all hear this."
Yeah, good idea. Can't wait. :)
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Re: Not worth it
I understand that many people do not like his style, but if you ever have yuo will REALLY LOVE it now!!
I almost crashed my car a few times recently from laughin so hard while driving.
Also I love my Sirius for all the other offering besides Howard it is a Win Win deal for Me!!
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All you so called Stern fans jumped ship because you don't want to pay for Sirius. If you were real fans, you would have gone. O&A are the future. Conform or die with Howard and stop listening to radio altogether. Oh well...
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Stern stinks and I don't like him
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better contract?? Highest paid entertainer in history
satellite and public radio?? big FU to their fans who bought XM and now have to listen to a watered-down version of the show
I did move to Sirius because of Howard.
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MP3
Howard originally said "Wouldn't it be great if I went back to regular radio and kicked O&A asses?"
It then became overblown in this huge lie all you tools have now bought into.
Howard has YET to name the 3 companies who gave him these offers.
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O&A Always win in the end
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Howard wanted to put the statement out yesterday so he had Gary calling all the news agencies. They were originally going to get CBS news, but ended up going with AP.
He was tired of the news media saying that he was considering going back because he didn't want his fans to think that he would screw them over by ditching them for boring, censored radio.
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O&A have only allegedly competed with Stern since they got to XM, where they managed to sign up 36,000 listeners for their "premium" service.
Oh, and Stern is the only one of the above mentioned players that is still uncensored - which is what he claimed is all he's wanted anyway.
Yea, Stern's failure. I'll take his black cloud any day!
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I'm sure he has a good reason for not exposing the parties involved. Why would he make it up? What does he gain from putting out a false story like this? He doesn't need to try to one-up O&A because he doesn't obsess over them like they obviously do over him.
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Howard is great? At what?
Now that Howard is finally gone (stay gone), I turned the radio on a few times in the morning. I found that 94.1 FreeFM here in Philly now has David Lee Roth, of all people, doing a morning radio show. What's more strange? The man is almost excessively POLITE! The horror! Yet even while polite, he manages to be really interesting and more than just a tad sexual with many of his guests.
Who'da thunk it? You don't have to be crude to be interesting!
David Lee Roth 1.
Howard / O&A 0.
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Re: Howard is great? At what?
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HAHAHAHAH
If you are a fan of his fine.....be a fan but don't be so blind as to not see Howard is a hypocrite and lies to his fans.
The BIG OFFERS for FM radio were a lie. Maybe a half truth and the offers came from a small company, but none of the companies that could offer anything significant to him could/would.
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Re: Not worth it
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Re: Google?
1. Who wants to hear about thongs at 6am?
then you say you love O&A(what do they talk about 3rd world countries at 6am?)
And you who else but someone who knows what first 500 porn sites would want to hear about thongs on the radio?
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So, let me get this straight. A guy is given a $500,000 contract. That day his new employer had 600,000 listeners. Today his new employer has 4.2Million listeners, all without GM car dealers "throwing it in". And he's failing to attract listeners?
O&A have only allegedly competed with Stern since they got to XM, where they managed to sign up 36,000 listeners for their "premium" service.
Oh, and Stern is the only one of the above mentioned players that is still uncensored - which is what he claimed is all he's wanted anyway.
Yea, Stern's failure. I'll take his black cloud any day!"
BZZZZT try again. Without a year on FM promoting it, a multi million add budget and 2+ years stuck off the air, OnA had 36K paying subs the day they went on the air. They knew they were starting from a tough position and did an amazing job building over 200K subs to the premium channel before it went to all of XM. WhenAll of XM could hear it the numbers went through the roof.
Howard didn't bring the company from 600k to 4.2. He himself has admitted in interviews that he is just a small portion of the growth. How pissed is he going to be when Opra has a bigger audience on XM than he does on Sirius?
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Stern is great and so is Sirius
To say that his popularity has stalled is a joke. The fact that even 1 million(I believe that this number is actually a lot higher...subscriptions to Sirius have jumped over 4 million since the anouncement of Howard joining Sirius) of his listeners followed him to a pay service is amazing. And how many people followed Opie and Anthony to XM? Not even close to that many. Which is why they are back on terrestrial radio. Clear Channel could have gotten somebody else to fill in after they uncerimoniously fired David Lee Roth, but they were scrambling to find someone to compete with Stern, which is another thing they failed at. For Stern fans, his move to satellite was the best thing he could have done for himself and the listeners. The show has reached new heights and I can't wait to see what he does next.
And if you never liked Stern to begin with, why didn't you just change the channel?
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Lie
Howard is a big self-promoter. Now he's in support of the FCC fining and censoring all these radio acts because all it will do is drive more people to satellite radio. And now-a-days, about 4 out of 5 times they're picking Sirius. This is backed up by the fact that Sirius has out-paced XM in new subs."
Last quater Sirius outpaced XM by about 6%. Where do you get this 4/5 BS from....Howard?
When you add to that Sirius counts a car that is put on the lot with Sirius in it as a sub and XM doesnt count them untill they activate the account when the car is sold its a wash.
Look for next quater to be back to usual.....XM outpacing Sirius, the Howard push is over.
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Stern Alienates His Audience
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sclone is a boob!
Your mom's box!
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Re: Howard is great? At what?
Do you even read the news? Roth was fired your moron!
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$55mil for the biggest name in TV today to promote a station on XM.
Oh and PLEASE you must be stupid to think that the idiots that watch that show will not buy XM in astonishing numbers because she is on it.
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XM counts Dish Network customers as a subs."
Are you related to Howard? You Lie just like him.
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So why aren't they signing up in droves? Her deal was announced months ago.
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Screw O&A and Howard.....
I could listen to that pompous windbag talk about his ancient rock history all day long. Plus I love hearing how every story he talks about ends up with him glorifying his EMT training or the fact that he can fly a helicopter.
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You do know she isnt on the air till September don't you?
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Howard Stern Rocks!
Every chance i got I listened to howard Stern on the radio. I did not get Sirius just for Howard. Even though that was how i convinced my wife I needed an extra gadget in the car! Everyone is so quick to talk trash about Howard Stern but he is IMO the best in the business. Now I can listen to him anytime of the day. Howard Stern is awesome!
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All O&A haters.. keep hating.. and keep putting the man down because it only shows how desparate you are.
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O & A
You know why? Cause I LOVE COMMERCIALS!!
Can't get enough commercials, and XM keeps me well satisfied.
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Stern
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seriously carlos, grab another agenda or report both sides of the stories. you are starting to look like a hater.
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Hell I have yet to see any Howard fan here, with all the lies they post to put down XM and Opie and Anthony, make a logical argument backed by any actual facts.
They cant even rebuff when BS statements by Howard or themselves are called to the carpet.
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O&A Slackers
I gotta say... so far, I'm just annoyed at all the commercials. It's the XM version of the show... but every 5 min it seems like I gotta listen to a bunch of crap.
Maybe I'm crazy I don't know... but it sounds just like any other FM show.
They are entertaining, when they're working... but c'mon... If I'm paying for XM, why would I want to hear a bunch of XM commercials?
I'm a Sirius subscriber... and they don't seem to kill us with all the self promotion.
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"Hell I have yet to see any Howard fan here, with all the lies they post to put down XM and Opie and Anthony, make a logical argument backed by any actual facts.
They cant even rebuff when BS statements by Howard or themselves are called to the carpet."
What are you smoking over there?
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Howard Stern's pull
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Yeah XM and OnA are desperate.....thats why they INOVATED Sat to FM syndication, and STILL have exclusive uncencored OnA content on XM.
I guess XM is desperate because they had a loss last quater that was 1/4 the size of Sirius' loss
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Re: Stern Effect
You loose, you get nothing, good day sir.
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damn that don't suck as much as your math did now do it
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Re:Howard Prediction
Howard will NEVER EVER EVER be on "free" radio again.
His CURRENT SIRUS contract will NOT be renewed for the same $$$ amount.
I am betting that he will "Officially" announce he's "tired" of radio again, at end of this (3 year?) contract with SIRUS.
There is NO way ANYONE would give HIM a simulcast contract.
AND I still might wind up buying XM for the O&A broadcast, because I only catch 45mins day now.
I am waiting for O&A to have a LIVE STREAMING studio-cam that can serve mabye 100-1000 listener/XM subscribers. Yeah, I'd pay extra $5.00 month for a LIVE studio webcam for the O&A Virus...on top of the regular XM fee
What about you?
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Re: Stern is great and so is Sirius -not compared
To say that his popularity has stalled is a joke.
The fact that even 1 million(I believe that this number is actually a lot higher...subscriptions to Sirius have jumped over 4 million since the anouncement of Howard joining Sirius) of his listeners followed him to a pay service is amazing.
And how many people followed Opie and Anthony to XM?
Not even close to that many. Which is why they are back on terrestrial radio.
--->nope, still on XM AND on free radio... and back on HOWARDS old NETWORK in ssame SPOT.
and... they still get both worlds
Clear Channel
-->you mean CBS, right? THEY fired DLRoth (he sucked!)
could have gotten somebody else to fill in after they uncerimoniously fired David Lee Roth, but they were scrambling to find someone to compete with Stern, which is another thing they failed at.
---> AND 5 years too late, they FINALLY paid the price for F#$%^&* with OandA. It was 5 yrs ago, when MelK put the gag order, that their fate was sealed!!!
and now cbs, WITHOUT Melk has righted the wrong, annointed them the king, and I wish I had a free XM so I could hear them do the daily studio walk!
For Stern fans, his move to satellite was the best thing he could have done for himself and the listeners.
---Yes, He's been in self imposed RERUNS for at LEAST 10 years now!
Bet it isnt as good as the old days in the early 80's when he REALLY was CUTTING EDGE!!!!
Go and enjoy the king of no media, remmeber I say he'll retire within 2 years.
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I love Howard
With the S50 I never miss a minute of the show (which takes a lot of time to listen to since he is on so long now). Thank gawd he takes every other Friday off.
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Stern rules
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Welcome to the Next Revolution
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Stern
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Contradictions
1) To anyone who fills in the line O&A Party Rock amidst their commentary, let me ask these questions ... do they have principles?
yeah, i suppose if a company fired me, I'd be willing to go back to work for them
2) Also ... do they care about their product?
Yeah, I guess I wouldn't be concerned about my fan base getting an exclusive show at x dollars a month and then offering a watered down version on terrestrial radio. I guess I would be truly getting face value of Sex and the City by watching the TBS version
3) have you listened to Stern on Sirius?
he's doing his best shows in many years.
4) do you pay for cable or satellite TV?
do some research ... mid 1970's. See how TV execs and industry experts railed against Ted Turner and HBO. Once HBO began beaming into cable companies and people were willing to pay extra for it, cable took off. In 1980, 22.6 percent of U.S. television households subscribed. In 1990, 59 percent did. Someone has to lead the way. It took cable nearly 20 years to take hold, so why do we expect satellite radio to take four months?
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O&A were such failures that CBS hired them to save their business from the abortion called David Lee Roth...
After 2 weeks on CBS radio, O&A were such failures that the head of CBS radio stated on their show that he is going to expand them to other markets.
O&A were such failures that when DirectTV decided to remove them from it's music channels, there was such an outcry from DirectTV subscribers that they had them back on the service within 2 weeks.
I could only wish to be a failure of this magnitude in my life.
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Since 1/9/06 Sirius has had 3 subs for every one to XM.
XM is bigger than Sirius yes, both companies have yet to break into the black however Sirius has been getting closer to the margin while XM seems to have stalled. Why else would there be an investigation into XM's recruitment practices. They are trying to drive up stocks with imagianary numbers by "giving away the service" for next to nothing for new subs.
As for OnA
I was listening to WAAF the first time these 2 got a show. I listened to their first radio show together as they were asking the audience to go easy on them. I think they are funny. I also think Howard Stern is funny. I agree that rivalry is good for both sides (think baseball - Red Sox / Yankees). I also think something else. Clearchannel (the majority owner of XM) is going to do what they always do - bow down to the FCC and propose a "voluntary" censorship on Sat. rad. This will open the door and the FCC will walk right in (the recent fiasco on NY 105.1 isn't going to help them much either). Eventually CC is going to fire OnA. It's just a matter of time, and then we will see Howard bring them to Sirius (think BTLS). This will be the best fallout as the listeners will get the best of both worlds on one service.
Clearchannel and FTC violations will be the eventuall downfall of XM and as its said in Highlander "In the end there can be only one"
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The origional (Biased) article
"A report says that Sirius' new subscriber growth from Stern's arrival has essentially stalled, with about 8% of his terrestrial audience, or 1.1 million, having subscribed to Sirius. Nearly a third of those that haven't subscribed say they don't miss the show enough to justify paying for it, while almost a quarter say equipment and service costs too much"
Note the usage of the phrase "Nearly a third of those that haven't subscribed"
That tells me that they got info from the rest of his listeners. But they didn't. In the orbitcast article linked in this one they reveal that Bridge Ratings inerviewed 3200 "stern listeners". According to their numbers Sterns audience was 13million. So - they interviewed .02% of his audience and this site presents it as everyone. WOW
Also it's alread been debunked that Bridge Ratings is biased towards finding Stern fans
http://www.hear2.com/2005/07/dissecting_the_.html
I find it very funny to hear that 1.1 million people representing 8.4% of the total is a small number but 3200 representing .02% is not only an accurate base to get opinion from but is wholly representative of the total to the point where they are presented as the total
Give me a break
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Re: Do the Math
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Re: Re Illegal Joe
XM is the only one of the two companies that has stated (and is expected by the analysts) to be breaking even in profitability by the end of the year. ( Mind you both companies have a huge hole of debt to climb out of )
Clear channel does have a minority holding with XM but is not the majority owner. If they were, it would not make sense for XM to syndicate O&A to Clear Channel's main competitor in the radio business, CBS Radio.
As far as voluntary censorship goes, yes O&A have been censored in a way. ( ie. no more Assualts on the Media ) but Stern has admitted to dumping out his Satellite show as well. Not to mention the various reports that came out within the first 2 weeks of his Sirius show that stated Stern has guidelines that he must adhere to. That type of censorship can also be considered job security. So in that sense, both shows are censored.
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Show me the money
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RE: Show me the money
In Howards contract there are specific goals - Get this many subs and you can excercise stock options early etc.
I do recall him talking about if a particular goal is reached his company getting a percent of the ad revenue
And anonymous coward im starting to believe your name. The censorship on OnA is in reguards to the first 3 hours of the show. Yes Stern dumped once however, that has nothing to do with censorship. One of his people (Sal) was recounting a sick story and what got dumped was a name. Dumping to avoid one of your employees getting into legal trouble is not censorship. If Clearchannel had dumped DJ Star the other day that IMO would not have been censorship. There is a line between something being offensive and illegal. Dumping something as it might be deemed offensive is censorship and like it or not thats what CBS will do if need be to OnA.
And as for Sterns "Guidelines" they are twofold. One - He knows that a company like Sirius is not going to want certain things happening inside their building, but he added that they can do anything (legal) off property to get away with that = not censored. Two - he was self imposing a rule reguarding excessive use of swears ie. swearing for the sake of swearing is not funny nor entertaining. So on that one I would have to say no stopping YOURSELF from doing something not entertaining when you are trying to be entertaining is not censorship, its good common sense
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XM is better
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You said:
When the Stern announcement happened, Sirius had roughly 600,000 listeners, at the end of 2005 Sirius had roughly 3.3 millions subs. That is a net increase of 2.7 million subs in this time frame. In the same timeframe, XM went from 2.7 million to 5.9 million. This is a 3.2 million increase in subs. This is what I said initially. XM had gained more subs than Sirius in this timeframe.
You said:
Q1 2006 results state XM new subs are 568,902, Sirius had 761,187. 43% vs 57%. How in the world ( other than using Howie math) is this 3 to 1?????? ( for those who only use Howie math, the real answer would be 25% vs 75% )
You said:
Once again Q1 2006 results tell a different story, XM had a net loss of $149.2 million, Sirius reported a net loss of $452 million. Once again Howie math is clouding your mind. When it's a loss.. it is better to have a smaller number, not a larger one. Profitability is acheived when there is no net loss.. not a larger net loss!!!
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But when I look in the investor relations faq of XM's website, it lists it's strategic investors as General Motors Corp., American Honda Motor Corp., DIRECTV, Eastbourne Capital, Hearst Corporation and Baystar Capital. Unless Clear Channel is a subsiduary of one of these companies, I would not say they are the majority shareholder in XM. Plus you did not answer my question, if they were, why would the allow XM to syndicate O&A to their competitor in terrestrial radio?
Speaking of answered questions, you also did not reveal where this 36,000 subscribers paid the premium for O&A initially. I have done my homework to back my points up. Please do the same.
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Answers
here it is
"But when I look in the investor relations faq of XM's website, it lists it's strategic investors as General Motors Corp., American Honda Motor Corp., DIRECTV, Eastbourne Capital, Hearst Corporation and Baystar Capital"
ok two links from XM's website
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this shows way back in 1999 CC investing big time in XM although I have heard that their direct investment has dropped somewhat
2-http://www.xmradio.com/corporate_info/strategic_partners_category.jsp?category=investmen t
this would appear to be strategic partners in their investment pages and woo hoo it lists 3
A-Honda
B-Clear Channel
C-General Motors
looks like CC might be a partner after all
Also one more from their site
http://www.xmradio.com/newsroom/screen/pr_2006_03_27.html
From 3 months ago, look down 1 page and you'll see this quote
"All seven regional news and talk channels provided by Clear Channel Communications will comprise a new category on the channel guide called "Regional News, Talk & Music Channels." "
Thats right they get their own category (because they have as much commercials as regular radio)
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"if they were, why would the allow XM to syndicate O&A to their competitor in terrestrial radio?"
Well I'm not to sure about the relationship between CBS and CC but since Stern was sydicated on CC stations in the past, and DJ Star (the one who just got fired and hopefully gets thrown in jail) while under contract with CC was syndicated to a CBS station in texas - My guess is this happens all the time. CC might not want OnA on regular radio but from XM's standpoint its great. Also think of this - XM and CC owned regular radio stations are technically rivals. But owning the competition is CC's MO
and as for the 36k number that is what i have heard reported (in reference to the channel 202 subs attributed to them) but have not been able to find solid proof. However, it would appear that the 36k figure is actually to high
http://www.longislandpress.com/?cp=40&show=article&a_id=7091
This news report includes (toward the bottom) a quote - ""We went from having a show that was syndicated in 17 major markets to having a few thousand listeners. But we believed in the show," says Opie. "
so I guess it should have been more like a few thousand ;)
ps I'll be back with more answers when I have time
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Stern in New Zealand
on-line alternative - short sighted on their part.
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Howard Stern has AIDS...die Howard
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FUCK HOWARD STERN
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Sirius get the retard award
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retard award finished
to finish up.....When Sirius has more subs, less cost per sub, and better radios you might have an argument that Stern really made a difference.
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Stern Rules???
Stern is still Good, but Sirus is an awesome product that I will not part with anytime soon.
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Re: Do the Math
O&A would not exist if they didn't mimic Howard.
Long live Sirius. I would pay for it even without HS. There are more commercials than music on regular FM.
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Re: Do the Math
Howards contract $500 million dollars for 5 years.
Sirius revenue based on 2 million subscribers over 5 years= 1.56 billiion dollars.
Revenue based on 4 million subscribers over 5 years= 3.12 Billion dollars.
I don't think that is a bad investment.
Howars Stern Priceless
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Satrad will be free one day
Secondly, Stern just isn't that funny anymore. I kind of wonder if he "jumped the shark" sort of speak when he switched to satrad. From what I'm reading, most of his former fans, they feel the same way. He's lost that "something".
Sirius and XM are kind of following AOL's model. Be patient and one of them will be offering Satelitte radio free albeit with advertising. THAT'S OKAY WITH ME! I'll wait it out.
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Howard Stern is trash
thank you sirius for taking him off the fm dial
sirius stupid deal.
if sirius's stock gets trashed in the market, it is becuase sirius is now full of stern's trash.
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Howard Stern is trash
thank you sirius for taking him off the fm dial
sirius stupid deal.
if sirius's stock gets trashed in the market, it is becuase sirius is now full of stern's trash.
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I've thought about getting Sirius but not for Stern. (mainly for NFL talk) I've heard Stern when he was on FM. His show is stale. It's the same thing over and over again. Who wants to hear porn stars everyday? (honestly one day is too much) Everyday he always had something to complain about as well. What does he do on Sirius? Is it the same crap? If it is I don't know how he got 20 subscribers.
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Re: Stern is over
he beat them all -
who wound up with the money....???
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Sirius
Dajan.
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Re: Not worth it
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O&A - worst program ever
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O&A from now on...
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Howard Stern Sucks (funny guy to pathetic has-been
When Artie was there, the skits were funny and fairly well executed. We could admire Stern for the creativity that he and his crew put into the show behind the sceens back then. And, now it is all to clear that Stern is washed-up, not financially, but as a media dynamo, his days are over. Cirus is a failure, and Stern has branded himself to that failure.
Arguably the biggest mistake Stern made was ditching his longtime wife Deborah. She was an integral part of who he was, and helped him to make the show realistic and funny to the common guy. After the divorce, the show and Stern took a nose dive. Portraying himself as "bigger than life", he really came off as a lonely spoiled rich guy who had everything, but sold it all for fake boobs and more money.
Some fans argue that leaving network radio was his biggest mistake; I dissagree. Stern already knew that his days were numbered in this industry, or at least he should have. He capitalized on his exit making millions of dollars, eventhough his fans and Cirus investors turned out to be the big loosers. Well, at least Stern still has his money.......
Until his new wife figures out how to take it from him.
Where will Howard Stern be in 10 years?
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Re: Not worth it
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Re: Howard Stern Sucks (funny guy to pathetic has-
Here is a new word for you to learn how to spell...
"jealousy"
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Re: Stern is over
whats the count for XM now, 30,000 strong-
lol
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Stern Sucks
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Howard Stern
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Howard Stern - is he dead yet?
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I agree, Howard Stern does suck
He used to have all kinds of funny racist stuff on his show. I even liked the retarded fella who interviewed all them stupid movie actors. Now, that was funny, even for a Yankee like Stern.
Who in tarnation even pays fer Radio? Now, that's just plain dumb.
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Who's Howard Stern?
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Re: Does it add up?
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I have to agree with Ricardovitz
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Re: Surprising
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Y'all dern't know nothing.....
Jest an 'ole washed up Hollywood Joo. Dime a dozen these days.
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Runnin fer Australian "Aussie" Prime Minister....
Anywhoo - I'm a runnin fer Prime Minister of Austrailia. In 2010, or there abouts. What am I fer??? Well, here's my platform:
1. Restore firearms rights to all Australians
2. Ship Muslims to Africa, or somewhere there abouts and get them out of beautiful Australia
3. Git them lazy good fer nothin dead beat tenants payin thar rent or put 'em on work farms.
4. Git white folks being proud of thar white heritage once again.
5. Ship all them slant-eyed's to Indonesia or thereabouts - dern't need their commie ways 'round here.
6. And, last but not least, BRING DIXIE TO AUSTRALIA - form a confederacy of southern nations, including: Georgia, Alabama, NC, SC, Tennessee, Mississippi, Louisiana, Texas and Australia.
Got any questions - just ask. Got any smarty-smart comments 'bout a bunch of nevermind, keep 'em to yourself.
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I done listened to that Stern boy on pay-radio...
"Jibber-jabber...take off yer dress....jibber jabber...nice fake titties...jibber jabber...pay radio is great....jibber jabber I'm thar king of all Media...jibber jabber what you think of her titties Robin....Jibber jabber...."
When my pay radio done run out on me, I missed thar banjo tunes, but Stern ain't but a lot of nothin 'bout nothin.
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Hey, Stern - you still fer gun bans???
But, he think he aught ta have one. That thar's a typical liberal Democrat commie, thar boys and girls. Yessiree, gun-banning, freedom-hatin, tax-whorin, Obamacareite good fer nothin!
Yall think I'm wrong then say so....but I warn ya - I ain't takin no jibber jabber from you contraiarians lyin down.
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Clayton boy say Stern is a Devil-Helpin whore....
I jest xplain to 'em that Stern is a old Jew from New York City who likes lookin at nekid ladies, devil-lesbians, 'n complainin about all that stuff old Jews is always complainin 'bout.
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Its over Johnny
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Stern - he live in a nursing home now...
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stringy hair
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Howard Stern - Ain't he the AARP peddler???
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Re: Howard Stern - Ain't he the AARP peddler???
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Re: Howard Stern - Ain't he the AARP peddler???
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