Is It Copyright Infringement To Skip Commercials?
from the please-explain dept
A little over a year ago, we wrote about a lawsuit where a bunch of media companies were suing Flying J, the operator of a number of truck stops. Apparently, Flying J had installed a neat little bit of technology that would recognize when commercials came on TV and replace them with its own ads (which Flying J had sold to advertisers who wanted to target truckers). As we said at the time, it actually makes perfectly good sense to show targeted ads to truck drives, and it wasn't entirely clear what argument the broadcasters could make. After all, commercial skipping is legal (even if the entertainment industry doesn't want to believe it). Unfortunately, a judge disagreed and has ruled against Flying J, saying that the act of skipping commercials is copyright infringement. Copyright expert William Patry can't figure out how that could logically make sense. After all, Flying J had paid for a license to show TV at its establishments. So that's legal. If it had just been showing TV without the ad insertion technology (called the segOne) then it would have been perfectly legal. You could even take the argument one step further and say that if Flying J employees turned off the TV whenever commercials were on (or, more realistically, changed the channel), it would still be perfectly legal. The only thing that seems to have somehow made this illegal is the introduction of the automated device, which doesn't even do anything to the broadcasters' content (which, again, has already been paid for). It's just blocking third party content, but that third party isn't a part of the case. So it's difficult to see how this is copyright infringement at all. Instead, it sounds a lot more like felony interference of a business model masquerading as copyright infringement.
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How is this different from cable?
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everything is copyright infringement
humming a tune without paying for licensing
talking during a commercial
going to the bathroom during a commercial
fast forwarding thru a commercial
skipping the ads at the beginning of a dvd
talking during the ads ad the theater
watching a premium channel at a friend's house
watching a sporting event at a friend's house
thinking about a song, movie, or tv program
talking about a song, movie, or tv program
thinking about talking about a song, movie, or tv program
talking about thinking about a song, movie, or tv program
it's very difficult to live without infringing on copyrights. it's best to just give all your money and posessions to hollywood and pray that they are merciful.
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Still, I can't see how the cable companies are losing money over this. It's not like Macy's will pull their ads because a bunch of truckers won't see their ad.
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Copyright this, mf!!!!
My question is,exactly what copyright are they infringing upon, by bypassing original content with content that actually meets the consumers need.
I mean broadcasters already do this with regular cable to meet a target audience. They broadcast more toy commercials on Saturday morning cartoons, and more tampon ads during soap operas for example
I looked up copyright infringement on the web and found this definition:
Violation of copyright through unauthorized copying or use of a work or other subject matter under copyright.
Not showing the original commercials has nothing to do with copyright.
That judge is clearly a moron.
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The commercials are owned by the companies who create them, and I'm fairly certain that Nike is not owned by Fox. Even if it did, once the intellectual property (if commercials can be called intellectual) is bought and paid for it becomes the consumer's choice on whether they use it or not.
The reason cable networks/cable companies have to play certain commercials at certain times is contractual. They set up a fairly standardized contract where in the network will play commercials at such and such a time for such and such a sum. However, there is nothing they can do to force people to watch these commercials at such and such a time.
I'm not an expert on copywright law, but I cannot see how the truck stop violated any networks rights by refusing to use intellectual property that they made no contract to use and the network doesn't own.
I can see why the network wouldn't like the truckstops use of the technology. If the commercials the network contracts to show aren't seen, then the companies that contract with them will cease to do so, thereby reducing most of the networks potential revenue. However, that is not a violation of any law, simply a changing market.
In the end it seems clear to me that either the judge took a pay off or he got his degrees in law from acme.
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Easy Redesign Of The Technology
All Flying J needs to show is that when a commercial comes on they change inputs from the tuner to an AV input where their stuff is stored. Thereby, there is no modifying the signal since they are playing something off another video source.
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This also reminds me of the lawsuits brought against DVD players that could be programmed to skip over explicit language and graphic scenes. However, I can't recall if these claims were based on copyright or not.
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why its copyright infringement
Presumably, the plaintiffs argument was that the programs are sold as is, commercials and all, as a single copyrighted work. Any modification of that copyrighted work (such as replacing generic commercials that come with the show with targeted ads), under copyright law, constitutes a "derivative work", based on the original program.
Presumably, the license Flying J signed with the broadcasters does not include the creation of derivative works, and is therefore considered criminal copyright infringement. And, like everything else with copyright, all rights are reserved by default unless explicitly granted (especially if you disregard fair use .... as the moguls, politicians, lawyers, and judges so often do in this country).
It sucks, but in a country where the only thing keeping creators / publishers from suing boy scouts for singing around the campfire is bad publicity, does it really surprise anyone that this ruling would come down this way?
I would say it surprises me that the broadcasters don't just try to deal for more money out of Flying J, but coming from an industry mindset that has INSISTED on continually turning DOWN the huge profits they could make by re-opening the old Napster and charging 5 bucks a month for it, I'm really NOT surprised.
I always say these people are more interested in CONTROL than MONEY. (But then, I also always figure they are seeking ULTIMATE control so that, once they have it, they can just slowly crank up the economic "heat", until ALL of us evil little thieving frogs are boiled ... )
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It makes you wonder-what's going to be next.....
I understand their frustration-but claiming copyright infringment every time there's a problem is not the solution.
It kinda makes you wonder what's going to be next, doesn't?
Wesson cooking oil company claiming copyright infringment because are using Pam cooking spray instead?
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That's where you are wrong. Syndicated TV shows come to the station (over satellite, via digital download or sometimes shipped in on tape) with national advertisements already in place between the show segments. The contract between the syndication and the station allows for overwrites of national advertisements. For reasons unknown to me, this is referred to as "Barter". Format sheets that show the commercials within each program list each break as either "Barter", "Double Barter", "Local" or a combination thereof (i.e., "Double Barter a,b,c,d + Local e" might have 4 national ads and then 31 seconds of black for a local ad. For the TV station where I work, "Barter" means we let it run as is, "Double Barter" means we can overwrite (and we usually do) and "Local" means it's going to be dead air if we don't put something in at those times. Everyone once in a while when you're watching TV you'll see a split second of a commercial and then it flips to a different commercial, that's a sure sign of a double barter ad being replaced either at the station or by the cable company.
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That does raise a good point though, I can see the agreement with the networks and the cable outlet (or whatever delivery system they use) but does that translate to the end user? Guess you really have to start reading those terms of service.
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If the contract allows for it, there's obviously no infringement since all parties agreed to let it happen. That's distinctly different from the Flying J case where the truck stops that were replacing commercials had no contractual allowance to do so.
That being said, I agree with the TechDirt author that this can't logically be a copyright violation. First and foremost, in order to have violated copyright law, you have to have actually *copied* something. Here the device just changes the channel on the TV while the authorized commercials are playing, then changes it back when they are over. No copying involved at all.
And unless the plaintiffs are willing to argue that it's illegal for the average viewer to channel surf during commercial breaks, then I can't see how having a machine do it for you would turn an otherwise legal act into an illegal one.
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That's a bit like saying that if you buy a book, you're then obligated to read the entire book, in specified order and timeframe. If you flip through it first or skip any pages, or pick up a magazine before you're done you've infringed.
Get real. This is an awful ruling. The content was bought legally, and it wasn't resold or altered. Their commercials aren't a derivative work, they're a complete separate work that happenes to share an output device. All that flying J did was not direct the signal of the purchased work to their TV sets for a set period of time. If that's infringement, then most of America infringes when the go to the john or make a sandwich during a commercial break.
Oh yeah, it is a commercial "break" isn't it? It's an intentional interruption in the actual content so that you can do other things. Once upon a time advertisers did little bits of entertainment to entice you to stay right where you were, now they just sue you into watching.
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Now *that's* funny.
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Need to clarify rules!
For example, it is understood that a magazine is usually bought by one person and, most likely, viewed/read by many (in waiting rooms, bathrooms, air plains, etc.... consequently, the magazine owners charge significantly more for from advertisers. We are not obligated to share a magazine (in-fact, you can also argue that it is illegal).
Similarly, with TV content, I have not contract with signal providers that states that I have to watch ads. It is an added bonus they get from us. If that 'bonus' is not there, they should find other means to generate income... such as charge for content.
Yes, other options are not as lucrative as advertising. However, just because a method is more lucrative doesn't give you a right to using it!
Advertiser pay much more for TV ads because they are forced on the viewers (that's us).
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No so fast...
This substitution actually happens not just during the Superbowl, it's common practice during imported broadcasts. I guess I don't mind anymore as we now get to see Superbowl ads on YouTube.
It would appear that Canadian broadcasters have paid some license to run their own ads. This means that Super J could do the same thing. The business model already exists. Time to appeal.
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Check your licence
"After all, Flying J had paid for a license to show TV at its establishments. So that's legal. "
In fairness to Mike (who took this information from someone else) the license to show TV would need to be verified. It likely is an ASCAP/BMI license which pays songwriters for radio or TV in bars and public places like truck stops. It is an extremely limited license that is dirt cheap (couple hundred dollars a year very rough range depending on size establishment). That license only insures songwriters get paid and has nothing to do with the rights of the TV content producers.
So if on research the above license is an ASCAP/BMI license then Mike's statement above would be incorrect.
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How are they breaking the law again?
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what copyright?
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Read the Flying J contract
Commercial establishments such as bars/restaurants and cable companies that want to swap out commercials for their own content pay extra for that privilege. Why didn't Flying J?
I agree that this is a lousy application of copyright law -- Flying J's breach of contract should have been sufficient, and if its contract for some reason wasn't specific enough, then the broadcasters should have canceled the contract and renegotiated.
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The issue isn't skipping or deleting commercials, it's modifying someone else's work without permission. The content, taken as a whole, is a copyrighted work. Skipping or deleting part of it is perfectly legal, but when you replace part of it with your own work, you have now modified someone else's copyrighted work, and that is clearly infringement.
This has no bearing on whether you can skip commercials when watching tv at home, or even wether or not gas stations can play tv shows with the commercials deleted. The only issue is whether they can display the content in a modified form (by replacing commercials) without permission, and the answer is
clearly that no, they can't.
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Judicial Stupidity
Now.... If Flying J's contract expressly forbids this then they should have re-negotiated the contract before.
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IM NO LEGAL SCHOLAR BUT
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Compromise
A good meeting point would be to insert banner or marquee at the bottom or top of the commercial to publicize Flying J products and services
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It seems to me then that that would be a case of breach of contract, not copyright infringement. So that still doesn't explain it.
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Yes.
I don't see how automation of the process to change the channel to their own ads makes it illegal.
You have to be a politically minded judge to understand it.
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My 25 cents...
Although you make some good points in your article (you just beat me to a blog entry on this topic), there is one significant misperception: In fact, no decision was ever rendered, in this or any related case that I know of, declaring that "the act of skipping commercials is copyright infringement." Rather, NY District Judge Deborah Batts simply denied Flying J's motion to dismiss the suit based on the "Homestyle" exemption and cleared the way for a trial to proceed back in March (see this article ) That's when the plaintiffs made a settlement offer, which Flying J gladly paid to avoid the much greater expense of a trial. It would have been an interesting exercise had the trial continued, but for now the fundamental questions are undecided.
The other case mentioned in William Patry's article, the SegOne vs Fox declaratory judgment, which was intended to force a decision on the issue, was not heard because of a jurisdiction issue.
I think it's important not to overlook or misunderstand a key point here: An ad-detection or ad-redirection device doesn't alter the networks' copyrighted program content in any way (The more sophisticated devices go to great lengths to avoid even stepping on program content.) In contrast with a DVR, such a device does not store, edit, shorten, lengthen, transmit or otherwise monkey with network content. In fact, it doesn't even "skip" or "insert" commercials; it simply changes the input to the television monitor when an ad comes on, whether synchronously with network ads or otherwise. As you rightly pointed out, I can do that with my remote control. If I use my remote to change the input to the TV whenever I spot an ad, am I violating copyright? If not, what is the legal difference in having a machine do this for me?
[Flame On]
For that matter, just what is my obligation to the networks, my "contract" with them? Sure, ad revenue in large part subsidizes content on commercial television, and the networks' longstanding business model requires that some percentage of viewers are exposed to a portion of the orgy of ads they force on us daily. But while it's in the broadcasters' best interests to protect that model, viewers are not now and never have been under legal obligation to watch those ads (see this article ), and I seriously doubt that any network could prove damages due to devaluation of ad time, particularly in public places where viewership is ignored by A. C. Nielsen. So I guess we're allowed to take bathroom breaks during American Idol after all, despite the opinion of the CEO of Turner Broadcasting (see this ).
Until this issue is decided one way or the other, the networks will bully whomsoever dares to mess with their model... who wants to defend a nuisance suit against such deep pockets? Some years ago, the parent companies of ABC, NBC, and CBS sued little SonicBlue over the ability of its ReplayTV device to share files (primarily) and skip commercials. SonicBlue folded before the courts decided the case, and the reborn ReplayTV company made concessions, leaving the popular press to mistakenly believe that skipping commercials was declared by the courts to be illegal. Tivo's contribution to the debate, or perhaps their devil's bargain, was to make the 30-second skip a user-programmable option.
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Ad-detection and redirection technology from SegOne, CommercialKiller, TVPOS, and the German company TeleControl has the ability to automatically identify commercials within a broadcast signal and permits on-the-fly targeting of local ads to businesses and perhaps even individuals, and enables advertisers to audit stations' running of paid-for ads (TVPOS). While this is all some F-in' cool magic, it would be even cooler if those ads could be removed completely... but then that really would be begging for negative court attention!
I just don't see the problem with a truckstop showing (and charging for) truckstop-appropriate ads limited to their own site, or bars running in-house beer ads to stimulate sales. Today there is no way to do this, affordably or otherwise, in cooperation with the networks; there's only the promise of limited-function addressable cable boxes in the unspecified future. Ad-redirection companies provide a service that fills an unaddressed need for small business owners today.
While the networks' kneejerk response to the threat to their business model was the Flying J lawsuit, wouldn't it make more sense for them to embrace this technology themselves in order to move toward a more intelligent advertising paradigm? To the public's benefit, targeted ads would likely result in fewer ad interruptions and greater value in each ad (see this) I know I'd much rather sit through one or two interesting ads every 14 minutes than endure a marathon of 8-10 ads aimed at a general demographic every 12 minutes... who wouldn't?
Whether they embrace it or not, marketplace innovation will slowly force the networks to accept and deal with inevitable changes to their revenue models. Technology marches on, guys - evolve or get out of the way!
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Doesn't sound like infringement, but still actiona
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Say that I drive down the street throwing hundred-dollar bills out the window - when you pick one of them up, do I have the right to sue you if you don't spend it how I would've liked you to?
If you own an establishment like this, I say show what you want, whenever you want, in any way you see fit. If broadcasters don't like it...tough nuts, if they can't make a profit without running to Uncle Sam for help every five minutes, maybe they need to look for a different business model.
See where things end up when we decide to employ government for purposes it's not fit for? People get sued for turning off a television set.
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Ain't technology great?
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Split screen, anyone?
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Judge was correct.
to continue...
For HOME use, however, any changes or deletions you wish to make are perfectly legal as long as you wish only to enjoy the fruits yourself or for your friends and family *at no charge*. The right to record and modify incoming signals for personal use is forever enshrined in the famous Sony vs Walt Disney case of many years ago.
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Ah, but there's where a different judge might disagree. Were changes actually made to a compilation, or was the truckstop just channel-hopping? If the truckstop were to simply cut to its ads on a timer for 2 out of every 15 minutes, in what way could that possibly be prohibited by the broadcaster's license, or found to produce a derivative work? You're talking about an intangible here, a fleeting image on a screen, not an edited recording, a plagiarized paragraph, or a mustachioed Mona Lisa. Unless I missed something, customers weren't charged for viewing the performance, because that would surely be prohibited in the provider's contract.
On the advertising side, this practice simply carves out time and space on the store's television screens for ads or whatever. Doesn't a truckstop have the right to profit from the eyeballs they've collected in their place of business? How is this different from charging for space on a roadside billboard?
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Clearly, if they did then changing channels is also illegal.
Unless you have access to their license I'd say you are making stuff up.
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