Google Kills Off Videos People Thought They Had Purchased

from the see-why-DRM-sucks? dept

Mon, Aug 13th 2007 7:20am — Mike Masnick

It's tough for many to remember these days, following the growth of YouTube and free videos online, but in January of 2006, when Google launched its online video service it was supposed to change the world. Remember, they had all these partners signed up who were going to sell video content via Google? It seemed pretty pointless at the time and the near total failure of the video sales to take off simply confirmed it. One of the key points that seemed particularly poorly thought out was the decision to create yet another type of DRM that would require the content you bought to call home every time you wanted to play it. Plenty of people pointed out all of the problems with this idea, with one big one being that, should Google ever kill the service, the content people "bought" would no longer be available. Guess what? Google is killing off the service and the content people "bought" will no longer be available. Apparently Google is handing out credits for Google Checkout for those who bought videos, but they can't use those credits to buy the videos anywhere else. Of course, chances are many of those videos are now available for free on Google-owned YouTube, but that's a separate point. In the meantime, does anyone else find it ridiculous that anyone who makes or uses any kind of tool to circumvent this DRM to view the content that they legally purchased will now be breaking the DMCA's anti-circumvention laws and could face jailtime?

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Crosbie Fitch (profile), 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:00am

Not circumvention to view
It depends upon the interpretation of your jurisdiction, but strictly speaking the DMCA prohibits circumvention of TPMs in order to infringe copyright (make infringing copies).

1) Viewing is not a copyright infringement.
2) Ephemeral copies created in the process of viewing do not constitute copyright infringement.
3) Therefore circumvention for the purpose of viewing does not constitute violation of copyright or the DMCA/EUCD, etc.
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StinkBait, 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:32am

Re: Not circumvention to view
Don't worry, the *AA will soon buy an amendment to their already-purchased legislation to make watching their movies illegal, unless it's on an approved media player connected by approved cables to an approved television set.
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Chris, 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:35am

Re: Re: Not circumvention to view
And going to approved eyes and ears in approved audiences at approved locations and at approved times
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Tommy, 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:39am

On the other hand...
Google is big. Google is huge. Google has lots and lots of money. Yet Google failed and screwed its customers - leaving them high and dry with useless DRM'd content. If this can happen to Google it can happen to any company. What an excellent example for the (few) lawmakers not on big media's payroll or for judges facing decisions on DRM'd content.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:48am

I'm glad this finally happened ... maybe it will wake up iTunes users:
Google selleth then taketh away [showing evil power of DRM] (via hymn project) ...

> Also, it may not be up to Apple ... what if
> Universal (who just stopped selling on iTunes)
> decided that their agreement entitled them to
> un-sell all their music on iTunes, initiated a
> lawsuit, and won ... and then Apple was forced
> to un-sell all songs sold by Universal. Or, if
> Eminem wins his suit where he's claiming that
> Apple didn't have the right to sell his stuff
> in the first place.
>
> Scary stuff.
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nipseyrussell, 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:52am

hence, why i would not buy any DRM'ed content
(excluding DVDs and the like that are on established physical media)
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MEoip, 13 Aug 2007 @ 8:56am

Why
I would have thought better of google. Maybe partner with Netflicks to give everyone a few free months of service. Or get them copies on Itunes. I wonder how many videos were bought using this service?
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Just Me, 13 Aug 2007 @ 9:13am

Hey!!
How DARE You!!?? Just because you BOUGHT a video you think that gives you the right to enjoy it??!!

What IS this world coming to?

Honestly people. What are you thinking??
:-Þ
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Derek Kerton (profile), 13 Aug 2007 @ 9:32am

Getting Out Of DRM?
On the upside, does this mean that Google has learned a lesson, and is getting out of the DRM world of partnering and being toady to big media?

I'm glad they're ditching this plan, with my apologies to those getting screwed. Now, once bitten, they and other companies will be reluctant to play according to Hollywood's rulebook.
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Dan, 13 Aug 2007 @ 9:33am

Perhaps google understands side effects that this
It would be to google's advantage to have less DRM on products from the media industry, and they had this division of the company was doing poorly. This will help show the major problem that exists with current DRM, and it will give ammo to those who argue against DRM.
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Buzzfriendly, 13 Aug 2007 @ 10:19am

DRM
It doesn't work, it doesn't stop piracy, it punishes the legitimate users and fails to stop the pirates it was intended for. Yet the MPAA and RIAA just keep pushing it. Far as I am concerned the can continue to spend until they are broke and can no longer fight. Then they will claim to have this great idea of non DRM material and the problem will self correct. Well I could say more but RipIT4ME just finished so time to change media.
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jhozae, 13 Aug 2007 @ 11:37am

Re: On the other hand...
Goggle...the new, and improved, Microsoft.
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Chris, 13 Aug 2007 @ 12:06pm

THe alternative
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Chris, 13 Aug 2007 @ 12:07pm

The alternative
Well, this story has scared me so much I refuse to legally buy DRMed content and will now turn to the pirate bay
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ThreeToedSloth, 13 Aug 2007 @ 12:36pm

This is why
I won't download it if it's DRM'd. Just won't do it, won't play that game.

What these money-hungry, offended companies don't realize is that they're FORCING honest (yep, HONEST) people to resort to either leaving the internet table without ordering their DRM infested content, or getting it through "third party sales" that have removed DRM protection.

What a circle-jerk.....
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Nicholas, 13 Aug 2007 @ 1:49pm

Blah
Well, there goes the two videos I purchased.

Thanks a lot, Google, for taking my trust in your company down about 50 notches.

My blog: http://www.pdsys.org/blog/
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Steve R. (profile), 13 Aug 2007 @ 1:56pm

This goes beyond DRM
I've been raising this potential issue for the past two years. Hopefully, the public will begin to realize how bad DRM is to them.

This issue actually goes beyond DRM. We now depend on company websites to provide us with updates on all types of software and products. The availability of updates on the internet can also mysteriously disappear. Companies, when they discontinue, a software product should make a final version of that product available to their customers.
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Buzz, 13 Aug 2007 @ 2:21pm

Re: Blah
I understand why you feel that way, but would you rather Google had gone on offering their DRM-infested content? Google knew this would happen, but it was a better choice than letting it fester on. DRM sux.
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Nicholas, 13 Aug 2007 @ 4:43pm

Buzz,
Buzz,

I would rather they had fully refunded the money I spent on my videos, or re-released them in a DRM-free format.
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PaulT, 14 Aug 2007 @ 12:54am

Re: Not circumvention to view
Yes, but doesn't the DMCA also prohibit the distribution of tools to circumvent the DRM? A hacker can certainly circumvent the DRM for their own use, but if they released a tool online saying "hey, everyone else who got screwed by Google, here's a program to let you watch the videos you bought again", wouldn't they be open to prosecution?
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Crosbie Fitch (profile), 14 Aug 2007 @ 2:25am

Not circumvention tool to view
The tool would probably need to show intent and predominant use to re-enable viewing rather than facilitate/induce copyright infringement by circumvention of TPMs.

This is why the developers of such a tool should probably remain pseudonymous and distribute the source code on file sharing networks - because it would inevitably have a predominant use for copyright infringement.

The funny thing is MPAA needs circumvention tools too - if they want to circumvent the encryption TPMs that file-sharers might use, in order to inspect the copies of works that they're sharing. After all, how can they know whether people are sharing home movies* or Hollywood blockbusters unless they can circumvent the sharer's TPMs?

* Home movies are copyrighted too.
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|333173|3|_||3, 14 Aug 2007 @ 4:12am

Re: Not circumvention tool to view
THis gives me an idea: If everyone who distributed home movies on the web put a liscence on the video which stated that it was not to be viewed by any employees or contracctors of the MPAA or member companies, and then people stated to add this to the behgining of copyvio movies, then the MPAA would have to break the liscence on legitimate home movies to find out if the files were illegal or not.

Also, if a new file-0sharing format is invented, the rights to make a client for it should be liscenced subject to terms which prevent the use of any information gained by use of the service for any commercial purpose, or to provie evidence for a lawsuit, with a further clasue preventing its use at all if such a condition is illegal. THis would enable users to transmit files with impunity, since if the *AA wanted to gather evidence of uploading, they would have to break the terms of the liscence, and the inventor of the network could sue them through the nose for every infringement.
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Anonymous Coward, 14 Aug 2007 @ 5:45am

Re: Not circumvention to view
that doesn't fly at all...

it is forbidden to, in any way, try to crack or circumvent a (digital) copy protection
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mike allen, 14 Aug 2007 @ 9:29am

I have got rid of DRM from vids and wil comtinue to do so and before you lot yell and shout I am not in the USA
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