Who Cares If Pamela Jones Is Real Or Not, As Long As Her Information Is Accurate?

from the just-asking dept

Thu, Feb 15th 2007 1:32pm — Mike Masnick

There's been a lot of talk in the last couple days about the fact that SCO is trying to subpoena Pamela Jones of Groklaw. For years, SCO has claimed that Pamela Jones is really a front for a group of IBM lawyers, and this latest move has started that discussion going again. However, in all the "does she or does she not exist?" questioning, an important point is missed: what does it matter? Groklaw has remained an excellent source of information about the SCO lawsuit, consistently pointing out accurate information about how far off-base SCO has been with the lawsuit. Whether it comes from some random paralegal or the entire legal team at IBM, the quality of the site has been consistent. If SCO is really so concerned about Jones and Groklaw, there's a really simple solution. They can just respond to the critics on the site. The problem is that, so far, they haven't been able to do so credibly. Every time SCO tries to respond, they just end up digging themselves into a deeper hole. Instead of worrying about who Pamela Jones is (or is not), why don't they put some effort into saving their troubled company?

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chris (profile), 15 Feb 2007 @ 1:45pm

duh
how can you egg the house of someone that doesn't really exist?

how are you going to slash their tires?

you know, it costs a lot of money to hire a contract killer, and the quality ones charge you per victim.

i would imagine that the IBM legal team is quite a few people, and given sco's finances (phony lawsuits ain't cheap) it will cost quite a bit to have all of those lawyers rubbed out.

pamela jones on the other hand... that's just one job, easily justified to the accounting department.
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Chris Maresca, 15 Feb 2007 @ 1:47pm

Like I wrote somewhere else...
... I've actually talked with her on the phone. We almost hired her as a consultant 2-3 years ago.

AFAIK, PJ is a real person and has very valuable insights.

Chris.
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DV Henkel-Wallace, 15 Feb 2007 @ 2:14pm

not a problem
you know, it costs a lot of money to hire a contract killer, and the quality ones charge you per victim.
Jeez, guy, buy in bulk already!

(sorry to be so off-topic, but this is a consumer educational issue).
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Anonymous Coward, 15 Feb 2007 @ 2:26pm

A couple of years back, SCO said that they were going to set up their own web site, to counter the Groklaw FUD. That never happened. Guess why.
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SCOlover, 15 Feb 2007 @ 3:17pm

What happened to the stalking?
Didn't Maureen O'Gara go overboard with the whole stalking thing with Jones, publishing all kinds of personal information about her? Didn't she even follow Jones, the person, around her hometown taking pictures of her? How do they reconcile that? I could see accusing her of being a front for multiple people, but accusing her of not even existing is tough.

My guess is she gathered from the direction of the case that she was about to be subpoenad, doesn't want any part of it, and is laying low somewhere in the meantime.
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Sean, 15 Feb 2007 @ 3:37pm

What if Hitler claimed the sky was blue?
It's a bit sad, but the credibility of the person making the claim is just as important as the claim itself!
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Jeff R., 15 Feb 2007 @ 3:47pm

Why are they trying to discredit PJ?
"Instead of worrying about who Pamela Jones is (or is not), why don't they put some effort into saving their troubled company?"

Because one is within the realm of things they can possibly accomplish and the other isn't?
Not that they have much chance in their attempt to discredit PJ, but it's infinitely more likely than their winning any of the lawsuits they're currently involved in.
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Lawrence D'Oliveiro, 15 Feb 2007 @ 4:38pm

PJ Who?
If “Pamela Jones” is a real person, why does he feel the need to keep his identity such a secret? That’s not how journalists are supposed to operate. They’re supposed to stand by what they publish. Except perhaps in police states...

One of the Linux magazines has a column by “Pamela Jones” and it’s quite remarkable to see the comparison with all the other columnists: every single one puts their picture at the top of the page, except for PJ’s one, which has some ridiculous cartoon face in its place.
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zcat, 15 Feb 2007 @ 4:51pm

PJ _is_ a front for a vast collection of Linux and
Groklaw is a community. It's the Open Source Method applied to legal research. IBM's and SCO's lawyers are both known to read it, I have no idea how much either group contribute to it. PJ does write a huge amount of material but what majes Groklaw really happen is many other people contributing ideas, doing research, converting scanned documents and PDF's to searchable text.

Nobody ever pretended otherwise. This is news?
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sysadmn, 15 Feb 2007 @ 5:09pm

Abuse by Lawsuit
The point isn't to prove PJ is a front. SCO may float that, but it's doubtful they really believe it. More likely, they hope to deposition her into bankruptcy. And if she gets pro bono support, well, there's always something embarassing to drag out of any witness. Let her serve as a warning to the next blogger with an opinion we don't like.
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Gene Hoffman, 15 Feb 2007 @ 5:34pm

Quite real
Pamela Jones is a real enough person that I've spent a couple of hours face to face with her talking about patents. I've also shared a lunch at a very tasty joint in North Carolina when we were both there for a conference.

Lots of people don't particularly care for her speaking certain truth to power. I personally think she is a bit skittish but I don't walk in her shoes.

-Gene
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Pseudonym, 15 Feb 2007 @ 7:17pm

Another possibility
I've heard it suggested that one reason why they're trying to go after her is if they can prove PJ to be a front for IBM's legal team, then their work product is no longer privileged.

But regardless, the theory doesn't make any sense. IBM's legal team would, surely, not be so critical of the Novell-Microsoft deal.
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nukem, 15 Feb 2007 @ 7:27pm

Die SCO Just Die.. Do us all a favor.
Truth is truth. If SCO don't like it refute it. SCO do us all a favor including PJ and an just crawl in your rate hole and DIE! We're sick of this whole fiasco.
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Mike, 16 Feb 2007 @ 6:49am

Yeah, right, whatever
"Truth is not truth"...it's all subjective.... They've (as in "them") found the way to disassociate truth from facts a long time ago...even before GWB...So since they can't bully the facts she puts out, they'll bully the truth about her...sad, but true.
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