Latest Telco Fee: Your Fee For Not Paying Fees

from the do-you-have-to-pay-a-fee-to-find-out-about-your-fees dept

For many years, we've had stories about people getting incredibly pissed off at hidden fees, often from the telco industry. The industry tries to defend those fees, but they're really just ways of lying about the actual price so they can advertise low prices and actually charge you a lot more. The telcos really love these fees. Remember last year when telcos no longer had to charge a certain government mandated fee, and instead simply replaced it with a new fee with a meaningless name that they just got to pocket? The latest is also a fun one. Chronno S. Trigger lets us know that Verizon is charging some customers a fee for not using its long distance service. Yes, you read that right. There's a $2 fee for some customers if they don't make any long distance calls. But, it gets even better. If you want to get rid of it, you can pay a one-time fee of $6.75 to block all long distance calls on your phone. Verizon, almost comically, tries to defend the $2 fee by coming up with an absolutely bizarre example: "Because what they're helping to do is supporting the network they would use if their cousin Tillie is critically ill in California and they need to arrange a critical-care nurse." Oh, of course. If only Verizon had said it was all so I could help cousin Tillie in the first place, I'm sure everyone would be thrilled to pay the fee. In the meantime, will Verizon be okay if its customers charge it a fee for having to waste time understanding all its fees? How about if they swear that money will go towards helping poor cousin Tillie who needs a critical-care nurse? Verizon obviously wouldn't mind that.
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  • identicon
    dorpus, 4 May 2007 @ 7:09am

    Verizon, heh

    Why do they even bother advertising that they have the best coverage of any network? My consistent experience with them has been that they have no signal on large stretches of rural roads, plus I couldn't even get a signal in my last two apartments. Cingular has worked better for me, not that they are any more ethical.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    A Non-Mouse Cow Herd, 4 May 2007 @ 7:09am

    hrmmm

    I thought for sure you would have reverted back to your old layout.

    Oh well, time to remove TD from my /ig

    Its a pity that you decided to yahoo a perfectly google site.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Matt Bennett, 4 May 2007 @ 8:03am

      Re: hrmmm

      Well, that was unnecessarily snippy.

      But I don't like the new look either, just so you have it on record.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        jordan, 4 May 2007 @ 8:30am

        Re: Re: hrmmm

        agreed

        link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Dosquatch, 4 May 2007 @ 8:43am

        Re: Re: hrmmm

        Hey, guys, be nice now. I grant, the new color scheme could use a bit of retooling... the opening splash is a touch heavy-handed... but otherwise, the refresh to the layout seems pretty clean and functional to me.

        Oh, hey, and this nifty new pop-over for replies rocks!

        link to this | view in chronology ]

        • identicon
          Dosquatch, 4 May 2007 @ 8:48am

          Re: hrmmm

          ... and it still chains "Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: ", I do wish that was fixed. Y'know, since everything here hinges on my opinion ;-)

          I guess what I'm saying, though, is constructive criticism is a better way to go than just flinging dung.

          link to this | view in chronology ]

          • identicon
            erinol0, 4 May 2007 @ 9:35am

            Re: hrmmm

            looks better in Firefox. When I use IE to view the page, the page gets squeezed to the right, and the sidebar is at the bottom left.
            Is that part of everyone's issue with the layout? I must say I like it, although I agree that the view should be threaded by default. Also, I like the pop-over for replies.

            link to this | view in chronology ]

            • identicon
              Dosquatch, 4 May 2007 @ 10:17am

              Re: hrmmm

              [...] I agree that the view should be threaded by default.

              You can set this. Up in the cream-colored toolbar, all the way to the right, "Your Preferences". There's a radio button that'll let you set threaded as the default. I think it's per computer, though, so if you read TD from multiple machines you might have to set it more than once.

              link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Alan, 4 May 2007 @ 9:12am

      Re: hrmmm

      I agree, the former format was WAY better. This one sucks... And why arent comments threaded by default...you would think this to be the preferred view.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

      • identicon
        Eric the Grey, 4 May 2007 @ 9:39am

        Re: Re: hrmmm

        There is "Your Preferences" link at the top of the page where you can set that.

        Overall, I did prefer the old layout, but this is not so bad as to drive me away.


        EtG

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      • identicon
        Charles Griswold, 4 May 2007 @ 12:17pm

        Re: Re: hrmmm

        And why arent comments threaded by default...you would think this to be the preferred view.

        Personally, I prefer a flat view.

        link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Jerk, 4 May 2007 @ 8:28am

    Verizon & VZW both suck

    I speak from experience. My first cell phone was with Verizon. My parents had T-mobile. Inside my house, if I wanted to make (or receive, for that matter) a phone call, I had to lean against a window. My parents? No problem making/receiving calls.

    Now, as for their phone service, it, too, is crappy. I've since switched to Vongage (lol, might be Vonage-Verizon in the not-too-distant-future!)

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Help The Clueless, 4 May 2007 @ 8:36am

    First this is Verizon phone service not their cellular company. Secondly if another vendor has a tower closer to you by all means go with them, they will provide better service for you, there is no reason to come whine here about your inability to research a companies foot print in your area and claim ignorance when you get crappy service.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Royal Blue, 4 May 2007 @ 8:38am

    I encountered this same thing

    A few years back, I encountered this same exact thing with Verizon. It was a 4th line in the house that was NEVER used for LD calls, and I found out that there would be a monthly fee in order to carry no LD service.

    My sister suggested that she should send an invoice to everyone in the country for NOT using her company's services!

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    GoblinJuice, 4 May 2007 @ 9:15am

    Fees suck.

    Don't care about the new design/color scheme/whatever of TD. It works. That's all that matters.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Sanguine Dream, 4 May 2007 @ 9:29am

    Raked/Raped over the coals

    And this is why that $20/mn phone plus $24.99/mn DSL adds up to a $90 total bill.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Dosquatch, 4 May 2007 @ 10:28am

      Re: Raked/Raped over the coals

      VZW base plan: $69.99

      3 additional lines: $9.99/ea

      last bill: $124.78

      difference: $24.82 in misc crap charges over the "advertised price"

      I don't understand how this isn't false advertising. How long do you think Applebee's would get away with it if they padded the price of dinner out an extra $7 with "fees" and "charges" that weren't disclosed until after the meal?

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Patrick, 4 May 2007 @ 9:35am

    site

    The site looks just fine. A little class never hurts.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Bob, 4 May 2007 @ 9:37am

    Verizon's Fees

    We canceled LD with Verizon several years ago. The fee back then to drop it was $5.00. I was incredulous, but so wanted to get rid of it that at that point it was worth it. Apparently, the fee to do away with it has increased presumably because it requires so much work. :(

    link to this | view in chronology ]

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    R. Berlin (profile), 4 May 2007 @ 9:42am

    verizon

    Yes, it's $2.00 a month and here in Michigan the heap on the indignity by adding tax to that. Total $2.19 monthly for not making long distance calls. I'm so close to dropping the land line.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    DCX2, 4 May 2007 @ 10:27am

    It's just like cable or DSL

    For cable, they charge you an extra fee if you just get Cable Internet without any Cable TV.

    If you order DSL without a phone line, there's also an extra fee.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Dosquatch, 4 May 2007 @ 10:37am

      Re: It's just like cable or DSL

      The other side of that story is that the primary purpose of the line is to carry television signals. What they don't tell you is that "on" is "on", when they flip the switch so you can pick up the internet feed, basic cable flows down the wire just as well even if you haven't specifically ordered it.

      They can put clamping filters on the line so the broadcast frequencies don't pass, but they typically don't (unless they think there's a reason to) because those filters are a little on the pricey side. The extra fee is mostly to offset the people who know this and hook their televisions up after the installer has left.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Vernon, 4 May 2007 @ 10:47am

    Verizon is not alone...

    AT&T does the same thing if you "choose" them as your long distance company and you are their customer... Fees suck...

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    dai, 4 May 2007 @ 10:48am

    more than $2.00

    Actually, here in Boston my latest Verizon Landline bill says the fee is going from
    $2 to $4 as of May. Note that it's actually a minimum usage charge since the
    $2 (or $4) is applied to the LD calls that you do (or don't make).

    While this plan has "no monthly charge" (other than the
    minimum usage), they do offer a different LD plan that has a
    $3/month fee, and no mention of a minimum usage requirement.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 4 May 2007 @ 11:25am

    I'm sure everyone has cell phone horror stories about one carrier or the next. There's no point in bashing a carrier because they don't have good coverage in your area. It isn't indicative of anything. Just switch to the wireless service with best coverage. I find these "Verizon sucks because they have bad coverage in my limited local area of the country" comments to be utterly useless.

    In the Washington DC area Verizon is hands down the only carrier with even decent coverage for the whole metro area. You can even use your cell in the metro.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Chronno S. Trigger, 4 May 2007 @ 12:16pm

      Re:

      That's great and all but you'd think that they would strive to even have decent coverage in a city like Pittsburgh. (It's crap up here)

      And I can complain because I also have other horror stories about the bill and tech support. (wireless, wired, and DSL)

      link to this | view in chronology ]

    • identicon
      Sanguine Dream, 4 May 2007 @ 7:17pm

      Re:

      The complaints me prove useless in the end but I for one don't think being quiet is going to do any good either. I personally only have one choice for DSL (sprint), land line (sprint), and cell phone (US Cellular). When I'm in the shop of a different carrier I always mention the fact that there is only one choice in my area. I know it doesn't guarantee that competition will move in but it's elections. If you don't voice your opinion then you have business complaining.

      link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Raptor85, 4 May 2007 @ 12:40pm

    how to make verizon dsl a little bit cheaper

    I'm a verizon/vzw customer. (only DSL provider here is verizon, only cell with decent coverage is VZW, cingular normally ok but there's a ton of cingular dead zones, but back on topic..)
    If all you want from verizon is the dsl, not the phone service, ask them and they'll do it, you just have to pay some stupid line fee (but it's much smaller than a phone bill, like $6 a month IIRC)
    I have small buisness but at my old apartment i had it for VZ residential too.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    JR, 5 May 2007 @ 3:42am

    Re:

    I have VZ service. Was paying MCI $2/mo for a plan which I didn't use much. About 2001 or 2002, I changed the LD to a MCI plan with no monthly fee, then had VZ block access to MCI. No monthly or one-time fee. I can make 1-800 calls ok, and have an AT&T calling card for LD and any "just-beyond-local" calls I need. Bill is about $17/mo.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 6 May 2007 @ 6:27am

    Qwest does this too (i.e. charge people to not have long distance). Only its fee is 99 cents per month. They don't have a one time fee to get rid of the fee, but I wish they did. No I wish they didn't charge it at all.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    mkam, 7 May 2007 @ 5:03am

    Those f*ckers

    I just sent this to Verizon after I saw the fee


    Are you guys seriously charging 2 dollars minimum for me not using my long distance?
    As discussed on the web here:
    http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20070503/184330.shtml
    http://reporternews.com/news/2007/may /03/phone-companies-levy-new-fee-not-making-calls/

    If you answer yes I will be moving my home, DSL, and cell phone to other providers ASAP. ($200+ per month) This will be the most expensive $2.00 Verizon ever charged anyone. So remove the fee and stop sacrificing customer support for the immediate short-term financial gain.

    I look forward to your reply.


    I was on the fence with them anyway and this will push me over the edge.

    link to this | view in chronology ]

  • identicon
    njamen, 9 May 2007 @ 8:51am

    ask for a cable

    it is with plaesure for me to writing u this letter.
    i am a small boy for another country for ask a cable internet network for free give to me it.

    link to this | view in chronology ]


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