200 Million Americans Can't Be Felons: Why The Law Will Change Before People Stop Sharing Content
from the information-revolution dept
David Levine points us to an interesting blog post by Larry Downes at The Center for Internet and Society comparing "the information revolution" to revolutions in the past -- and notes that the legal infrastructure needs to change to match the economic realities of the information age, just as the legal infrastructure needed to changed to meet economic realities during past revolutions. As he says, "200 million Americans can't be felons."
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200 million can't be felons?
It's win win for everybody!
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On a side note the article makes perfect sense. As past criminals (i.e. the founding fathers) sometimes turn out to be tomorrow's heros.
Kinda scary isn't it =)
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199,999,999?
He likens the information "revolution" to others in the past, mostly, it would seem, because it too contains the word "revolution" in the title. It says that the "legal infrastructure needs to change", but fails to mention what needs to change, and in what way.
He mentions YouTube, and since this is TechDirt, so one can only assume it has something to do with copyright violation, but it seems to me that he, too, is making a major set of assumptions as well. You see, as an author and publisher in several fields, I tend to respect the rights of creators. I haven't uploaded copywritten material to YouTube. Haven't torrented my music and movies, in fact, I've actually bought from iTMS. All of my software is paid for, with the exception of several F/OSS programs, and even there I've donated to a couple of projects.
So while the line, "200 Million Americans Can't Be Felons" sounds eminently quotable, upon examination it too is as full as fluff as the rest of the article itself.
Then again, it could be that the quote should be "199,999,999 Americans Can't Be Felons." But since I hardly think I'm unique in this regard, I doubt that one is accurate either...
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Education in America Sucks!!!
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Re: Education in America Sucks!!!
Actually, parents are only one piece of the puzzle.
Okay, so it's politically incorrect to mention the elephant in the room. Get over it. Too many teachers are grossly incompetent. My daughter’s high school English teacher comes to school stoned on marijuana. One of the high school math teachers refuses to explain math concepts if he’s declared it “party day”. And at least one of the P.E. teacher’s thinks locking the boys and girls together in a room unsupervised is a cool thing to do.
But it’s much more politically correct to blame the parents.
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Re: 199,999,999? by Micheal Long
You are like those people who say "I never lie". We all know its bullshit. Time you stop lying to yourself.
Best Regards
Reality
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Just challenging the status quo here...
But Perrsonally, I find it interesting that you published this, especially after your Scarce Goods post earlier in the week. Are you playing devil's advocate on this one? I'm beside myself in the berevity of your commentary as well.
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I thought the laws were set up........
"The United States is a nation of laws: badly written and randomly enforced."
- Frank Zappa
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Laughing at the 2 party system
There's a crazy force right under the surface that could steal from both sides... The Dems seem too Left, dislike business. Repubs seem too much in a quandry, trying to figure out their head from their tail.
Perfect time for a good 3rd party to come into the picture, eh?
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If everyone does it, then it's right?
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limited scope?
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200 Million Americans Can't Be Felons
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No, but he's somehow right. People will not be coerced or forced into paying for content they are exposed to, and then have to go, run and pay for it. Anything of interest to poeple should be free to them in some form or another, and only the premium content, the high quality copy of a CD, with Manual, Glossy, Story, Lyrics and Packaging should be offered for sale. The crappy and scratchy 128k MP3's online should be free and available for people of all financial means.
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If the Recording Industry Cartell would have let things alone, then we all would have a chance to find our Favorite Music, and the ones of us that like to pay for Premium Content, like to support our Artists, Like only ONE SONG of a otherwise Crappy CD, would have paid for that content. BUt now it's all blow out of proportions. We are in a war again.
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Here's some more info for you about the Clinton Administration:
- The only president ever impeached on grounds of personal malfeasance
- Most number of convictions and guilty pleas by friends and associates
- Most number of cabinet officials to come under criminal investigation
- Most number of witnesses to flee country or refuse to testify
- Most number of witnesses to die suddenly
- First president sued for sexual harassment.
- First president accused of rape.
- First first lady to come under criminal investigation
- Largest criminal plea agreement in an illegal campaign contribution case
- First president to establish a legal defense fund.
- First president to be held in contempt of court
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions
- Greatest amount of illegal campaign contributions from abroad
- First president disbarred from the US Supreme Court and a state court
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2/3 of America shares files?
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"I was not in the loop" - G.H.W. Bush.
"None of this [attorney firings] can be laid at the President's feet." - Tony Snow about W.
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Re: If everyone does it, then it's right?
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Re: If everyone does it, then it's right?
It's a concept called "democracy", where the majority determines what is right and wrong. You should look it up. It's way better than your fascism.
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200 Million Americans Can Be Felons
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Re: If everyone does it, then it's right?
Highways without speed limits work fine. Look at the Autobahn.
I honestly don't know anyone who's plagiarized anything, but that's what science is. 'standing on the shoulders of giants' as someone once said. Get rid of those laws and we'd have a lot more progress.
So yup, you're right. Change the laws to match behavior.
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re: education
In 2004 the average teacher made $46,597. How much did you make? Why should teachers have to sacrifice their financial well-being to educate your kids?
You want good teachers pay them a decent wage. You want mediocrity stay the course.
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Pulling the kids out doesn't solve the problem ..
The principal is supposedly the person a parent is supposed to go to -- but the unions have tied their hands as well.
And by the way, blaming the parent for the teacher's drug use is a bit disingenuous.
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RE: Michael Long and David Reinsel
I bet you never went past the speed limit in your car or jaywalked either. We all break the law, it's a fact.
David Reinsel...
Your argument is full of shit. It's people like you that are responsible for the state that this country is in. You react rather than respond, and anything that contradicts your view is ignored and belittled.
You claim that a drinking age of 16 is bad. I would direct you to Europe, Germany in particular. They have a minimum drinking age of 16 and they get along just fine. As far as speeding, again, I direct you to Germany's Autobahn, which has no speed limit. Are there some 16 year olds that have a drinking problem? Do they have horrific crashes on the Autobahn? The answer to yes is both, but then again, those same problems exist in America.
The core argument of the RIAA and MPAA, that stealing is wrong, is a valid argument, but they impose the definition of stealing on a random basis. It's okay to borrow a friends CD, but it isn't okay to download the same CD from the Internet. It's okay to record a movie on your VCR at home but it's illegal to make a copy of a DVD that you own. Their interpretation and definitions make no sense. It's compounded when talented 'artists' like Steven Spielberg open their mouth and say such ridiculous things like 'I don't want my movies watched on iPods'.
Then there is the whole issue of the extortion tactics they use with their 'Pay us $5000 now or we will sue you for $500,000' lawsuits. As more and more of these cases go to trial, more and more of them are getting successfully challenged. Some of the people they have sued are completely innocent, yet they blunder on. People would have a lot more respect (myself included) for the RIAA/MPAA if they payed for their mistakes, but they don't. If they lose a case or realize they have the wrong person, that person is still on the hook for their legal fees. If you sue someone and are proven wrong, you need to bear the cost of the other guys defense. The RIAA steamrolls over innocent people. Period.
Do artists need to be compensated for their work? Absolutely. I am all for that, but the current system needs to change in order to make everyone happy.
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Re: If everyone does it, then it's right?
Yes, then we will be like central Europe where the drinking age is 14 and rates of alcoholism and drunk driving are 1% of the U.S.
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Re: 200 Million Americans Can Be Felons
I agree. We are well on our way and it is clearly the intent of both parties to make 90%+ of the population felons. That way...
1. They can't vote the crooked politicians out of power.
2. They have few, if any, legal rights.
3. They are subjected to economic slavery for the rest of their lives.
4. Their children's DNA will be, in effect, in a database from conception.
Welcome to America, home of the cowarding dictators and modern Nazis. Different name, same sht.
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Hand-wringing/washing
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I think "Erv's Dad" impostor proves Erv's point by showing that only retarded fuccks support Bush.
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Re: If everyone does it, then it's right? / DAve
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Happy St Patties day.
Who can be upset with a culture that believes in little men who guard a pot of gold at the end of a rainbow?
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Re: Re: Re: Education in America Sucks!!!
Just because someone comes from another country (regardless of method) doesn't make them an idiot from the get go. Like another poster said, many foreigners speak several languages. What do you speak? Poor English?
I get so happy when someone uses you're/your and their/there/they're correctly.
I forget who said it, but there is a quote I like.
"The population of the world increases while the IQ remains a constant."
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Want to hear something funny? The Clintons and Bushes have always worked together. The largest CIA (headed by G. H. W. Bush) sponsored drug runner operated out of Arkansas (with Clinton as Gov.) with immunity. And that is just the tip.
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You have no idea how good I felt reading that.
Seriously people complain that the world is going down the drain. That is some real bullshit. The world has advanced so much in such a short time. I've heard several people say the world was better in the '50s. Oh was that true for the, blacks, Hispanics, atheists, communists? I don't think so.
The world now is much more open than before, however, numerous people refuse to change with the natural progression of society.
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No Child left behind has been the biggest joke in American Education in the past 8 years because it removes comradrebetween kids, students, and incentive for kids to excel.
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re: education @ Extreme Centrist
The intention of my point wasn't so much about getting an "upgrade" but rather to say that we should make it so that the people who would be good teachers, but aren't willing to be saints, can teach.
I wouldn't touch K-12 public education with a ten foot pole because I have student loans to pay and I'd like to own a home one day, and I love teaching.
If you adjust for inflation many teachers have seen decreased salary over the last couple years. That is just wrong, if a person cares about educating their children then they have to pay that person more than an administrative assistant. In some states teachers aren't even paid as much as one.
ON-TOPIC:
Mobocracy doesn't work very well. Laws are (supposedly) based on reason, if there are a lot of people doing something then the law should be reevaluated to see if it is unreasonable. However, history has shown us many times that large groups sometimes do things that they should not— sometimes it is legal other times it is illegal, but that doesn't make it right. So the question is still: are that laws that maket 200 million Americans commit a felony reasonable?
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PCD
Consider me mildly entertained.
This is not, however, the creation of an artist, at least not the one on screen. This is the creation of a cunning and sharp business woman, and as a businessman, I deeply respect her abilities. As we all know, the primary goal of business is to make money, and she has done this well.
This is not music. Period. This is a corporation with a marketable product engineered by a highly skilled team. This is not some group of 21 year olds that have been playing in Bobby's garage since grade school, perfecting their craft.
It is very tough for me to hand money over to something that only mildly entertains me, and even harder when I know it is more like buying stock than supporting an artist.
I buy artists records, regardless of label or origin, whenever i see fit.
I often 'test drive' said records on myspace, or youtube, having wasted $15-20 time and time again on albums that just didnt cut it.
There is a tremendous difference between artists and businesses masquerading as artists.
Artists have and always will make the vast majority of their money from touring. This is true from the local bar band to 50-cent.
Businesses will always make their money from record sales.
I will always support artists, because I am one.
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re #50
Right based on what? The way democracy is supposed to work is what's "right" or not is based on what most of the citizens want. That is why I hate minorities getting everything they want, but that's another issue.
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Teachers
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problems, hah!
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the problem takes care of itself. SAT score avgs on a state basis doesn't mean anything.Some states like CA don't require ALL students to take the SATs..only the ones looking to continue their education. I live in Georgia, consistently one of the lowest ranked states education wise according to the SAT score lineups. Georgia requires all of the students to take the SAT if they're in public school. In my area there are 2 private HighSchools for every 1 public school. Cheapest ones run around 7-8k a year + books + summer reading books + lunch money. The most expensive one is at 11k a year now. The SAT scores from all these private schools are all kept..private. You may see a lot of numbers in the newspapers and on the tv screen but none of them mean anything unless you understand how they are calculated. The public school system across most of Georgia is TERRIBLE. Kids can't read, write, or do algebra. It's not their fault, it's the fault of the state. Teachers of these private schools don't make any more money than the public school teachers, there's no tenure, and often times if they don't hold the chair of their department they may make less money than if they went to the public school down the street. However, they don't have to put up with ANY SHIT from ANY students. They can use physical force to remove you from a classroom, they can kick you the f*ck out of the school for any reason at all. You bet your a** the students behave and learn the material or else risk being kicked out, and have to put up with their parents breathing down their neck about it. It was funny, at the beginning of each semester in HS you knew which seniors didn't make the grades that semester by who was driving their new car to school or by who was being dropped off my mommy and daddy. I made my grades and didn't get to drive, but that was my parents being nazis. Either nazis are good parents. I'll decide in 10 more years when I have a job, a car, house, wife, children, and a boat to take my son fishing on. If the public schools don't provide what you want then there's always the private sector. Don't even argue but they cost money..cause I had many friends whose parents in all reality could not afford the school their child was at. A few would eat macaroni and cheese and pbjs a few nights out of the week. Cancel the cable tv, DSL, etc... They all made it and their children do as well as I do in school, a few even better.
Clinton was a bad president, no doubt about it.
Bush is a bad president, no doubt about that.
We the people of the United States of America are to blame for not investigating these people further.
Congress is to blame for giving those 2 dogs too much free roam on their leashes.
The media is to blame for sensationalizing everything that doesn't matter and burying all the information that did matter. Blame goes in all directions and this is still a democratic-republic (we have a house AND senate, that's a democratic-republic...nothing else but.) The USA still has many laws going all the way back to the 1600s..the blue laws...the origin of all the age limits on boozing (my fav't past time). In some states out west it's still illegal to steal horses and the punishment can be a good ol' hanging. There are a lot of laws still in the books that need to be cleaned out. in Georgia it is illegal to have more than 1.75L of alcohol in your car at any given time...law goes back to AL Capone's rum running business along I-95. Ever heard of anyone being hung for cattle rustling or going to jail for rum running, hell no.
I hate lawyers, I hate politicians, and I hate people who play the blame game (mostly lawyers and politicians). They ALL lie, cheat and steal on your tax dollar. With this new age of information I can pull up on google a ton of information on all of the candidates running in any election in less than 10 minutes of time. Weigh your sources for credibility, just cuz it was the intarweb doesn't mean it was true.
Vote.
Our government and military grows and shrinks, we go from liberal to conservative like a pendalum swinging.
There's no one answer, and time is on our side.
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What about the people that are innocent yet still steamrolled by the RIAA? Do they not have any rights? The RIAA wants to make MP3 players and iPods illegal. How fair is that?
The artists do get paid for what they are doing. Because this is a free-market economy, they are getting paid what they are worth. I am not going to pay $13 for a whole CD just because I like one song. The music industry has been running on an inflated cash flow because there was no way to buy only the song you wanted until the Internet came along. Because of this, the RIAA is throwing a tantrum. They want to preserve their "$13 for one song" model, and it isn't going to happen.
One last question. How much time and energy goes into your average song?
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Dumb is as dumb speaks ....
More than 3000 citizens murdered at work on 911. More than 3000 of our brave warriors sent to die for the whimsical lies of a US President. People die from anthrax bio-poison, millions of illegal unidentifiable non-US people crossing open borders, Customs Agents (patriotic political prisoners) doing a great job are sent to prison by a puppet court ....
I can make a much bigger and far more significant list, then any dumb delusional religious dogmatic, for the present WH admin, and the congress has been equally evil by standing aside and letting all these horrors over the Bush-Iraq quagmire happen to US, EU, Iraq ....
The terrorist get away, the anthrax murder never found, Mexican Drug-Thugs go free and the US Customs agents go to prison, law enforcement (Justice Dept) knows don't ask corporatist and they will not tell about exploitation of illegal workers/employees. We, "The Citizens" and our warriors, have been screwed by democrat and republican politicians for the past few decades more than any time in history. I am reminded of reading about the fall of Athens, Carthage, Rome ... our politicians are destroying everything for which our forefathers worked and died ... No DRAFT, means NOT MY CHILD left behind in a battlefield grave. Many Vietnam era guard units were proxy draft-dodger puppet post for rich children ... the poor draft-dodger ran for Canada. Our REAL PATRIOTS serve in war-zones not proxy cock-sucker post at home.
We no longer have a Christian, Capitalist, Democratic ... culture in the USA. The USA culture is now based on bending-over for corporatist and plutocrats servicing
We need to always vote the incumbent politician out of office from President to any elected dog catcher. We need return to a Government for the People and By the People. Career politicians are destroying US ... just like Athens, Carthage, Rome ....
FUCK THE POOR, FEED THE WEALTHY.
BLEED THE POOR, PRAISE FAUX-FEALTY.
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If your friend jumped off the Brooklyn Bridge...
Yeah. Great foundation on which to build a civil society.
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Re: 199,999,999?
Several years back someone posted one of my small software company's commercial applications on an illegal software swapping bboard -- openly boasting that he couldn't be caught, since he had posted it "anonymously". It took all of twenty minutes to track him down. He was a police officer! (His personal web site had a long tribute to Ronald Reagan.)
I'm all for open source software -- and have participated in writing some. But when an individual or business decides it wants to make $ by selling copyrighted soft content, it is simply wrong for others to take it without permission and post copies of it for others to grab for free.
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Revolutionaries are heros
At the time it was considered an illegal act. They were viewed as thugs and criminals. But today, our children are taught this story as if they were hero's - champions who took a chance to force change which benefited everyone.
Today's file sharers are tomorrow's hero's. We will look back someday (in a different world) and realize that we forced a change that took the power from a select few and gave it back to the people.
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Let's just say not every one signed up to the (corporation bought) copywrite laws.
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Shoplifting should be legal too!!!
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That isn't true and is nonsense. At one point most of the citizen's in the south wanted slavery, but it was unreasonable (wrong) so it was made illegal. And I could give a hundred more examples that show the same thing. Again, the mob making the rules is in no one's best interest in the long run.
Re: "another issue":
Which "minorities" are you talking about anyway (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1305063.stm). And which "minorities" are getting everything they want? I assume you must be talking about the white upperclass? They are the only ones that fit your description.
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gw???wtf???
"Any man whose errors take ten years to correct is quite a man." ~J. Robert Oppenheimer (speaking about Albert Einstein)
anyway, this article is simply saying that the government is the embodiment of "we the people." if the majority of americans believe something, the government has an obligation to change to reflect the will of the people. if it doesn't, then it no longer seeks to serve the people, but to control them. at that point our democratic republic will die. if that is our path, i for one am willing to fight to stop it.
if you really want to do something, we need term limits in congress. if you disagree with me, then tell me why we have FOSSILS making laws for tech they don't understand. just like how the fcc and the feds want all internet traffic to go through a central location so they can spy if they need to. that's like having every single person go to washington dc every year to get a drivers license renewed. the bottom line is that i would trust most of you to make policy than say.......senator kennady (who murdered a woman, went home to shower, and called police later about his "accident." did i mention that she was pregnant???) we need to get fresh faces in there so that the policies will stop representing the previous era.
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In communist Russia, the laws change you.
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Idiot or matermind?
But, even if Bush isn't an idiot, he's certainly a very poor public speaker, lier, full of contradiction, and not at all charismatic, a quality needed in any leader, even if its dangerous (Adolf Hitler, anyone?).
But then many others in his administration are the same way. They lie or contradict themselves often enough its just entertainment at this point. Maybe its just the way it is for being a politician. Could explain why we hate politicians so much.
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the teachers union hated me and i ate lunch in my car.
you can't teach 39 non-swimmers to learn how to swim in a one hour a week lesson!
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Re: re: education @ Extreme Centrist
I see where you are coming from now. Teachers make good money after they pay their dues for a long time. Making entry into teaching easier is something I fully support. I also think teachers should be able to teach while an assistant helps to maintain order. I believe some schools in the 'burbs do that, but I sure don't see it in the inner-city schools, where it is desperately needed.
A friend teaches kindergarten. During a potty break, three kids didn't come out of the bathroom. They were busy beating up a first grader. That happened this school year. I not sure how she does it.
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free world
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What do American schools have to do with the MPAA or the RIAA? Save your babbling for a related thread.
Furthermore, I seriously doubt that the RIAA or the MPAA have the manpower to convict the amount of people who are continiung to pirate music, software, and movies everyday (granted, the RIAA and the MPAA have nothing to do with pirated software.. nevertheless, the point still stands). The statement, "200 milllion americans cant be convicts, however, is completely true. As much as many of you would like to believe that we are living in a police state, it isnt happening. Your meager suggestions are vividly thin. If the majority of America were to be imprisoned, who then, would pay for said prisons?
This is a simple transgression. Millions of people are taking items which companies are selling, for free - without consent. A personal theory of mine is that the RIAA and MPAA make the few moves they do make so impacting that everyone hears about them. So that people freely downloading music will be looking over their shoulder, wandering, am "I" next? Ill say it again: These companies cannot possibly punish everyone breaking these laws.
When you download music, you are taking a risk. So stop complaining. Oh and... what is going on? Why does everything have to return to a G.W. Slamfest? Your blanketing statements are sophmoric, and philistine. The man isnt the shiniest rock in the box, but for christ sakes.. the man cant catch a break.
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Yeah, you'd like for people to believe that, wouldn't you? Luckily, not everyone is as stupid as you'd like for them to be.
Who says they'd have to be in a physical prison? By the way, most people forget that the constitutional amendment that abolished slavery exempted "prisoners", so slavery is still perfectly legal in U.S. prisons.
Guess I better stay away from iTunes then. You guys are really upset that Apple won't let you set the prices, aren't you?
The man is a regular genius, compared to you.
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two cents worth
If you are a thief you are a thief.
It is however a law that can not be enforced, therefor a bad law. But only because our population is comprised of morally broken people. And they are the same "mob" that would object to the enforcement of the very laws that protect them, on the grounds that they are the law breakers.
You better be willing to kill me to steal from me, because I am willing to kill you and or to die as I protect myself and property.
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www.manhattan-institute.org/html/_nypost_teacher_pay_myth.htm
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According to the U.S. Department of Labor, the average public elementary school teacher in the United States earns about $30.75 an hour. The average hourly pay of other public-service employees - such as firefighters ($17.91) or police officers ($22.64) - pales in comparison.
Indeed, teachers' hourly rate exceeds even those in professions that require far more training and expertise. Compare the schoolteacher's $30.75 to the average biologist's $28.07 an hour - or the mechanical engineer's $29.76 or the chemist's $30.68.
Whose hourly pay is competitive with that of teachers? Computer scientists ($32.86), dentists ($35.51) and even nuclear engineers ($36.16).
Note, too, that these hourly figures exclude benefits, such as health coverage and retirement accounts, which are typically more generous for government employees, such as teachers, than for private-sector workers.
New York City's teachers are especially well paid. According to the state's school district profile, the median teacher in the city earns $53,017 a year. Unfortunately, information on the number of hours worked by the average teacher in the City is not readily available. But, if we make the generous assumption that the average teacher in New York works the maximum 6.6 hours a day allowed by the union contract for the full 181 school days, that works out to $44.38 an hour.
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Any one of those that listed others are irrelevant...
What was Nixons greates hit list?
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There's a crazy force right under the surface that could steal from both sides... The Dems seem too Left, dislike business. Repubs seem too much in a quandry, trying to figure out their head from their tail.
Perfect time for a good 3rd party to come into the picture, eh?
I couldn't agree more my friend... it's amazing how many people buy into all this crap nowadays.
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Internet & Free stuff
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Thanks for the hollow insults -- I sure hope it gave you a good chuckle.
For starters though, it's absurd if you thouhgt i believed that the RIAA/MPAA was some sort of sentient entity that was above the law and could convct people from their own offices. My mistake though, I imagined people reading this would have general knowledge on how things worked here in America. My apologies, i'll leave my words more concise next time.
As far as the police state goes, you didnt offer up anything of value. Put out the dubie, and once the smoke clears maybe you'll see that we arent in some "metaphorical prison man."
iTunes is a great service, albeit, slightly overpriced. They are heading in the right direction, and I applaud them for that. Yet, who are the "guys" you refer to? Once again, your point is diminished by your attempt to belittle me. Stop chasing the straw-man, and deal with the real arguement.
Lastly, you didnt answer my question about G.W. And gauging from your response, you should be on my side -- as you lightly sprinkle praises on his shoulders; what gives?
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Many do. You do not appear to be one of them though.
More "true" might be better.
No value to you anyway.
Do you really believe that all felons are in prison? You've never heard of probation, parole or completion of sentence? And you claim to "have general knowledge on how things worked here in America"? Talk about smoking something. Sheesh.
Well, you're the one who wrote that "When you download music, you are taking a risk." That would make using iTunes risky. Is that what makes it so great? Or did you not really mean what you wrote, once again?
Nope, didn't care to. Can't put anything past you, can we?
Way over, no need for you to duck.
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Give me a break
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You are all missing the question
America was once free but courption and greed has taken over police, congress, and yes the president and his party.
Everyone Has to go through a Check point in order to leave this contry "Have you got papers" the gustope asked?
Have you got visa? have you the necessary papers to leave this country.
I thought The Constitution made it Very clear, These men were not as stupid as we and our politions are!
We are free, and a courpt Government can not make descions based on greed and for their personal agenda.
Look up the $20 billion dollar (for arms)deal with Shir lanka
We are the youngest New Country on planet Earth, Don't be afraid if we make mistakes on the government level. Qusetion their judgement and take action.
Remember Let Freedom ring, God bless all.
Ron paul for President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yeah
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