Surprise: People Don't Want To Be Implanted With RFID Chips
from the veribad dept
Last week we mentioned that the long-awaited IPO of VeriChip, the maker of implantable RFID chips, was finally set to go off, despite the company's poor business prospects. In fact, saying the company has poor business prospects might be a bit of an understatement. According to regulatory filings, the company has a grand total of 222 patients, giving it a total of $100,000 in revenue. Yes, it seems that there aren't many people out there who are eager to implant themselves with an RFID chip. And this is just the beginning of the company's woes. The company's technology comes from an exclusive license with its parent company, Digital Angel, but if it doesn't do a certain level of business, it could lose this license. In light of these problems, as well as its history of squabbling with the FDA, it's no surprise that the stock is trading below its already reduced offering price.
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well, not to mention...
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I'd do it if....
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good for...
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Re: I'd do it if....
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Please Give me a hand
Now...hold out your hand...
Whammy!
Hand be gone, after one fell swoop with a hatchet, not only are you bleeding profusely...but I stole your car, phone, and emptied your bank account for you.
Laziness FTW!
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Re: I'd do it if....
I would rather have to type, swipe, or insert and turn. I don't ever want to have to depend on some flimsy little RFID implant for such important things.
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Verichip
1. The back of the right hand
2. Under the scalp.
Type VeriChip or Mondex in your search bar and see what it pulls up. Read all the information you can find before you think of doing such a thing. For those who refuse to believe, IT IS THE MARK OF THE BEAST! I'm not kidding.
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It takes time
But sooner or later, it happens.
Think of bar codes (also hailed as the mark of the beast, since the begin, middle and end double bars read 666), and then credit cards, and buying online - now even the baby boomers do it.
This one will take longer - several years. Will take a very long time to win me over - in the hands of a corrupt government a chip like that makes me extremely vulnerable.
But over time, a growing number of people will find benign uses, and use will trickle in - eventually you'll even know of a few people have it (like one used to freeze at the thought of injecting dead people's skin into your face, and now you think, hmmm, the neighbour does look quite good - not that bad, after all) - eventually a few celebrities will speak out about the convenience and how much sense it makes :-)
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The answer to a lot of problems
I am telling you, if we have 1 or 2 more terrorist attacks on US soil, people will line up to take this chip, or it will be mandated in order to keep track of everyone...
Oh it is coming... Get ready!!!
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This is something that I am going to look into. I know I am not alone out there.
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several things
Second - as far as this being the answer to a lot of problems, and simply taking time, consider what it solves. It is a poor substitute for much more advanced bio-identification readers. Already we can read finger prints, the iris of the eye, and the one structure in the palm of your hand. All of these are currently production technologies. The only one that has much attack is the finger print scanner, but even that doesn't offer the ease of RFID.
Third - it does make sense for pets. You can't take a dog's finger print. They won't cooperate with an iris scanner. In short, there is no easy biometric id system for them. Also, anyone familiar with dogs can point out major differences between their skin structure and human skin structure. Theirs is much looser then ours. And if we had skin like theirs, then perhaps more shots would be painless.
Fourth - RFID remains to be hacked and exploited. Already there is a press release on the internet claiming to be able to clone the Verichip. Even if wrong, it is a matter of time. And once it is injected, it isn't easily removed (the whole point). But it is easily fooled since I can tape a clone chip in close proximity to where the real one is expected.
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Not unless they pass REAL close to a scanner it won't be
NS is right the charge RFID uses comes from the sending field (thats why your RFID door fob at work never needs batteries replacing)
To work at ranges in excess of a few yards this either requires a very large RFID tag or a VERY large reader
The only sensible applications for a chip in your hand would be opening doors and using ATMs etc - so no don't go chipping your kids just yet ;0)
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I did it
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Mark of the Beast?
The mark of the beast was simply coming under the rule of the roman cesar. Where did they come up with the Mark on the hand and the head?
That is because it is a replacement of the Mark of God. The mark of God is on the hand and the head.
I personally don't want the chip and won't take it in my body because it doesn't belong there. Nothing foreign belongs in my body. I also have not seen anything that says it has to go in the hand or under the scalp. I have seen people get it in their upper arm.
So I think someone made that part up.
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Re: Verichip
1. The back of the right hand
2. Under the scalp
3. Any other hand, foot, buttock, arm, nose, belly button or any other part of the body.
Come on, Ceaser was the beast, get over it.
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Really?
http://www.snopes.com/business/alliance/barcode.asp
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Re: Verichip
It can be put anywhere, I remember articles on two of their patients that are in the arm.
Go thump your bible elsewhere.
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Re: The answer to a lot of problems
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tom
Only a fool would accept one as it would let the governement track you easier and 2.. i can only imagine how great life would be for hackers after this occurs.
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Wristband?
*Or* instead of having the chif implanted into your body, you could simply have a silicone wristband with the exact same chip in it.
Fewer health risks; no chance of having your arm chopped off; no problem if something goes wrong with the chip; and a perfect solution to any privacy concerns (you can take off a wristband, you can't take off your arm so easily).
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It wont help you find kidnapped people or lost pets.
It's for swiping your hand or whichever in close proximity to a reciever that's less than 10 meters away. The range is directly dependent on the size of the chip and there's a limit to how big your implant can be.
You'd need a network of recievers and hope one reports the detection... but you wont be going around with your tricorder homing in on the lost pet.
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short range/long range and the Big Brother concern
I like the whiz-bang killer apps of RFID as much as anyone else does, but there are so many civil rights and security issues waiting to happen here that I can't support the technology. A somewhat radical (take it with a grain of salt) but very informative look at the subject can be found at http://www.spychips.org.
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Worst. Idea. Ever.
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THings that make you go . . .
No chips in my body unless they are by Frito-Lay :D
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stick it
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Bad idea
This goes for those keyfobs you can get now too. Whose ingenious idea is that? Lose your keys, hand someone all your money. Or, just have someone walk by you on the street with an RFID scanner in their pocket.
Not commonplace now? It will be. Just wait and see. Thieves never had it so easy as they will if this business continues. Especially thieves who live in NYC.
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Besides using it to track a child when they are abducted does not work very well. The process by which the data is sent from the chip to the reader is extremely slow. Not to mention that most law enforcement agencies have not gotten a hold of this technology because of its high cost. Come on people, do your research.
Also, do you really think that only the good guys can get in touch with this technology. Please. If they can steal people's identities by hacking into computer systems they can certainly find a way to steal you or child's identities. Actually, it would be easier. All the info is on the chip.
So if you are talking about child abduction, think about this. A child molestor/murderer buys a reader that is compatible with the chip. (There are websites out there that list compatible readers and chips.) The person can now not only know where you child lives but can track their movements. That is terrifying scenario. They can use it on the dead but it is not so useful for the living. When you look at it that way, its not so appealing.
Instead, why don't parent's get off their cell phones, shut off their laptops and blackberrys and watch your kids. Quit being lazy and pay attention to what's going on around you. Common sense, come on now.
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RFID is in fact the mark of the beast.
Although the Bible is difficult to understand for some, pick it up and read the book of Revelation it explains how everything will end up.
When you read this book you can take it literally because the red letters are true words of Jesus.
A little wisdom: the beast is the Coat of Arms symbol and the red dragon represents England. Rev 13
The Word of God does not change. Keep this in mind as this becomes more and more accepted in society and popular with VIP's... you do have your own freewill.
He said in a loud voice, "Fear God and give him glory, because the hour of his judgment has come. Worship Him who made the heavens , the earth, the sea and the springs of water."
"A third angel followed them and said in a loud voice: If anyone worships the beast and his image and receives his mark on the forehead or on the hand, he too, will drink of the wine of God's fury, which has been poured full strength into the cup of his wrath. He will be tormented with burning sulfur in the presence of the holy angels and of the Lamb. And the smoke of their torment rises for ever and ever. There is no rest day or night for thoses who worship the beast and his image, or for anyone who receives the mark of his name. This calls for patient endurance on the part of the saints who obey God's commandments and remain faithful to Jesus".
Revelation 14:7,9-12
We're closer to eternity than you think.
The Lord is not slow about His promise, as some count slowness, but is patient towards you, not wishing for any to perish but for all to come to repentance. 2 Peter 3:9
BTW Wisconsin is the first state trying to pass a bill that RFID embedding Not be forced on humans dead or alive.
http://nl.newsbank.com/nl-search/we/Archives?p_multi=DU|&p_product=DU&p_theme=du&a mp;p_action=search&p_maxdocs=200&s_site=duluth&s_trackval=DU&p_text_search-0=mandato ry%20AND%20chip%20AND%20wisconsin%20AND%20state%20AND%20law&s_dispstring=mandatory%20chip%20wisc onsin%20state%20law%20AND%20date(all)&xcal_numdocs=20&p_perpage=10&p_sort=_rank_:D&x cal_ranksort=4&xcal_useweights=yes
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In the words of Kennedy
'Be as man was born to be, Free and Independent'
Quite frankly I am more worried by some of your attitudes then by the threat of being chipped. COME ON! We will never eradicate crime no matter how disgusting or evil it may be. It's time to accept that the price of becoming tracked by Government leads to far more dark places then a 1 in 1000000 chance of getting stabbed. Better the devil you know!
The best way to limit crime is to come from a place of love and compassion and not attempt to adress the issue by denying our fundamental human rights. That my friends is fear, and it's insidious and will eventually if not replaced by love destroy humankind and then I ask, what future will your children have then?
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The mark of the beast
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RFID CHIP or BETTER YET THE MARK OF THE BEAST
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RFID CHIP or BETTER YET THE MARK OF THE BEAST
New International Version. 16 He also forced everyone(THIS IS IF YOU DONT TAKE IT FREELY. PLEASE DONT TAKE THE CHIP (RFID) ITS JUST WHAT satan WOULD LIKE US ALL TO DO. FOR YOU WILL BURN IN HELL FOR EVER IF YOU TAKE IT. AND THERE IS NO TURNING BACK AFTER YOU TAKE IT.)small and great, rich and poor, free and slave,to receive a mark,(RFID)on his right hand or on his forehead, 17 so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark,(RFID) which is the number of his name.18 This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, let him calculate the number of the beast,for it is mans's number. His number is 666(RFID). There is no stopping this from coming forth it is GODS WORDS, and HIS WORDS DO NOT LIE. Wether we like to hear this or not, it will come to past, it must so that Christ can retun for his people. We(all His saints)will be gone before this takes place. That is when the mark or this chip (RFID) comes to the point we all have to take it,(goverment will make it a law) or die for not taking it because that is what will happen if we do not take this chip, mark RFID. Well here it is just another truth about GODS WORD.SEE HIS WORDS WILL LIVE FOREVER. AND ALL SCRIPTURES WILL COME TO PAST. IF anyone would like to MAKE IT INTO HEAVEN, just ask CHRIST into your heart and repent of all your sins and mean it, and he will come into your heart and you will make it into heaven and live fore ever and ever. GOD BLESS YOU ALL
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I Refuse These chips and real id:
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I'm happy
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Im Not Taking It!
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A piece of my 13 year old mind (stupid invention)
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Damn the super families! Rockafellas! Rothchild!
Nothing could grow without it, no plants, no oxygen, no life. If humans are made up of 80% water, then we might just be a bloody fungus that grew, with the help of the "SUN" No precious God required. Mayby we are a parasite, a germ???
Because we certainly act like it don't we (Especially RELIGOUS LEADERS!!!)
They rape little boys, and take 'oh so much money' and you follow these abomonations! Shame on you.
Religion=money=power=greed=slavery.
This RFID chip is just about control.
They will know :who you are :where you are :what you are doing :AND they will turn the chip off and kill you if you don't follow order.
It's that simple.
A good old revolution would fix everything, it's a shame we are so divided thanks to religion and race.
If you are willing to think, then change is possible. If not, well, don't complain about it.
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Re: The answer to a lot of problems
the doors to Heaven close. Use God as your protector and not a chip - duh? You believe in man not God. Who created you? Man? ha ha ha. Who made the animals, man?? ha ha ha
Pray that the Holy spirit can open your spiritual eyes, as wisdom comes from fearing God.
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WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF 666??
Enclosed is a Bible study if the 7 bible clues which reveal the identity of the coming anti-christ of the Great Tribulation. Hoping for your comments and feedback.
Your eternal friend in Jesus,
Richard
WHAT ARE THE 7 BIBLE CLUES WHICH REVEAL THE IDENTITY OF THE COMING ANTI-CHRIST??
Revelation 13:17b,18: "The mark of the beast {Or Anti-Christ} is the *NAME* of the Beast or the number of *HIS NAME*. This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight, *LET HIM* calculate the number of the Beast {Even in AD 96 when Revelation was written}, for it is a man's number {Or "Number of a MAN"}. *HIS* number is *666*." God has promised in the above inspired passage that any saint {Even in AD 96--which implies that the name was known in AD 96} with spiritual wisdom and insight may calculate the name of the beast which is a *MAN'S NAME* and adds up to 666.
In Thess 2:3 the Beast of the End-Times is called a "*MAN* of sin or lawlessness" or very SINFUL MAN and therefore the name of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a *MAN'S* name which is also confirmed in Rev 13:17b,18 above. Therefore, the NAME of the Beast which adds up to 666 is a sinful *MAN'S NAME* and could not be the name of a woman or a city, country, computer or Satan, etc.. Rev 13:16,17: "He {The False Prophet} forced everyone... to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead. No one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast {Nero Caesar??} or the number of his name {666}.
Actually there are 7 BIBLE CLUES that show who the anti-christ of the future 1260-day Tribulation will be. By an amazing coincidence all 7 Bible clues can be applied to Nero Caesar!!
{1} The anti-christ will be a "MAN OF SIN" or very sinful MAN as per 2 Thess 2:3 above.
{2} The number of this sinful man's name is 666 as per Rev 13:16-18. The Bible was written by 40 divinely inspired Hebrews in Hebrew and Greek; so then it is highly probable that this man's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew or Greek. Nero Caesar's name adds up to 666 in Hebrew which we will show later in this Bible study.
{3} This sinful man whose name adds up to 666 died BEFORE AD 96 when Revelation was written.{See Rev 17:8 below}
We will show later why Revelation was written between Sept AD 95 and Sept AD 96. Nero Caesar lived from December 15th, AD 37 to June 9th AD 68.
{4} This sinful man died before AD 96 when Revelation was written. Nero Caesar died BEFORE AD 96 on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 17:8 below}
{5} This sinful man who was aive and then died before AD 96 was FATALLY WOUNDED by a sword wound to his head. Nero Caesar committed suicide with a sword wound to his head on June 9th, AD 68. {See Rev 13:3 and Rev 13:14 below}
{6} This very sinful man who died before AD 96 was a KING in the Roman Empire as per Daniel 7:24. The beast is also called an 8th KING who ruled before as one of 7 KINGS as per Rev 17:11. There were 11 Roman Kings or Caesars who died before AD 96 including the 6th Caesar who killed Paul and Peter in AD 66; whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew. Domitian Caesar was the 12th Caesar who was alive when Revelation was written.
{7} This very sinful Roman king whose name adds up to 666 and who was fatally wounded by a sword before AD 96, will "COME UP FROM THE *ABYSS* or hell as per Rev 11:7 & Rev 17:8. We know that the ABYSS is HELL by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31. We can be sure that Nero Caesar is now in the Abyss or Hell since he killed Paul and Peter and thousands of Christians and sent Vespasian {the father of Titus and Domitian Caesar} to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. The MAN OF SIN or Nero also killed his own mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.
Revelation 17:8: The beast, which you saw, once was {alive}, Now {in AD 96} is not {alive} and will come up out of the Abyss and go to his destruction. The inhabitants of the earth whose names have not been written in the book life.. .. will be astonished when they see the beast, because he once was {Before AD 96}, now {In AD 96} is not {Alive} and yet will come. Rev 13:14: He {The False Prophet} will order the inhabitants of the earth to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived." Rev 13:3: One of the heads of the beast seemed toi have had a fatal wound. but the fatal wound had been HEALED!! The whole world was astonished and followed the beast.
When I was a missionary in Israel I studied the Hebrew language. One of the first things that you learn when you study the OT Ancient Hebrew language {Which is also the language of Israel today!} is that the 22 letters of the Hebrew alphabet ALSO represent 22 numbers! When you read Psalm 119 you will note that the 176 sentences are divided into 22 sections; each section with 8 sentences or verses praising the Word of God. These 22 sections are each headed by one of the letters in the hebrew alphabet in the exact same order as shown below. The ancient Hebrew language {Which is exactly the same as the modern Hebrew language} frequently used the letters of their alphabet to designate NUMBERS IN THE OT as follows:
ALEPH=1. BETH=2. GIMEL=3. DALET=4. HE=5. VAV=6. ZAYIN=7. CHETH=8. TETH=9. YODH=10. KAPH=20. LAMED=30. MEM=40. NUN=50. SAMEKH=60. AYIN=70. PE=80. TSADHE=90. KOPH=100. RESH=200. SHIN=300. TAV=400.
NOTE: Most vowel sounds excpt "O" {VAV} are not used as letters in Hebrew. These vowel sounds are designated by dots and dashes under their *PRECEDING* consonants. In Hebrew "N" is added on the end of all foreign names ending in "O". Therefore, the foreign name of Nero would be "NERON" in Hebrew. The name Nero Caesar would be pronounced Neron Kaysar in Hebrew. The "E" in Neron and the 2 "A" sounds in Kaysar {There is no "C" in Hebrew} are designated by dots and dashes under their preceding consonants and therefore are not letters in the 22 letter Hebrew alphabet, and so have no numerical value. Neron in Hebrew would use 4 letters with numerical value: N-R-O-N and Kaysar in Hebrew would use 3 letters with numerical value: K-S-R. There would be a dot under the first N to show the "E" sound in NEron There would also be 2 dots under the "K" to show the "AY" sound in KAYsar and a dash under the "S" to show the "AH" sound in KaySAHr.
The 4 letters with numerical value in NERON would be {SEE TABLE ABOVE} N = 50; R = RESH = 200; O = VAV = 6; and N = NUN = 50 and 50+20+6+50 equals 306. The 3 letters with numerical value in "KAYSAR woyld be K = KOPH = 100; S = SAMEKH = 60; and R = RESH =200 and 100+60+200 equals 360. And so the numerical value of Nero in Hebrew is 306 and the numerical value of Caesar in Hebrew is 360, and therefore the numerical value of Nero Caesar is 306+360 or exactly *666*!
There is a very interesting footnote in the revised Standard Version concerning the number 666 which states that some ancient manuscripts have the number **616** which *DOUBLY* confirms that Nero Caesar may be the Anti-Christ!! You will note that the Hebrew language adds an "N" to all foreign names eding in "O". Now "N" or "NUN" in Hebrew has a numerical value of **50**!! and so if you decided not to add the last "N" in NERON then Nero Caesar would add up to exactly **616** in Hebrew. I think you will admit that this is an absolutely amazing coincidence!!
Any honest Hebrew language scholar will confirm that the letters of Nero Caesar's name add up to 666 in the hebrew language whose 22 letters are also 22 numbers as shown above. Since all of the prophecies concerning the Anti-Chriist are written in OT Hebrew {Like Daniel 7:8-25} or NT Koine Greek it would then seem logical that God would use one of these 2 Bible languages to identify the Name of the Beast whose letters add up to 666. one of the problems of doing this in NT Koine Greek is that the letters of their alphabet are not also numbers. And therefore you can only assign a numerical value of 22 to the 22nd letter, etc.. Using this formula you could not get any name to add up to over 250, let alone 666. You have the same problem with English and all other languages other than the Hebrew language!
NOTE: The 3 different Greek words used in Revelation 13:18b to arrive at the number 666 are the 3 different Greek words for 600 and 60 and 6 and not 6 + 6 + 6.
Will the 6th Caesar {Julius, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Claudius & the *6th* is NERO who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD *66*} be the Beast who comes up from the Abyss {Or Hell-See Rev 17:8} in the coming Great Tribulation??
Rev 1:8,9: "I, John, your brother and companion in the suffering and kingdom and patient endurance that are ours in Jesus, was on the island of Patmos beacuse of the Word of God and the testimony of Jesus." We know that the island of Patmos was the site of a Roman prison the the first Century and that the Apostle John was suffering in this prison because of his religious beliefs. {As per Rev 1:8,9 above} The island of Patmos is about 30 miles from the port of Ephesus in Western Turkey.
History tells us that the second huge Roman persecution of Christians {The first was NERO'S PERSECUTION OF AD 64-68} occurred in the last year of the reign of Domitian Caesar which would have been from September AD 95 to September AD 96. During the last year of his rule Domitian Caesar decreed that everyone in the Roman Empire must worship idols of former Roman Caesar's or else they would be killed or put in prison. Historical documents show us that the Apostle John lived to about AD 100 and therefore would have been alive during Domitian's evil decree of September Ad 95 to September of AD 96. Since we can be sure that the Apostle John would never worship an idol of a Roman Caesar it is then highly probable that John was put in prison on Patmos Isle sometime during Domitian's evil decree from September AD 95 to September AD 96. Rev 1:10,11: "On the Lord's Day I {John} was in the spirit and I heard a loud voice {Jesus} said, 'Write on a scroll what you see and send it to the 7 churches: to Ephesus, Smyrna, Pergamum, Thyatria, Sardis, Philadelphis and Laodicea." The last 6 churches are all in Western Turkey within 77 miles of Ephesus. About 50 years earlier Paul had started churches in these 7 cities. Paul always had Jewish converts in the cities where he preached since he had the habit of teaching in Jewish synagogues on the Sabbath. It was then highly probable that all 7 of these chuches had Jewish believers who were very familiar with the Hebrew language and of course knew that the 22 letters of the Jewish alphabet are also 22 numbers and also remembered the first Roman persecution by Nero or the "MAN OF SIN" about 30 years earlier when Paul & Peter and thousands of Christians were martyred because of Nero Caesar. Nero also sent Vespasian, the father of Titus and Domitian; to kill the Jews and destroy their Temple. He also killed his mother and killed his pregnant wife by kicking her in the stomach.
Christian writings in the early 2nd century AD show that many Christians at that time believed that Nero Caesar {Who adds up to 666 in Hebrew} would return as the Anti-Christ of the End-Times. Rev 13:18: "This calls for wisdom. If anyone has insight {Even in AD 96}, let him {Even in AD 96} calculate the Beast, for it is a man's number. His {Nero Caesar's} number is 666!" And so the above Scripture absolutely guarantees that anyone with spiritual wisdom and insight could figure out who the Anti-Christ of the End-Times would be even when Revelation was first given to the churches in AD 96, and that the number of his name adds up to 666. This would of course mean that the future Anti-Christ must have been alive before AD 96 when this Scripture was given to the churches. Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} certainly qualified since he lived from Dec 15th AD 37 to June 9th, AD 68 when he was fatally wounded by his own SWORD.
NOTE: There are many statues of the exact likeness of Nero Caesar including a 151 foot statue in the "Golden House" in Rome. The statue of Liberty {Without pedestal} is also exactly 151 feet high... hmmm. At the beginning of Great Tribulation the False Prophet of 666, Rev 13:14: "Will order the people of the earth to set up a statue in honor of the beast who was wounded {Fatally-Rev 13:3} by the SWORD and yet lived!" {Again} This staue of the Beast will be the "exact likeness" of Nero Caesar and could possibly be seen on World Wide TV so that people of all nations will be able to worship this statue as per Rev 13:15b.
Revelation 17:8b: "Those whose names have not been written in the Book of Life will be astonished when they see the beast {666}, because he once was {Alive--AD 37-68} now in AD 96 is not {Alive}, and yet will come." {During the Great Tribulation} The Beast once was {Alive before AD 96} now is not {Alive in AD 96}, and will come out of the ABYSS {Or HELL} and go to his destruction." {On the last Day-See Rev 19:20b}
The fact that the ABYSS is HELL is confirmed by comparing 2 Peter 2:4 with Luke 8:30b,31: 2 Peter 2:4: "God did not spare the angels when they sinned but sent them into HELL, putting them in gloomy dungeons to be held for judgment." Luke 8:30b,31: "Many demons {Or Hell's Angels} had gone into him {A demon-possessed man}. And they begged Jesus repeatedly not to order them into the ABYSS! {Because they had already been in Hell or the ABYSS before!!} Now we can be absolutely certain that an evil Roman king from the city on 7 hills; who was fatally wounded by a sword *BEFORE* Revelation was written in AD 96; and whose name adds up to 666 is presently in this ABYSS or HELL!!
All historical documents agree that Nero Caesar {The 6th Caesar who ordered the execution of Paul & Peter in AD 66 and whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th AD 68. In Revelation 13:14b we learn that the False Prophet of 666 will order the building of a statue of 666 "Who was {FATALLY-See Rev 13:3} wounded by the SWORD and yet lived!" {AGAIN} Nero Caesar {Whose name adds up to 666 in Hebrew} again qualifies for this inspired clue as to the identity of the Anti-Christ. Nero's 4-year Roman persecution began when he blamed the Christians for the burning of Rome in AD 64; and ended when Nero was fatally wounded by his own SWORD on June 9th, AD 68.
Almost all conservative Bible theologians agree that the 4th Beast of Daniel 7:7,19 is the *ROMAN* Empire. In Daniel 7:20,21 we learn that a little horn who is also called a *KING* in Daniel 7:24 will come from this *ROMAN* Empire. Daniel 7:24b,25-27: “A *KING* {From the *ROMAN* Empire--Nero Caesar??} will arise…. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints. The saints will be handed over to him for a Time, Times and ½ a Time.” “But the court will sit, and his {666 or the Roman King or the Beast or Nero Caesar-See Rev 19:20,21 and 2 Thess 2:8} power will be taken away and completely destroyed forever. *THEN* the sovereignty, power and greatness of the kingdoms under the whole Heaven will be handed over to the saints, the people of the Most High. His Kingdom will be an everlasting Kingdom.”
Revelation 6:7,8: When the Lamb opened the 4th seal, I heard the voice of the 4th living creature say, "Come!" I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death {666 who will cause the death of millions} and Hades {The False Prophet who will cause millions to go to Hades by receiving the mark of 666} was following close behind him. THEY {Nero Caesar and the False Prophet} were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth. Daniel 7:24,25 says that an evil Roman King will conquer 3 of the 10 kingdoms {which will cover one fourth of the earth??}--Russia, China and India??
The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world's population and certainly have the military, political and "religious" power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. And then 666 will have "authority over every tribe, people, language and nation" as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in Rome. 666 and his False prophet will then quickly gain complete control over the radio, tv, internet, newspaper, book and magazine medias.
Revelation 13:4: Men worshipped the dragon {Satan}, and they also worshipped the beast {666 or Nero Caesar} and asked, "Who is like the beast? Who can make war against him?
The next 2 paragraphs are an interesting SPECULATION about what might happen at the beginning of the 1260-day Great Tribulation.
Revelation 6:6: "A quart of wheat for a day's wages!" This phrase can also be translated "A loaf of bread for a day's wages." This event will occur at the coming of the black horse rider {Rev 6:5} which will take place just before or at the beginning of the Great Tribulation. Because of the world's present economic crises the peoples in the 40 poorest counties now have to pay a full day's wages for a loaf of bread as per Rev 6:6. And if the world experiences a world-wide depression this event could occur in over 100 countries. The world economic crises is rapidly accelarating. Many countries such as the Phillipines are far worse off than people in the USA during the Great Depression when there was 20 % unemployment. Two years ago there was 8 % unemployment in the Phillipines. One year ago there was 20% unemployment in the Philipines and NOW there is 40 % unemployment!! The world economic crises is rapidly accelarating. There are now 70 countries with unemployment rates of over 30 % and this should rapidly increase. And then the world will certainly be looking for an Economic Savior such as 666 and his very deceptive False Prophet. They will be looking for someone who promises CHANGE!! If the Great Tribulation would begin in the near future is there a well-known, powerful world leader that may qualify to be the deceptive False Prophet of 666 who will promise CHANGE you can believe in!! Will this powerful world leader try to bankrupt the USA which will in turn cause a worldwide depression and cause the price of a loaf of bread to cost a full day's wages???
And so Nero Caesar with the help of the armies of the False Prophet {Obama??} and other nations aligned with him will conquer 1/4 of the world {See Rev 6:8; 13:4b} and then 666 will appoint 10 kings over 10 kingdoms to rule the world who have never before ruled {see Rev 17:12-14} who will then take orders from 666 and his False Prophet from their headquarters in the evil city on 7 HILLS or Rome.{See Rev 17:9}
"Babylon" is called a CITY 7 times in Revelation, chapter 18, and a SEAPORT in Rev 18:17-19. Peter was inspired to call Rome "Babylon" in I Peter 5:13. Rome is a CITY and a SEAPORT built on 7 HILLS! Babylon and Jerusalem are not seaports and are not built on 7 hills!
Rev 13:14-17: The False Prophet deceived the inhabitants of the earth. He ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was {FATALLY-Rev 13:3} wounded by the sword and yet lived. He was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast {666}, so that it could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. He also forced everyone to receive a mark on his right hand or on his forehead, so that no one could buy or sell unless he had the mark, which is the name of the beast {NERO CAESAR} or the number of his name {666}. And God will supply all the needs of His faithful and corageous Tribulation saints just as He miraculously supplied all the needs of the Israelites for 40 years in the wilderness. {See Matt 6:31-34}
Rev 13:5-10: The beast was given a mouth to utter proud words and blasphemies and to exercise his authority for 42 {30-day} months {Or 1260 days or time, times and 1/2 a time-See Dan 7:25 & Dan 12:1,2,6b,7b}..... He was given power to make war against the saints and to conquer them. And he was given authority over every tribe, people, language and nation. All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast--all whose names have not been written in the book of life belonging to the Lamb.... This call for patient endurance and faithfulness on the part of the saints.
Matt 24:9-12...Matt 24:29-31: Jesus says, "Then {During the 42-month Great Tribulation} you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by ALL nations because of Me. At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, but he who stands firm to the end will be saved... Immediately after the distress of those {1260} days 'the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light and the stars will fall from the sky.' At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather His elect from the 4 winds, from one end of the heavens to the other." {Mark 13:27 adds, "From the ends of the earth to the ends of the heavens."
WILL THE CITY ON 7 HILLS OR ROME BE THE END-TIME BABYLON?? AND WHO ARE THE 7 KINGS FROM THE CITY BUILT ON 7 HILLS??
Most Bible scholars believe that the book of First Peter was written shortly after the beginning of Nero’s Roman persecution of Christians in AD 64 because of I Peter 4:12,13 & 5:8,9. We know that Peter and his wife were living in Rome at this time. Peter was inspired to write in I Peter 5:13: “She {Peter’s wife} who is in *BABYLON* {Nickname for *ROME*!} sends you her greetings, and so does my son Mark.” Apparently some Christians including Peter were inspired to call ROME “BABYLON” after Nero’s terrible persecution of Christians in AD 64. This is very interesting since the evil city of the End-Times is called “BABYLON” 6 times in Revelation 14:8; 16:19; 17:5; 18:2,10,21. God had promised in Jeremiah 50:3,13; 51:26,62-64 that no one would ever live in Babylon again after her total destruction which occurred about 275 BC. And God kept His promise for about 2284 years; since Babylon is still a pile of rubble to this very day, and will remain that way until the Last Day of the Planet Earth; for God always keeps His promises. “Babylon” {Nicknamed Rome by Peter} is a “GREAT SEAPORT” in Rev 18:17-19; JUST LIKE ROME and UNLIKE Babylon whose ruins are NOW 4 miles from the very shallow Euphrates River; or Jerusalem which is 2000 to 3000 feet above sea level and 35 miles from the Mediterranean Sea. Babylon is also completely FLAT whereas the End-Time "Babylon" will be a city built on 7 Hills JUST LIKE ROME!!
Rev 17:18: “The woman you saw {Rev 17:3--Who sits with the Beast with 7 heads} is the great *CITY* {Rome--nicknamed Babylon in I Peter 5:13--See Rev 17:5a} that will rule over the kings of the earth.” {During the Great Tribulation} Rev 17:9-11: “This calls for a mind with wisdom. The 7 heads are 7 hills on which the woman {Or city of Rome} sits.” Rome is a city built on 7 HILLS!! They {The 7 Heads} are also 7 KINGS {From the city on 7 hills or Rome}. Five {Of these 7 KINGS} have fallen {Or died before AD 96}, one {the 6th KING} *IS* {Or reigning when Revelation was written in AD 96}, the other {or 7th KING} has not yet come, but when he {The 7th KING} does come, he must remain for for a little while. {Possibly the False Prophet of 666 {Or Black Horse Rider} who will be anointed by Satan just before the coming of the 8th KING {Or Pale Horse Rider} who ruled before as one of the 7 Kings} The beast {Nero Caesar who once was {Alive from Dec 15, AD 37 to June 9, AD 68}, and NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive} is an 8th KING. He belongs to the 7 {KINGS}, because He once was {Alive-AD 37-68} NOW {In AD 96} is not {Alive}, and yet will come {1260 days before the Last Day}."
WHO ARE OR WILL BE THE 8 KINGS OF REV 17:10,11?? ROME APPOINTED THE JEWISH KINGS AFTER THEY CONQUERED ISRAEL IN 63 BC AND THE 7 KINGS OF REV 13:1B all had "blasphemous names" so we can assume that they were evil kings who had killed or persecuted Jesus and His followers. And so the first 3 EVIL KINGS {Who are all called KINGS in God's Word{See Matt 2:1; Mark 6:25,26 & Acts 12:1} were all Israeli KINGS appointed by the evil city on 7 hills or Rome:
AND SO THE 8 KINGS WERE OR WILL BE:
** {#1} ** Herod the Great who tried to kill the baby Jesus: Rev 12:3-5: "Another sign appeared in Heaven : An enormous red DRAGON {Or Satan-See Rev 12:9} with 7 heads {Or 7 KINGS-See Rev 17:10a}... and 7 crowns on his {7} heads {Satan crowns the 7 kings whereas 666 crowns the 10 horns}. The DRAGON {Or Satan} stood in front of the woman who was about tlo give birth, so that he might devour her Child the moment he was born {Thru his first evil king or Herod the Great as per Matt 2:13b,16!!} She gave birth to a Son {Jesus} a male Child, who will rule the nations with an iron scepter!!"
**{#2}** Herod Antipas who killed John the Baptist and ridiculed and tortured Jesus {See Matt 14:1-12; Luke 23:7-11}
**{#3}** Herod Antipas who killed the Apostle James and tried to kill Peter. {See Acts 12:1-5,19-23} **{#4}** Nero Caesar who will come again as the 8th KING who will be the anti-christ of the End-Times.
**{#5}** Titus Caesar who killed thousands of Christians when he destroyed Jerusalem and the Temple in AD 70. Titus is also mentioned as a "Prince" in Daniel 9:26. Titus Caesar was the oldest son of Vespasian Caesar who was Caesar from Dec AD 69 to AD 79; and therefore heir and Crown *PRINCE* to the throne in Rome and was Caesar from AD 79 to AD 81.
**{#6**}** Domitian Caesar the 6th KING {"NOW IS"} was ruling in AD 96, and decreed in the last year of his reign {Sept AD 95 to Sept AD 96} that everyone must worship former Roman Caesars {Like Nero} or be killed and put in prison.
**{#7}** Possibly the False Prophet of 666 who will be crowned the 7th evil King of Rome by Satan shortly before the coming of the:
**{8th}** KING or Nero Caesar {The End-Time Beast or Anti-Christ}; who ruled before as one of the **7 KINGS** The 4TH & 8TH KING will come up up from the Abyss or Hell exactly 1260 days before the last Day to rule from the evil city on 7 hills or Rome.
Rev 17:6: “The woman {ROME} will be drunk with the blood of the saints, the blood of those who bear testimony to Jesus.” While in in Rev 13:7 we learn that the Anti-Christ will be given “power to make war against the saints and to conquer them.” And in Rev 13:15b we read that 666 will “cause all who refuse to worship his statue to be killed.” We must therefore conclude that the evil city “on 7 hills” or Rome will be the HEADQUARTERS of 666 during the Great Tribulation.
The Anti-Christ will very quickly conquer 1/4th of the world with many miracles {See Rev 6:8; 13:4} and will then appoint 10 Kings who have never before ruled over the 10 most powerful nations of the world {See Rev 17:12-14,17}. The following 10 powerful nations have about 50% of the world’s population and certainly have the military, political and “religious” power to control and rule all the nations of the world: #1. United States #2. Russia #3. China {1.3 Billion} #4. Great Britain #5. France #6. India {1.1 Billion} #7. Germany #8. Japan #9. Brazil #10. Egypt. And then 666 will have “authority over every tribe, people, language and nation” as per Rev 13:7b, from his headquarters in the city built on 7 hills or Rome.
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I have a better idea. Instead of chipping society, chip the criminals in the CIA and the government. WE need to be keeping track of those crazy jerks, not vise versa.
Military inductees were "chipped" back in the early 60s and those chips were never removed. They react strongly to magnetic fields -- actually flashing. And they happened to be implanted such that x-rays won't find them. MRIs sure will, however. Don't kid yourself -- you don't want a chip in your body or your children's bodies for any reason, and if an extreme situation presents such as "terrorist attacks" or rampant kidnapping, you can bet it's a black op designed to herd people into accepting the chip.
Hatachi developed a chip the size of a dust particle. That garbage is being placed in medications. Worse, they easily become airborne and you can breathe those things into your body and not even know it. This was fully developed back in the late 80s, and manufacturing was in full force in or around the early 90s.
Moreover, prisoners are being chipped, and you actually think it's for tracking? Those things can and do alter behavior, and not in good ways. Have you noticed every time there's a political agenda afoot, Felons come out of nowhere to commit the very crimes of the agenda? If you haven't noticed, you might want to begin paying more attention.
"Medical technology" my foot. Anything medicine does with those things is secondary to the real intent of the chips.
After my go at Hatachi and medical labs, I have to wonder if that chip garbage is being placed in so-called "flu shots". I am very sure the civilian genius types have already begun research on all this and will find ways to shut the chips down.
And by the way, magnetic fields happen to turn those implanted chips into micro buzz saws inside your body. And yes, patient deaths have been reported because of that exact reason. But you won't hear about those reports. Such reports upset the public and the chip business would be shut completely down, right along with all the chip goons.
Anyone ignorant enough to cheer this "technology" and promote it, is certainly nobody any reasonable person should listen to. In fact, such cheering people are likely those who are making money off those chips.
The claims that the chips can only be implanted in the hand or "back of the head" are pure rubbish. They have been found in mastoid bone (those are actually "wires" rather than "chips"), muscle tissue in the arms, and even inside the mouth and are often found even in nerve bundles. If it's in a nerve bundle, you could be paralyzed if that thing is ever removed. If it's in your mastoid bone, you likely "hear voices" talking to you from various magnetic fields in your home or office. Ever hear the stories about people saying they heard voices talking to them over their television sets?? They weren't crazy. They were chipped.
Have you ever wondered who funded all this chip business? You might want to think about that. It wasn't a bunch of smart people pooling their money and hoping to do something nice for humankind. It's funded by the CIA programs. That's a fact.
It's about time this subject and commentary escaped the labs and became public. There's a shocking lack of ethics in this entire "chip" business and the public is NOT being protected. Crazy goons are in this picture and don't think for a moment they aren't.
In short, if it stinks and reeks like CIA, it in some harmful way most certainly is yet another sneaky CIA program, even if it's "just" funding. They don't fund anything they don't control and intend to use for heinous reasons.
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READ THE BIBLE THIS IS WRONG, IF YOU HAVE THE ID CHIP YOU GO HELL.
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