Amazon's Video Downloads About As Me Too (Read: Not Interesting) As You Can Get
from the disappointing dept
It's no secret that Amazon has been preparing its own video download store, and with most people believing that Apple is going to announce their own offering early next week, it looks like Amazon tried to jump ahead in line by announcing its own offering today. Unfortunately, the offering is about as "me too" as you can imagine. It's got all the problems of just about every other video download offering out there. It only works on Windows. Copy protection galore. Limited usage. Relatively high prices compared to alternatives. Rather than making the content portable, you basically get to download two files: one that must stay on the computer you downloaded it on, and one that can be transferred to an approved (i.e., has Windows media copy protection) mobile device. You can burn the movie to a DVD... but it's of almost no additional value, since that DVD will only play on the computer you downloaded the movie to. While it's quite likely that the Hollywood folks put many of these restrictions on Amazon, it's a disappointing service. There's nothing new here and nothing compelling. Amazon has shown in the past that it understands a lot about making the online shopping experience work well for consumers. It's too bad they were unable to transfer that knowhow to video downloads. Hopefully it's a temporary situation that they'll be able to improve over time.
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Jez
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what are they thinking
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Apple is the closest to freedom? Are you kidding?
At least Microsoft licenses their DRM to other manufacturers and content providers. They also give the content providers (ha!) the freedom to choose the severity of the DRM "protection".
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Apple is a little bit more closest to freedom than Microsoft and its DRM... From a user side anyway.
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Honestly, Apple's "free to burn then re-rip, we don't care" policy is the best thing you can have, really. Major label's won't even listen to you without having DRM being a requirement - that's just a business fact. So leave a back door open, keep the consumers happy!
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Not nessesarily amazon...
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I work for Amazon, the Unbox group gets it. Amazon has no leverage in this equation, it's all studios/MSFT dictating the terms. Believe me, Amazon doesn't want to offer a service that 1) isn't really any cheaper than buying a DVD 2) doesn't work on a lot of computers/devices and 3) isn't simple to use. It's just that Amazon's the only player in the equation that wants those things.
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And you'd think that any sensible business would put that group's wants first.
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Touch of Gold.
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Touch of Gold.
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Different forlks different strokes
We can all go to cinema to watch a movie. How many people actually bother going through the trouble of brining a camera in order to copy it?
In the world we live it's perfectly normal to pay for video screening, and it has been like that for a very long time.
My girfriend's father (age 73) asked me for help with buying music from Apple iTunes service, because he couldn't find that music on CD in shops. I explained to him how it works, he got out his credit card, and now he's a very happy man that he's finally found what he was looking for. This was all done in 15 mins.
In some people's opinion here I should have done the following - install some bit torrent software on his machine, then WinRAR, VLC media player, DivX etc.. Then teach him how to search for stuff he wants, how to download it, where to find the downloaded file, then how to uncompress it, then how to get the password from the net, in order to decompress the files.. In the process his PC would probably collect tons of spyware and adware, so I'd need to teach him how to protect himself from that, then ultimately explain why the content he downloaded actually isn't what he wanted, what it appeared to be, but recording of some very bad demo band..
I'm trying to say that a lot of people who aren't "techies" use computers too. I believe they are also target market for Amazon, maybe even more so than us who post out comments here :-)
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Sell DRM free content, piracy will not increase, interroperability problems will be solved and everyone will be happier.
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The reality is that torrents de-value content. Meaning, the reason the studios want to protect everything is because they are not happy about their product be worth less today than what it was yesterday. It is all for nothing, though, because they will eventually accept this fact and move on. In the meantime, though, we consumers have to put up with the crappy DRM implementations...
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"At least Microsoft licenses their DRM to other manufacturers and content providers"
Well they did until they decided to use their own MP3 player and effectively kill PlaysForSure. I find it amusing that the Unbox says ... If you use PlaysForSure it MAY work.
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yeah but no but..
Thats like building a space ship, but (for whatever reason) it isnt allowed above a certain height. You can have your ship, build it, fly it, but not too high. In this case a SPACE ship which cant go to SPACE. kinda defeats the point doesnt it ?
Like I buy that movie. its on dvd... I just cant play it on my tv. ever. wtf is the point in that ?! I can have my entertainment, im just not allowed to be entertained by it o.0?
Yes Amazon didnt cause it, but they agreed to it out of greed, to try make money. Even though (if the chap above is right) they can plainly see its the most flawed argument/point/business plan/thought ever!
Amazon = idiots buying into this stupid idea
DRM ppl = assholes, every one.
MPAA etc.= bite me, long live bittorrents. wankers.
/love :P
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Spot on!
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1) make a better mouse trap and we will design a better mouse
Hollywood and all the Fat Cat Execs can spead all their Millions of Dollars to 'Copy Protect' everything they can try to but....IT WON'T WORK! Tell us we can't do something and we will prove you wrong. Go ahead all you rich folks making millions off media...there is millions of 'hackers and crackers' just waiting for a new riddle to crack.
Give us the media or make the price for it so LOW that trying to crack the copy protection would not be worth the time. Look at it like this...at least you are getting some money versuses getting none.
$1 a movie....1 million downloads...you figure it out. I bet for $1 that no one will waste their time to crack protection.
Just think about it...
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Pirating is just payback for getting ripped off
Back when pre-recorded VHS tapes were priced over $100 each, it was worth the cost of buying a second VCR and pirating a tape. When the price dropped to under $20 it wasn't. The studios sold many times more movies for $15 than they ever did for $100 so in the long run they made out like bandits.
The situation with CDs and DVDs is much the same. One good track and eight blah ones for $15, I don't think so. Sure the record companies lost money when Napster and co hit the scene. Get a clue people, there was a recession going on. Everybody lost money. The recession cleared up and -- guess what -- record sales are back up too.
The producers need to lower the price until the consumer doesn't feel like he's getting bent over everytime he walks into a store. -- A big part of the rationalization for pirating is feeling cheated. People aren't natural thieves, but they don't like getting ripped off either, and they will seek retribution, hence pirating. -- Since the unit production cost for discs is even less than with VHS tapes, the volume will make up for the lower unit price.
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That Loud Noise is Apple Sucking the Air out of th
"Honestly, Apple's "free to burn then re-rip, we don't care" policy is the best thing you can have, really. Major label's won't even listen to you without having DRM" - Trey
Rock on, Trey. People sneer at Apple and imply that burning and then re-ripping is somehow some hockey violation Apple frowns on. Sure, Apple seems set on making sure iTunes doesn't work with virtual CD schemes (where ur burning to a special file on your HD pretending its a CD), but for the most part, WYSIWYG. Burn and rip your way to another platform all you like, they don't care. Its about derrance not prevention. --Microsoft on the other hand lets its licensees turn on and off things like "CD burning" for some files and not for others. I can't see myself going for a platform like that... sorry (for those who think "PlaysForSure"="Freedom").
Steve Jobs went for "purchase to own" over "subscribe and bind" for just that reason. I mean, I'm amused that I have a wi-fi network and through iTunes sharing, I can play movies/music from my Mac collection through my PC's iTunes interface. Frickin' rocks is what it does.
DRM critics seem to think digital rights management just popped up out of no where in the last couple of years. I'm no angel. I remember the day I realized my CD copy of Jedi Knight wouldn't work. Or way back when my backup of "Leander" or "Hybris" on my Amiga wouldn't play like the original floppy would. I just shrugged my shoulders and took good care of my media. These days, music and movies are digital, and now due to the ease of copying and transmitting digital data over the Internet, the same issues of copy-protection legitimately come into play. Have software vendors given up on "serial numbers" just because hackers have created patches and serial generators? No. DRM won't stop either.
But, PlaysForSure is a pretty bearish situation that doesn't appeal to me at all. Movies or music... Windows ONLY is not cool. I'm pretty sure given the open nature of PlaysForSure, it will remain much more easier to hack around than FairPlay.
"Look at it like this...at least you are getting some money versuses getting none." - Like Hello!!?!?!
Ha ha ha. That's so fucked up. Create content for me, and sell it to me dirt cheap or I'll rob you. that's just so fucked up.
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The Truth (massive rant for the clueful)
The reason I don't want DRM isn't so I can copy it around and put it on the internet or sell it - it's because I enjoy being able to manipulate the media in any fashion I desire (i.e. make a DVD or put it into a Matroska) and be assured of interoperbility between the devices. I don't care a whit if the movie studios think they should be able to dictate I have to buy a Microsoft Zune - while they try and cripple my usage I will just pirate your movies and you will never be able to stop me.
Further, I entirely dislike the movie studios and television companies releasing their movies in a staggered fashion so I wouldn't otherwise get to enjoy the things I read everyone talking about on the internet from the US where everything is released first.
While these two situations exist I will pirate and not only that, I will pay people who make it easier for me to pirate - even though I'm purely a consumer and will not make any financial gain from my piracy - I won't even share any of it with anyone else on the internet.
Now, if the movie studios actually LISTENED to people like me, intelligent, affluent casual pirates who "steal" purely to consume the product and are WILLING to PAY for the product so long as it's delivered in the same versatile format I can get when I pay a pirate - they'd see an increase in sales amongst some of the people who prop up the serious players in piracy.
We ARE the GENUINE LOST SALES. Leave the STUDENT and unemployed BUMS alone - they will never pay for your stuff because they CANNOT afford to PAY. They are NOT lost sales, but people like me are.
If I buy a stolen car radio the wires are generally cut, it might show slight visible damage and probably has the brackets missing. If I buy a car that was stolen from a show room - it will be exactly the same as a new car. Online medis is the ONLY ITEM where the STOLEN VERSION is BETTER QUALITY than the LEGAL equivilent. I'm SHOCKED the movie studios don't get this. Offer a SERVICE on PAR with the PIRACY enablers (naming no names) and YOU will GET my MONEY instead.
Oh, and to the argument that stealing movies is the same as shop-lifting or stealing car radios oh please - did you really manage to convince yourself that was true? Perhaps on the basis that you have a loss since you would have gained if that person didn't make a copy. From what I know (and I know an awful lot about piracy) this is true perhaps less than 1 in 100 downloads for movies and 1 in 1000 for songs with common people. Also - even in the case you DID lose a sale you didn't LOSE you just didn't GAIN. If someone stole your car radio you'd not only have LOST a car radio (which you already had in the past) you would now have to go and buy another one if you wanted a car radio. This is a highly negative personal emotional experience and not in any way related to you not gaining any of my money which you may otherwise have done.
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