Will Sony's Apparent Anti-Porn Stance Doom Blu-Ray?
from the there'll-be-none-of-that-on-my-discs dept
The ridiculous fight over next-generation DVD formats rolls on, with companies trying to push dual-mode solutions that merely skirt around the issue, rather than resolving it. We'd sort of assumed in the past that whichever format the porn industry decided to support would emerge victorious, but studios said a little while back they weren't picking a side yet. However, it now looks like that decision's being made for them, as apparently Sony won't allow Blu-ray to be used for porn (via Techmeme). A porn director says that he'd wanted to use Blu-ray, but couldn't find a disc manufacturer willing to work with his company, apparently because they were afraid Sony would revoke their Blu-ray licenses because it doesn't want the format used for porn. If the story's true, it seems a bit short-sighted of Sony to close itself off from porn, given that industry's historical strength in supporting new technologies, and could tip things in favor of HD DVD. Of course, at the end of the day, both formats leave plenty to be desired. Update: Another story finds some other porn producers who prefer HD DVD for a number of other reasons as well.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Seriously, Sony can't even get the obvious choices right lately.
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GOOD FOR SONY
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GOOD FOR SONY
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Keep your fingers crossed.
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those who don't learn history doomed to repeat...?
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I dont understand.
I thought thats how most the them "produced" them anyway?
Hell I will start a company that will make them for whole dam industry!
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http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070112-8602.html
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Talk about 2 faced
Can you say 2 faced hipocritical money grubbers???
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The lesson to be learned...
"If you wan't to know what caused the internet to proliferate as fast as it has or who are the early adopters of most new technologies, look no further than the porn industry."
After thinking about it a bit, the guy was spot on. The porn industry (for better or worse) have really been the driving force by pushing the boundaries of internet capacity and capability, and also latching on to a lot of technologies very early in the game. Why, as a business person, would you even consider alienating a community like this?
Also, does Sony plan on censoring all the Blue Ray DVDs that can come out because if so, they aren't going to have many disks out there!
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History Repeating
I'm beginning to think that these arbitrary decisions are set up just so the corporations can sue people, thereby winning big profits. Perhaps that's a good way of adding to the bottom line!
Come to think of it the RIAA is doing the same... Hm.
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Yes
I see a pattern here.
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Re: The lesson to be learned...
Technology is driven by clever people like you, with wonderful imaginations, and by people who believe they can do the impossible. We dont need pornography to drive anything. In fact Im thoroughly convinced we can all get along very well, even better without it. I dont know if SONY is acting on that, but whatever they are acting on, I am certain it shall benefit us all now and in the long run.
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In the end its all about money and what people will pay for. If people by HD DVD because it has porn and its cheaper even if Blue-Ray is better, HD DVD will be the format that will survive. The Market will determine this because there are two things people want low cost and sex.
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Jeff is mistaken
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Either way: You scare me.
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Re: Re: The lesson to be learned...
Thanks for the compliment. As it was said already I wasn't endorsing pornography as a medium, just it's impact on the progress of technology. As an aside I find the proliferation of porn a bit scary at times and wonder how so many different porn sources can be profitable. I try not to be a hypocrite, and I believe everyones decision to partake or not in pornographic media is their own. Given the revenue and the ubiquitous nature of porn I would say plenty of people have chosen to partake.
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PS your name isnt really bumbling old fool is it? Perhaps "concerned caring individual" would be a better moniker" Just a suggestion no offense intended.
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wont matter
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This is only clouding the issue.....
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SONY seems to have tried for another source of early adopters- gamers by including a BLU-RAY in the PS3. If they pull it off so much the better.
If I understood what I heard on Security Now correctly SONY can retroactively disable liscences on both players and disks. If they really want to stop porn and cheese off users they can.
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Blu-Ray and porn
It's really a pretty simple equation:
- Sony is pushing a new, expensive game console that includes a Blu-Ray drive.
- Sony is counting on Japanese gamers to buy the PS3 in droves. If this doesn't happen, the PS3 fails.
- Japanese game enthusiasts -- also known as otaku -- are infamously fond of sexually explicit material.
- Ergo, Blu-Ray and porn go together like sushi and wasabi.
When did Sony become filled with idiots? That used to be a pretty smart, savvy company.
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control of production
In the mid 1990s it was impossible to find a volume fabrication plant in the UK who would press discs from non PRS/MCPS members. They had no legal capacity or justification whatsoever to do this, but despite that they formed a closed shop with excessive barriers to the small producer. Ostensibly this was chalked up as "anti-piracy" measures. But even if you clearly owned the rights to the material and were prepared to sign an affidavit declaring your ownership that was not enough, they basically bullied you into joining their protection racket.
In the end I found that it was only possible to get the services needed by going to Eastern Europe where the Hungarians or Czechs could offer you business, and then filling out lots of paperwork to make sure one didn't get highly taxed on your own product.
If you are an independent movie or music maker do you think that you can just walk into a DVD manufacturing company with your masters and cover artwork and order 100,000 copies? No way. The disc manufacture business is sewn up tight by the same old monopolistic consortiums.
This is one of the hidden and least discussed reasons behind the demise of the CD and the migration to online distribution. Smaller producers have been denied the right to access the raw physical media.
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Porn may just be an "indicator species"
Pornography producers are often early adopters and the same market forces and economics that lead them to use certain technologies may also ring true for later adopters. So, it could well be the case that the technology porn producer's use is chosen for sound reasons and those reasons are borne out by the rest of the market.
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scate's go it
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the main question is why do we even care?
So who cares...that proprietary crap isn't going to survive in a world where everything can be made available to us for almost free.
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Re: the main question is why do we even care?
Are you referring to the defunct FMD-ROM or is there a NEW technology out that I have not heard of yet?
'Tis truly sad that FMD-ROM didn't make it to market, it would have prevented this entire format war in a nanosecond.
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Sony death watch?
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screw SONY
just in name alone, HD-DVD makes more sense than Blu-Ray, which is a lame name. but i think Sony will make sure that Blu-Ray fails.
as for media, my computer is already the center of all my media, for television, movies, music, etc. of course, i still output content to televisions, but it's more about the internet being my preferred method of content delivery over any other form. screw other forms of delivery, the internet is king for media content, you can get it all there.
now i just need faster broadband to start getting live streaming HD content and i'll be all set.
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Another whiff of gunsmoke and sore feet for Sony
VHS, tecnically an inferior product won the day rather than the better specification product - why? Simple, that was the format that most porn was on - by far.
Early adopters have no hang-ups about buying / renting porn - just as they didn't have back in the days of the VHS / Betamax war.
If all the porn is coming out on HD-DVD and nothing out on Blu-ray, then it would take an incredibly brave (or foolish) person now to think Blu-Ray stands a chance of becoming the standard.
This decision by Sony I suspect will be seen - within days - to be pivotal to the sales of machines.
Mark
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Porn facts
Video Game sales in 2005 = $15B
Do not underestimate the power of the porn industry. I may not be a huge fan of porn or consumer, but when I talk to people about my 65" HDTV, the first question they ask is "what does a porn movie look like on it?" I am willing to bet that with falling HDTV prices, those who do consume a lot of DVD porno (rental or purchase) will be lining up to grab HD DVD players for the newer porn releases.
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Blinde by blue rays
Nevertheless, sometimes instead of a format war with a clear winner, two formats survive. Like DVD-R and DVD
R. It all depends on whether there will be cheap dual-format burners and stand-alone-players. And, most important, firmwares that remove all DRM from the drives. Then, and ONLY then, the formats could survive. The people in the top floors of Toshiba, Sony, etc. should hope and pray that some criminal nerd will hack their firmwares as soon as possible, because that would boost the sales of their formats/hardware.
Porn and hacked firmwares are what actually decides format wars.
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BOICOT TO ALL SONY PRODUCTS TO SEND IT OUT OF SUSI
BOICOT TO ALL SONY PRODUCTS TO SEND IT OUT OF SUSINESS!!!
I will never ever buy any Sony product in my life and will try my family and friends do the same.
We much teach Sony that there are things that they are not allowed to do!!!
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Re: Talk about 2 faced
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This really is a joke right?
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Re: Porn facts
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To Punkass
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