It Was Mrs. Peacock, In The Lounge, With A Text Message
from the CSI:-SMS dept
Information from mobile phones is already a well-established part of the police's forensic arsenal, as location data is commonly used to put criminals at the scene of a crime. But one problem is that location information only establishes a phone was in a particular place, and without corroborating information, it's possible to argue that a certain person may not have had that phone in their possession -- and hence, been somewhere else. In an effort to help investigators better determine who was using a phone at a particular time, in addition to where it was, researchers are now trying to determine ways to detect who wrote a particular SMS. Much like handwriting or linguistic analysis can be used to establish if the same person wrote two particular things, researchers think they can tell whether a group of messages were written by the same person by looking at how certain words are abbreviated, or the way messages are structured and written. While it remains difficult for law-enforcement bodies to intercept text messages in real-time, the growing push for data-retention laws that include them, as well as advances in forensic analysis, will likely make them a much more valuable tool for investigators in the future.
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Data Retention now a good thing?
So data retention wouldn't obscure the problem by throwing more data at it?
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i've said it before, and i'll say it again. even though handwriting can be studied, sms isn't the same
it's an abbreviated language. whereas there are limited ways to abbreviate and talk and whatnot. just like programming, there's a limited ammoount of ways to do something...
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More like linguistics than handwriting
There are certain things text massages do that are based on both usage and which phone is used. For example, I might use one word on my SDA with T9 input disabled (because it's hard to hit the 5 key I might use a different word) versus a RAZR with T9 enabled. For that matter, if you sit someone in an interrigation room for 10 minutes and they use an ucommon woord 15 times, and that same word is in a text message, it's a pretty good bet they sent the message.
Just the same, often the government will make people submit to a typing test. If a criminal sends 5 emails in 5 minutes and a suspect can't get more than 2 done, you can rule them out. The same can be applied to a text message - if a supect either can't type that fast, or simply can't use the phone (i.e. if a RAZR was used but I can't fgure out the menus on a RAZR) then such signs (though completely inadmissable in court) allow the police to rule out suspects even if it doesn't tell them a given person did it.
I think this stuff is a far cry from evidence (though some of it can and probably will be one day). On the other hand, before they used it to aquit OJ Simpson, nobody would've ever considered using the fit (or lack thereof) of a leather glove to prove innosence or guilt of a person on trial for murder. DNA, just the same, wouldn't be admissable now if some lawyer in the early 90's hadn't decided to try it and then have the supreme court uphold it. I'd like to see how this plays into major cases of today (such as Rep. Foley's case if he used text messages). Surely, his attorney is intelligent enough to bring up "someone hacked his computer and sent these messages" as a viable defense. It'll be interesting to see how that plays out.
That, plus wo the hell enters alcohol rehab right before you get acused of being a petphile? Call me stupid, but I'd immagine if someone accused me of that, the first thing I'd do is go get drunk!
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Who am I
I've put plenty of posts up here on Techdirt.
Can you tell me what name I normally post under?
Absofuckinglutely rediculous...
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with txt messaging, it's the same way. most messages aren't more than 20 words. mainly, it's under 10. how can that be a good sample of how a person writes?
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One thread
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no
no results for the one uncommon word there (until this thread is crawled) -- so I guess not. But we'll be watching...
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crap
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Re: Who am I
I think it's hit on the head to say that comparing a short txt message to the content of one's thesis paper is not the same. In most txt messages, people tend to say the same things, and show very little differentiation from each other.
wat r u doin
r u comin home
im in class
wen do u want food
....are samples of text messages really significant enough to really rule anything out? Not to mention, just as they're saying now that people know their phones can be trackable so they do not have them with them when commiting a crime, do you think it's that difficult to knowingly spell a few small words differently? spelling of 4 letter words is not as significant as comparing the actualy characteristics of one's handwriting. I don't believe there is any plausible way to use text "style" to determine much anything...
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What, no mention of "rediculous", which isn't even a word?
I sincerely apologize for turning language nazi, and humbly submit myself to a proper flailing with a dictionary.
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Re: Who am I
Oh, shut up, Dorpus.
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Re: Data Retention now a good thing?
So data retention wouldn't obscure the problem by throwing more data at it?
I think you are confusing "data harvesting" (where the government simply aggregates large amounts of data using automated processes in hopes of finding a pattern that could indicate a crime has occurred, is occurring or may occur in the future) and "evidence" (where a police officer with a warrant has "probable cause" to believe a crime has been committed and now investigating to confirm his suspicion).
Data harvesting is a problem because the idea of simply storing hundreds of terabytes of data in hopes that one day you may need to aggregate that data would be a serious problem. For example.. a federal agent showing up at an ISP and asking them to provide all emails that include the word “terrorist” during the past 5 years. If all emails were retained for 10 years.. then it becomes a technological burden for any ISP to simply search through hundreds of terabytes of email in hopes of finding a single email that would be useful. In this case.. yes.. the needed email would be "obscured by throwing more data at it."
The easier solution would be for the governement to develop technology that helps computers identify possible child porn or terrorist related chatter then store that data until a warrant is secured. I am still not sure if this is even technologically feasable right now but it might be in the future.
Either solution still leaves the probelm of privacy since data is almost ALWAYS abused. (aka: AOL's recent "unintentional" release of personal information through search queries).
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hopefully dumb criminals are easier to catch
shot marvin in face
he ok?
no. dead.
WTF?
chek ur myspace i sent u pix
kewl
can i crash at ur place 2 nite?
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Re: hopefully dumb criminals are easier to catch
Yeah I'm just creeped out in general with the complete ambiguity regarding the "limits" of secure communications via SMS. I'm starting to become of the opinion that the only "secure" information is what's between your ears. Farenhiet 451 anyone??
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I'd be easy to spot
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My wife sends messages that are fairly detailed, use pretty acceptable grammar and spell things out with just the numbers.
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Mrs. Peacock
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I don't think so...
Wasn't it School Ties where someone cheated and they typed the notes instead of handwriting to avoid giving themselves away?
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jonny
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Hi all, I am new here
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