Net Effect Of Energy-Saving Early Switch To Daylight Savings Time: Nothing
from the didn't-see-this-one-coming dept
While the early switch to daylight savings didn't cause many real problems, it was something of a nuisance. Part of the supposed rationale for the early switch -- in addition to reduced crime, less traffic accidents and increased economic activity was to save energy, because there will be more light in the evening and people will use less lighting. Of course, there's less light in the morning, so people's power needs then will increase. So what was the end effect of this early shift? Essentially nothing, as several large utilities say they haven't seen any noticeable change in their customers' power consumption. But don't let that detract from the warm, fuzzy feeling you get knowing American politicians are serious in their hunt for ways to conserve energy.
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I think Congress has over-stepped their boundaries when they created DST.
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Re: Liberal Idiot
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Just a stupid feel-good measure since there are no anti-DST lobbyists to oppose it.
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Only in the USA
Thank God Dubya and his political circus can NOT run again in 08. I'm counting the days...
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Re: Only in the USA
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Voting
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DST . . .
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Re: DST . . .
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Not about energy
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Voting
Secondly, DST has been on the books well before Bush took office. It just seemed like a good idea to bump up the start time (ok, I admit between that sounding dumb and it being dumb someone thought it was a good enough idea).
Secondly this was backed by a lot of people in Congress...thus making it both a Republican and a Democrat problem.
On a side note to AC #3, DST was thought up by Benjamin Franklin...I doubt you want him as president at this point (I'm fairly certain he wouldn't take it if elected.)
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PermaDST
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DST
Did you ever notice how conservative people are usually happier, more positive and optimistic than liberal people? It seems Liberals aren't happy unless they have things to complain about, real or imagined.
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Yes, and leave it to the conservatives to say what's on their mind AFTER the liberals have their shot. Lazy conservatives.
But as far as DST goes, I might be more inclined to "enjoy" the sunshine if it was not for the fact that it has been snowing for the past week! Maybe DST makes more sense in the Southern states, but up North it is just an excuse to drudge up the semi-annual memory of how to reset every clock in the house.
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Re: DST
Yeah... Ignorance is bliss.
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Re: DST
Did you ever notice the statistics how DST causes billions of dollars of waste due to people being less efficient for several weeks after each time change? Leave it to partisan politics to ignore the financial ramifications and talk about birds chirping. Fiscal conservatives my butt. Why don't all Republicans admit that they won the game of who steals dumb ideas faster and call themselves Democrats too. So instead of two useless parties we can have one. Punks.
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Stupid liberal comments
STFU. You are stupid. You are a blind liberal who probably dresses like a factory worker but had never worked a day your life.
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Agitprop posts turning forum into digg.com
People: please take the highroad and don't feed the trolls! I think it may be time to build in an "ignore user" button.
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DST
If you truly are a tree hugger, extending daylight savings gives you a little more daylight to hug a few more. Knock yourself out... there's plenty to hug (I'm sure you can argue that too.)
Go get some extra sunshine... you're probably pale enough as it is... and no... computer monitors won't give you a tan.
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AZ & IN have it right
DST legislation is merely an attempt to make the shops open at more favorable hours so you'll spend more money. Well if the shops need to alter their hours to entice more customers, don't you think they'd do that anyway? Do we really need to waste time on LAWS for this stuff? The candy lobby is happy because now Halloween falls within the DST parameters which they feel will equate to more candy sales. Apparently, it just adds to alcohol sales and Liberal bashing.
There are bigger and more important issues to deal with over people adjusting their clocks twice a year. If you want to alter this law, do so by getting rid of it.
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Don't like to shop? Fine. Don't. Go home and curl up in bed at 9:00, while the sun is still shining. No one will mind, least of all me. By 9:00 pm, I'm just teeing off at the 16th hole...
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No, actually our conservative IT department used WSUS to push out the DST patch, so we didn't waste all our time going to each PC, it was automatic. Imagine that.
All this is, is Bush's way of trying to seem 'eco-friendly'. Because it's a 'trendy' thing now to babble on about the environment.
Maybe if these hypocritical politicians, the LEFT included, would quit fly private jets everywhere, only to get off the jet and hop in a Limo, then 'greenhouse' gases wouldn't be so much of an issue.
The left..... the right..... they just have different methods of bending over the population and then stealing from them blind.
Do you people seriously think with all the politics involved there's an SCIENTIFIC truth to global warming?
Usually, when politics is involved - science is not. REAL science anyway... :)
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More Energy Savings....
Lets remove the DRM from all Media, this will save energy by reducing the CPU usage on the computers by not having to decode the music and videos.
Thus Saving Energy.....
Throw in a S.W.A.G. of 12% savings with no DRM....
Not to mention, the Record and Movie Industry might make More Money!
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Energy saved, then wasted again
Refer to the article, endorsed by the official government time site.
Happy Daylight-Saving Time,
ATN
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Costs....
Just a thought....
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Get Al Gore, GW Bush, John Kerry, Jeb Bush, Nancy Pelosi, and all the rest of these elite snobs to drop the heat 2 degrees in their 24,000 square foot mansions. Maybe they should fly commercial instead of in their comfy little private jets.
Or perhaps just maybe not leave their limos idling all day. Or perhaps even only have ONE mansion to heat and not 3 or 4...
And they sit and watch the population go back and forth supporting their side while they get richer and laugh at us all.
It's like taking sides between ol' Joe Stalin and lil' Buddy Adolf Hitler.
They sit in their posh mansions - telling *US* to conserve power, ROFLMFAO. They are the ones elected to deal with these issues - wanna conserve power? Start by mandating all members of government start flying using COMMERCIAL planes, not private. Then next, knock them off their pedistal of self-importance and sell the limos to the music industry and pay some of the national debt.
Hybrids are such wonderful cars? Ok, then give each member of congress a nice little hybrid they can put their own fat ass behind the driver seat of and drive the mo$%ther fu%#er...
You know what - UNTIL congress does that... I'm going to gas up each day at high noon, and look for a V8 to buy.
Oh nm - they'd love that too, since they have the gas companies in their right pocket.
Or wait - that's just the republicans...
Yeah, the democrats have the battery and capacitor companies in their pockets...
Ahhh, now I see the real reason we need to switch to hybrids..
You people that wanna come in here and argue for one side or the other... Take comfort in the fact that you are mindless partisan sheep. Open your eyes and see that both sides are screwing you....
Seriously - if Al Gore was SO very worried about the environment - would he really be 'ok' with 3 mansions and flying a private jet?
And... ROFL no.... energy credits do nothing to stop carbon emissions from the private jets and coal power plants he's using to keep him fat and happy.
*swoosh* I'm captain energy credit and I've come to take away Al Gore's smog
lol
I just sit back and think..... WTF?
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Congress is not telling people to conserver energy outright. They are just hoping by pushing back DST that people will naturally use less energy. If everyone had to abide by your dumb little rant, we'd all have hybrid cars, live in the same sized house, and fly commercial. Hmm...sounds like a sci-fi movie to me.
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Serious in the hunt...
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Just change the work day
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@#10 / Luke - If Franklin was president, he'd make Clinton look like a choirboy. ;-)
@#13 / Republican Gun - Nothing wrong with dressing like a factory worker! :-P
Oh, yeah, and... Fuck DST. Leave my goddamn clock alone!
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Energy conservation
And don't tell me you need a Suburban to take your daughter to soccer practice. Whenever I see a Suburban with a W sticker on the back I just want to run my keys down the side of it. At some point after the election you're just being smug and you should have to pay for your vanity. And for destroying America and the environment.
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Yes, the SUV proliferation is rather interesting, but people will buy what they want. Such is life. However, if gas prices were bad enough, I'm sure you'd see a few changes. Even @ $5/gal ($1.32/L) I think there will still be many holdouts.
I hope you realize that words mean things. Property damaging thugs, especially those that key vehicles, piss multitudes of people off. I don't care how you justify your feelings, there's no excuse for damaging someone else's vehicle or personal property because of a bloody sticker.
Gads, the last thing America needs right now is more personal-political revenge mongers. These are the type of attitudes and speech that are dividing the country. Whether you realize it or not, exacting your personal revenge against an individual in the name of vanity and the environment for what they drive and for whom they vote contributes to the very destruction you decry.
The solution is personal action. Lies and personal-political revenge do not become us.
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The point of my comment, and i agree wholeheartedly that we are sheep, is that they ALL are idiots. This is supposed to be about saving money, and conserving energy. My point was that thr Republicans controlled the Congress, and the oval office at the said time this rediculous bill was passed. The point is, that even if we save an hour in the morning, or evening, you still turn lights on because its dark, and you are still using electricity. The sun still rises and sets, and we have no control.
BTW, I am on one computer writing this, the other tower is sitting there just for my networked drives, and my laptop is on standby just in case i feel like playing with it. I don't think the time change actually helped in this instance, cause guess what, I'd do this normally anyway.
I guess habits are hard to break, and people won't change, and we aren't saving a penny, huh. Stick that in your pipe and smoke it. AND I am pretty balanced between left and right, just for the benefit of giving you something else to bitch about.
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Completely Useless!
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Time for a round up me tinks...
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My 2 Cents
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Love the extra light!
It means being able to do things after work earlier in the year.
No, probably not worth the cost in doing ... but as we have it .. I'm loving it.
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more shopping?
Shopping tends to be done on the inside of buildings not the outside. Plus banks and other places that all close before I get home from work have not been affected by the hour extra of day light, I still can't go to those places no matter when the sun sets.
But I do agree, it's about time to be done with DST, we're moving away from agriculture and with new fangled farming equiptment with 100 high wattage landing lights on their new tank tracked super tractor, they'll be just fine when they go to plow or harvest. I'd rather have more light at night, vs the morning any day of the week!
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Human Nature
Really though, someone made a great point - why doesn't everyone just go to work an hour earlier and come home an hour earlier? Especially given that lots of people can make their own hours these days.
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What? Nothing
3 weeks of additional hours of daylight in the evening without any chance in energy consumption ...
far from nothing.
I think the OP has a glass is half-empty approach to life.
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Agree with #26
Both sides do suck.
They really are all screwing all of us over.
It is like 1984. Doesn't really matter who is in control, as long as those with control keep it over those without.
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grow up.
if the only thing you can do is bash, then leave.
if you have an (OMG) idea, then please make a suggestion.
otherwise, STFU.
you are all morons.
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The sunshine
Cha-ching!
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dalight saving time
shopping hours are not extended, bussiness open and close on a schedule.
finally, how does changing the clock make the day longer than 24 hours?
THINK before who rant, you are only communicating your ignorance to everyone.
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