Wii Porn: The Next Great Techno Menace
from the protect-the-children dept
A Dallas area news station has come to the amazing discovery that a broadband connected Wii console, using an Opera browser, can access pornography -- something that is clearly a threat to the children. Packed with the same kind of idiotic fear mongering usually reserved for WiFi hotspot stories, the report alerts its readers that the PS3 and Wii are "compatible with sexually-oriented Web sites," making it "easy for kids to access porn." Obviously these consoles are no different than PCs when it comes to browsing, and kids with lazy parents can already easily access porn on the PC their absentee folks leave unmonitored in their bedroom. The story fails to inform the reader that the Wii comes with fairly robust parental controls, which allow parents to limit browsing to just the Nintendo channels, or disable browsing entirely. The story author seems outraged that porn sites are adapting their content for better viewing on the Wii -- because it's apparently bad to cater to the millions of adults who have a taste for both porn and Zelda. Lazy parents tend to use game consoles as babysitters, so it's probably a real downer they'll now be forced to actually understand the technology they're giving their children.
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News Alert at 6: Can Gaming Consoles Be Used to STEAL WI-FI? Yes, they can! What you need to know to protect yourself, tonight!
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glad television doesn't have this problem
Honest mom, I typed in whitehouse.com
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Most parents aren't part of your sacred industry, and many don't know or would think that a console they bought for Johnny to play tennis on would also have the ability to access "Schindler's Fist".
Get off your high horse. Most people in this world don't always care about the same things you do. Try sympathizing. It'll make you look less like an elitist idiot.
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Stop preaching to the rest of us, we know you have kids, we also know it was YOUR choice to have them.
Last I heard when you choose to have something in your life as complicated and needing of attention, such as children, you also have to be responsible for them. If you can't, or won't, learn about the things you're buying for your kids then it is YOUR fault. Suck it up.
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However, nowhere in the comment I made did I say or imply that I had children. In fact, I don't.
I can't empathize, but that doesn't mean I can't sympathize.
In fact, I sympathize right now for the kids you one day may have.
I can also sympathize with your parents who obviously must be upset with the way things turned out.
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Tell me something, if you leave your child at a daycare wouldn't you expect the daycare providers to know what the children are doing? What the children are looking at? Wouldn't you expect them to know the possible dangers(physical and mental) of any toy or technology(especially game consoles which are now targeting adults) they allow the kids to use? Personally, I would expect the daycare to do all of these things. So why is it that a parent can get away without doing these things? How is it that if a child in a daycare, or other such temporary care, is capable of doing something that society sees as harmful, and the daycare has no knowledge of the child being able to do this it is the temporary care givers fault for not knowing. If the child does it under the care of the parent then it's the companies fault for not warning against the obvious, or the porn companies fault for being there?
Now, on the topic of the article: I agree 100% with the author because the Wii has parental controls, and they are not a hidden feature, the console itself shows many announcements about the controls and how to set them. Plus if a parent gives a child a new "toy" it is their responsibility to know what it can do, and learn to use it so their child cant do things against the rules with it.
I do want to know however why people continue to be amazed that something that can access the internet can access porn. Are people so dumb that they can't understand the concept that the internet has porn?
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Trust me, being a teacher, if I don't understand something that kids have, I'll figure it out or just ask a student.
There's a large responibility, and so what. Everyone has to eventually suck it up in their life. So unless they want their kid having fun with his 'wii', then they should understand the possiblities that are available.
Sure, I can't imagine my arm being ripped off. Obviously, but there's different versions of parenting.
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Anything that a parent is going to give to one of their children, they should in turn have taken the time to find out what the potential dangers are of that device/technology.
These consoles are not created *solely* for use by children, therefore it should not be the responsibility of the manufacturer to 'dummy down' the technology to be 'safe' for Johnny to play table tennis on.
I don't think that Karl's stance is a high horse at all; parents should take the time to learn about such technologies - and what they're capable of - prior to giving them to their children.
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I am not on either side of this issue. I think you're right about not placing responsibility on the manufacturer to limit the product they sell. Their goal is to make money, and nothing else. I cannot blame them.
I however also cannot blame a parent from somewhere in the Midwest of America who saved up every paycheck for the past 3 months to try to bring a smile to their child's face on Christmas morning. They may not have any idea that such things are even capable, and therefore wouldn't even think of asking.
And even if they did ask, I doubt the lady at Wal-Mart has the knowledge to inform anyone.
My beef is with those (like Karl) who comment like everyone should be as "smart" as he is.
Personally, my kudos goes to the kids that hacked the machine.
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Step 1) Turn on Wii
Step 2) Get Opera browser
Step 3) Visit pr0notube.com
Step 4) ?????
Step 5) PROFIT!
And if parents are too dumb to stop their kids from getting pr0n on their Wii, then they shouldn't get mad when they find their kid spankin the monkey in the living room. They should just stand there and think, "Wow, modern technology sure is confusing! Good thing Bobby knew how to set up our router, our firewall, and his own Wii. He EARNED that sick Japanese fetishist pr0n!"
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Parents should "force themselves" to know and understand about everything their kids gets involved in, be that who they are hanging out with,where they are hanging out, if that weekend at a friends house will be supervised, is that movie suitable,is their first car safe, does the fact that gaming console connects to the internet mean the can access the WHOLE internet so forth
And then with that information make informed judgements on what is suitable for their child.
If they stick their heads in the sand then the number one culprit when something goes wrong is themselves
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It should be a crystal CLEAR warning to anyone these days what access to the internet means.
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Yes, let's force the corporations and public internet to cave to regulations because some parents don't feel they should be held responsible for the actions of their children.
Let's force the government to be our kids nanny. Yeah, that'll work. ...and our taxes won't raise to unbelievable proportions because of it.
Dude, get a clue. Parents have a responsibility to educate themselves. It's a sacrifice, it takes effort, and it takes commitment. Anyone not willing to do those things for their children simply should not be having them.
It *is* that simple. I have 3 of them. You do what it takes. Classes, parenting organizations, PTA, school sponsored events, whatever. It is not the job of business, government, or anyone else to raise my children, and frankly, I deeply resent any suggestion of the contrary.
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Forget about parents for a moment
"This just in! Leaving your home in the morning for work could become fatal!"
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I thought people with no imagination was the same people looking at porn.
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I'm sorry.
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Exactly. The owners of most game consoles are Adults! These things arent designed primarily for kids anymore.
I actually sent this letter to the storywriter when I saw the article yesterday:
While its good to educate parents that any internet connected device, game consoles included, can generally be used to access porn in one way or another, it's very misinformed of that mother to say that the adult industry "tricks and targets kids into learning too much, too fast.".
The average video game player is age 33!! Source: http://www.theesa.com/facts/top_10_facts.php. The basic assumption that since some adult sites cater their material to video game devices means they are trying to "lure kids in" is totally false. The average gamer is the adult industry's target demographic, so it only makes sense that adult content is going to make its way to video game devices.
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most game systems that play DVD's come that way. often, you can't undo it.
i have a ps2 and an xbox and i have to do some sort of parent code thing every time i put in a dvd that isn't rated G. talk about annoying. thankfully i don't have to do that with games.
children cause so freakin much trouble for the rest of us, if you ask me life would be better if we banned them instead of all the vices that might have the possibility of somehow harming a child without responsible parents.
sure, i'll miss the two kids that i have, but if it stops all this "think of the children" garbage, it's a scarifice i am willing to make.
we could send people around to round them up, like stray dogs. we could ban them in public places, like airplanes, restaurants, and movie theaters.
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Most people...
If you don't want to exercise parental responsibility, then you shouldn't become parents.
It takes time and effort to be a good parent. But most people are too lazy to even consider that.
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that is hilarious
Just go on believing porn is cool and you came from a monkey, and evolution make complete sense. Maybe there will be a problem with spouses getting beat because they won a game. Would you say beatting ok just not with the Wii controller.
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Uhh, yes. By definition it does.
>>Just go on believing porn is cool and you came from a monkey, and evolution make complete sense. Maybe there will be a problem with spouses getting beat because they won a game. Would you say beatting ok just not with the Wii controller.
I have no idea what the hell that meant.
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Isn't it?
>and you came from a monkey,
I didn't, you may have but I know I didn't. It's patently obvious that monkeys and apes are two completely seperate evolutionary tracks.
>and evolution make complete sense.
Certainly does, quite a deal more than creation you simpleton.
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Rubbish. By the time I hit school I had a right arm like Popeye.
"compatible with sexually-oriented Web sites," making it "easy for kids to access porn."
This is the sales pitch not the commentry Karl. Kids today have it too easy.
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Get off the sofa
Maybe it would open up something called communication.
You know communication is. It is the thing you blame your boss for not doing with you.
(get the hint)
If you do not know how the game / technology works just ask your kids.
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PSP porn
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O...M...F...G...
The PARENTS need to start taking some control and responsibility in teaching their kids what is wrong and what is right. The PARENTS need to get a little I.T. savvy and start realizing that all they need to do is purchase a Router that has parental controls on it, and then they can restrict their kids to whatever website they want with those parental controls.
If they want to get their kids electronic hardware with web access, then PARENTS need to start learning a bit about how to control the access.
But of course, it's always better to blame the device and not the user right?
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It is stupid
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Not really, one of the biggest markets (if not biggest) these days in gaming is Male, 20 to 35, which i would say is probably the biggest market for porn as well
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some people...
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stop the nonsense about the kids....
;)
oohh, now the kids can't read techdirt anymore, they might be infested with evil thoughts
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It ain't the parents
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It'll be coming (no pun intended) soon.
Anything that can used for sex will be used for sex more than for any other use, regardless of its intended purpose.
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an educational video
Here's to the 8th generation of gaming consoles!!!
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Pron
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ummm.... It does come with a users guide. I think most parents can read if they want to. It's not to hard to flip through the manual before you hook the system up to the internet and see what its capabilities are.
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PSP
Reminds me of being in EB the other day. Two 13ish guys go to the counter with an "M" rated game. Clerk says he can't sell it to them. Kid asks if he can call his dad for permission. Clerk say "ok". Someone is on the kids cell phone (presumably father). Clerk takes phone and says that kid is attempting to purchase an "M" rated game. Father doesn't ask ANY questions...name of game, reason for rating...nothing. Just says "yeah, ok. Let him buy it."
Parenting via cell phone...one of the great unintended consequences of technology.
Kind like the line from the Breakfast Club...
--"One of these days these kids are going to be taking care of you."
--"Don't count on it."
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Lazy Parents
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Blah Blah Blah Parents.
This from a site that has articles about sensationalized headlines with no facts, the wrong facts, etc. Articles that talk about studies only seeing half the problem or not doing things right. Sheese talk about your half truths.
So Karl, how many lazy parents we talking here? Also, define Lazy while your answering that.
I love these posts where parents are the root of evil in these cases because they didn't police their kids. This article should be about the idiot who sensationalized this ridiculous subject and it started that way. Your problem, as I see it Karl, is your too lazy to finish the article with some real thought and decided to blame the parents instead.
With kids it all comes down to free will. Kids can not be policed 24 hours a day 7 days a week. Not anywhere by anyone. Kids will do what kids want. If they have been raised decently they will usually do the right thing. But with kids, there is a lot of social pressure or peer pressure from other kids. That pressure and a need to belong can do strange things to the smartest most level headed kid in the world, turn him/her into part of the crowd, gang, whatever.
Tell me this, what did you do that your parents never saw or knew about? I did quite a few things. Doesn't mean my parents were bad or lazy. It just means I was.
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Re: Blah Blah Blah Parents.
I was blessed with wonderful parents - always wanted to know what was going on with me, never missed a school concert or sports game, the works. And my dad even made it a point to know more about computers than I did for most of my teenage years! Nevertheless, I ended up doing lots of stuff they wouldn't be proud of. But they tried their best. Any parent who doesn't at least *try* (in this particular case, by setting the damn parental control) is doing a disservice to their children, and to blame the manufacturers or the porn vendors is ridiculous.
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My Opinion is:
If you're a parent, it is your responsibility to look after your child! Surpriiiise! :D If you don't like that, well tough! Get used to it! The world isn't going to suddenly make a change because you "just can't understand that kind of technology".
People who don't even try to understand what they're getting thier kids should be shown no mercy when it comes to scathing comments. Learn or burn! Once you lose the ability to adapt, you're already dead.
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Wii web browsing and child-friendly
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OH COME ON KARL!
In general, those using FUD as a weapon or as fuel to a fire start by MISREPORTING THE FACTS. You can't even get it straight within your own story. Come on! Let's review:
A) "Obviously these consoles are no different than PCs when it comes to browsing..."
-vs.-
B) "The story fails to inform the reader that the Wii comes with fairly robust parental controls, which allow parents to limit browsing to just the Nintendo channels, or disable browsing entirely."
Statement (A) is patently proven false by statement (B).
Take a look at what Nintendo offers for Parental Controls on the link below, and THEN show me where I can set that up on my PC. On IE, on Firefox, on Opera, or on Safari on my Mac. Nope. Can't freakin' do it. BECAUSE THE WII *GASP!* IS NOT A PC OR A MAC. IT'S A WII.
Pay close attention, Karl. I'm not calling you stupid. I'm not calling you a liar. I'm not calling you incompetent. I'm not calling you ignorant of the facts. I'm just saying the facts as you present themselves CONTRADICT THEMSELVES. Whether you consider yourself a blogger, a reporter, or whatever, CONTRADICTING FACTS DISCREDIT YOUR OWN IMAGE AND, BY ASSOCIATION, YOUR ORGANIZATION WHICH IS TECHDIRT.
Please try to do better.
Link to Parental Controls info on Nintendo's site:
http://www.nintendo.com/consumer/systems/wii/en_na/settingsParentalControls.jsp
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Re: OH COME ON KARL!
in IE6: click tools|internet options|content
look under the "content advisor" section and click on the "enable" button. then choose the stuff you want to block. the defualt tolerance level is 0, which means it blocks pretty much everything in the following categories:
language
nudity
sex
violence
there don't appear to be controls built into the default install of firefox and i have never used opera... so i would imagine that you shouldn't install those on a PC you want your kids to use unless you have a plugin or some other application to do it for you.
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Sorry to burst your bubble but that only works if the websites in question rate themselves - if a site does not rate itself it will go right through
Not trying to be a smart arse but just in case anyone is relying on this feature to protect their kids
PT - spot on the sensationalist news media are the baddies - half investigated or half reported 'news' is responsible for a lot - they could have used this as a chance to educate people as to a danger and it’s solution but instead went for sensationalism - bastards!
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"Sorry to burst your bubble but that only works if the websites in question rate themselves - if a site does not rate itself it will go right through"
No, sorry to burst YOUR bubble. You can also set IE to block UNRATED content as well as any other content - bitch...
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Parental Control = Lawsuit
Firstly to those in the post who obviously think no one is allowed an opinion on this unless they have kids, I am a parent
Yeah I'm not comfy with the idea of my kids accessing porn but yeah I am familiar with the idea that it is my role and the role of anyone I designate as a carer (teachers etc) to ensure that I do as much as possible to limit it if I decide this is required
Nintendo are not to blame for the internet and all they did was give access to it from their console - no doubt a great selling point and one which they will have to do to compete with 360 and PS (which can access the internet and can access porn)
If Nintendo were to limit the internet to only 'child-friendly' sites as a default the only way the could guarentee this would be to only allow access to sites run by them or licensed by them
Exactly the same people as in this post would be on another one complaining about Nintendo restricting competition unfairly - in much the same way as MS is shouted down every time they bundle a browser/spyware/anything with their OS
Maybe Nintendo should release two versions in clearly marked boxes – ‘Parental Control activated’/‘Parental Control de-activated’
On the other hand maybe we as parents should take enough interest in our kids to read an instruction manual or find stuff out?
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The Lawyers cometh...
It amazes me how everyone thinks the internet is somehow magically childproof (I'm channeling Maddox here. I know there are smart people on earth but we both know there are idiots around so don't yell at me for generalizing) and they don't have to worry about a dam thing and are free of monitoring their kids while their on the internet in any and I mean ANY form. It just doesn't work like that! The internet is almost like rock and roll was, old people hate it since its new and threatens their way of life. All I can think of right now is those "Spay and neuter your pets today!" commercials, except now I want to do them to morons contributing to the moron population.
To the parents that actually try and raise a kid, good on ya and good luck. Just remember they'll know more about technology than you if you only LET them. Just because you're from before the internet was made don't mean you cant learn about it. So learn, live, and get on their butts the moment they start putting in odd entries on the browser history. Sadly I bet most of the "Parents" reading this wont have a clue what I meant by that.
Kinda sad when you think about it. The Internet, possibly mankind's greatest invention, linking ideas, ideals, information, and people together. And what the hell is it used for? Finding BOOBIES!! Man talk about ruining something that could've benefited mankind as a whole.
Footnote:I'm talking about the internet itself and not the way or shape its accessed be it PC, or now the "Unholy Wii". Now that my 2 cents are in, I'm gone.
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"If you don't want to exercise parental responsibility, then you shouldn't become parents.
It takes time and effort to be a good parent. But most people are too lazy to even consider that."
Hear, hear.
To all the whiners complaining that they just can't possibly monitor everything their kids do/see/hear/go/play with/hang out with/...
FUCK YOU!
You may not want to believe this, and as incomprehesible it may be to your stunted, stupid, lazy minds THE WORLD DOES NOT REVOLVE AROUND YOUR KIDS. In the words of George Carlin...
"And I also know that all you boring single dads and working moms, who think you're such fucking heros, aren't gonna like this, but somebody's gotta tell you for your own good: your children are overrated and overvalued, and you've turned them into little cult objects. You have a child fetish, and it's not healthy. And don't give me all that weak shit, "Well, I love my children." Fuck you! Everybody loves their children; it doesn't make you special. John Wayne Gacy loved his children. Yes, he did. That's not what I'm talking about. What I'm talking about is this constant, mindless yammering in the media, this neurotic fixation that suggests that somehow everything--everything--has to revolve around the lives of children. It's completely out of balance. "
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I'll raise your George Carlin with a Bill Hicks
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ok, yeah, parents should know what their kids do, but it is impossible to know evereything about your kids. that being said, it's understandable if parents aren't complete informed with the constant changing tech world. however that's no excues to cry wolf.
and it's not the tech sector's job to shelter the most "morally justified" child/family. however, they can't ignore a concern factor. the preset/pre-open parent locks aren't much help. these comewith system passwords, and "should" be changed upon startup of the system. but these system passwords are usually given in the manual, so any kid could bypass them. so it takes 40 seconds longer to get to your game the first time. big whoop.... so you have instant access to the game first time...big whoop. just change it to the settings.
with this being said, it's not 100% up to one side. i will claim that parents should hold most of the burden of protecting their children, however the tech companies can't be ignorant of the fact either. (i will guess that most companies aren't ignorant, it's just that they make their "protection" limited as to not upset their major audience/demographic)
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if you look at the titles that nintendo has for their system compared to others, there is probably twice as many G rated games than first person shooters. so i do think that nintendo has a little more responsibility to take their audience into consideration when creating parental controls/filters than the 360 or PS3.
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hmm, what a new idea!!!
1.) Prevent them from going into puberty by having their pituitary gland removed (only they then have hormonial problems and are screwed up for the rest of their life)
2.) Put electrodes in their pants (around their wii) and hook it up to a computer which is hooked up to their brain. Every time they get aroused (which you can tell by scanning a certain area of the brain) it shocks the hell out of it
3.) Cut it off (your child will hate you for the rest of his life though)
4.) Be a good parent and talk to your kids, and install something that allows you to monitor what they look at online. It also helps to have the computer and their wii in a very visible spot. You can also limit when their internet connection is active (in the router) so it is only on when you are home or when you want it to be on. (the only problem is that your neighbors will probably have an un-protected wireless network which your child can use)
Oh yeah, to whoever posted the internet is for porn song, from Avenue Q, that animation dose it no justice, you have to see the show (The song used to be on youtube, but you know they pulled it down...)
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In IE6, you cna prevent access to aunrated sites: this assumes that sites will rate themselves appropriately. THe crooks running*.da.ru are unlikely to care about lying about the rating. (sorry to denigrate all russian comercial websites, but I would be prepard to bet that every site which is primarily in english in the entirre domain is porn, gambling, or what the *AAs call piracy, and mostly the first)
SInce before the IE 4 Quick Course book, which I found lying around once and flicked through, there have been warnings (amusingly put, they seem to be trying to be chld-friendly themselves) about web content. THat was ten years ago.
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Blocking
How many .ru sites does your kid need to see?
You can block everything except *.edu if you want.
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That's no child.
Look at http://www.kotaku.com/gaming/wii-porn/potential-pun-overload-as-web-porn-sizes-up-to-nintendos-wii-2 25582.php
for the original quote. Let's write to the editor-in-chief and get this person reprimanded for completely distoring information to fit a story.
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I second the motion!
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HAH
This is no more different than having your compuetr online 24/7 in your own houshold.
Kids can still access porn without a damn wii. Don't blame the system, blame the parents stupid enough to let thier kdis browse the internet when they are not home.
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Awesome.
Thank you, sweet jesus.
And here's some other thoughts, you've no doubt, met someone who knows what the hell he's doing around a PC, you could allways hire a friend to come in and batton down the hatches. PC techs arn't exactly hard to find now days and most of them know thier way around a low level router, and some cheap parental controls.
This way you can continue to leave the console as a baby sitter and you STILL don't have to learn anything. Glorious!
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