Putting Google Library Into Historical Perspective
from the information-is-a-good-thing dept
Reader Jon writes in with a link to a fascinating New Yorker article that really puts Google's book scanning project into historical perspective. While there are all sorts of ongoing legal scuffles about the efforts to scan and make books and information more widely available, when viewed in the context of history, the legal arguments look even more ridiculous. The benefits to making content more widely available and more easily accessible are so big that it almost seems crazy not to do it. The article goes through all the struggles cultures have had over the ages just trying to classify and organize all sorts of books and information to make it usable -- and here we are with the tools and ability to go beyond everything that's been possible in the past... and we're stymied by a disagreement over copyright law? That just seems sad.
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Isn't a library a library?
trying to accomodate all parties and
wish the copyright holders would realize
that a library, is a library.
In fact I'm more likely to purchase a hard
copy of a book if it's ONLY available on-line.
A PDF just doesn't cut it for me when I want
to browse.
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Libraries violate copyrights
Electronic Books/Magazines/Journals fit into the same mold as Mike's position papers on music as an infinite good. The price of infinite goods is zero. You have to find alternative business models for making money off any infinite good. Google is simply forcing the industry to face that reality.
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Greed
The only real issues is speed and scale of distribution. A library retains a one-to-one relationship between a copy of a book and a borrower. Google can distribute the same book to literally millions of people concurrently.
The biggest part of this that I don't understand is why mass distribution and availability is a bad thing. For certain texts I can see the argument carrying more weight. Reference texts for example. You don't "read" a reference manual. You look something up in it. In that case it is highly unlikely that a person would buy the book after viewing it on google. But a novel is a different proposition entirely. The vast majority of consumers, myself included, want to sit in a chair, under a tree, on a beach, in bed, in the bath, on the can etc. and have a bunch of paper glued together in our hands. It's part of the therapy of reading. I would be prepared to wager that as much as 90% of all fiction readers would not want to read novels on their computer.
So perhaps a compromise could be reached. Novels/fiction or novel-style non-fiction (ie. not reference manuals) should be freely distributed online through google library. Reference texts etc. are in a subscription area where either google or the publisher, or both, can charge a reasonable subscription fee and recoup money that way.
In this day and age, most people will surf the net for an hour rather than pay $90 for a reference text and will likely get approximately equivalent quality.
This is just one more example of resistance to change in a very backward thinking industry.
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Re: Greed
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Now if I could have only found it on Google...
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I Like Mike
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Re: Libraries violate copyrights
This is how it's different...
The google model promotes infinite access to materials. Libraries work on a fixed supply of a title, and an allotted limit of time for usage of the title.
That scarcity, and the constraints placed on the usage of the book, forces a segment of the market to pursue acquiring the book via purchase.
I have a hard time buying the "reality" argument. The true reality is that there are copyright laws that govern usage and distribution of media, those copyright laws then funnel the acquisition of the media through revenue generating transactions that return money to the creators of said media.
The "reality" that you propose only occurs in a deregulated market. So it's not a reality at all, its merely a theory on an economic model.
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Re: Re: Libraries violate copyrights
You are acting as though scarcity was an intended component of libraries, when in fact, it is a by product. Same concept with the check out time frame, it is only in place because they want to be able to get the book back and give someone else a chance to check it out. If they could, they would operate like Googles proposed system. They just happened to be the best solution for a time before digital media.
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There would be a way...
And personally I never borrow a reference manual from the library, I always buy them because I use them so often. I am more likely to borrow a novel since I can finish it in a couple weeks and probably will not read it again.
Online I think is great. Periodicals have been in an online system for years now and it makes it so much easier to find a new article than digging through the library. You know, if libraries got involved enough, you would be able to view the book online and then check it out at the library all in one place. Now THAT would be useful.
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ow, that hurt.
Technical books I usually purchase.
Recreational reading is often obtained
second hand from friends.
"Here, you'll love this book."
Online access to the library cardfiles
is very helpful but being able to peruse
even an abstract would be great.
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Copyrighted VS Non-Copyrighted Work...
I see two issues, one is for copyrighted work which the author should have a fair and reasonable method of revenue sharing for their 'product' which would be available via Google. If not, what is the incentive for producing the work in the first place?
The second is for older works that are out of copyright and can be effectively used for free. In these cases, all that material is free game for Google. If Google can distribute better and cheaper than the book publishers then I see no reason why they shouldn't - a better solution is a better solution even if it hurts an existing business model.
As a society and person, how great would it be to have effectively free access to any work older than x years. As long as there is still incentive for those to create the works in the first place, then I see this as a long term win win.
The next hurdle is going to be software. Why shouldn't we have access to the full source code of any commercial application after x years?
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Re: Copyrighted VS Non-Copyrighted Work...
Google Books relies on the concept of Fair Use. While they may scan the entire book, you can't actually read the entire book online. For example, A Clockwork Orange is around 200 total pages, yet I could see less than 20 including the covers on Google Books. If I wanted to read the whole book, there is a handy link to Amazon on the right where I can buy the book (the revenue sharing you were talking about?).
It is for this same reason that the library analogy is also false. When I check a book out from the library, while I am the sole person with access to the book, I have access to the WHOLE book. Regardless of how many people can simultaneously access copies on Google Books, nobody has access to the whole book!
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Re: Re: Copyrighted VS Non-Copyrighted Work...
I didn't fully understand that only a portion of the copyrighted work was capable of being displayed by Google. If that's the case then within the limits of fair use and with reasonable efforts done to prevent automatated tools from gathering the entire work then I see no wrong. Especially if a link to Amazon or similiar is added. In some ways, this will encourage more revenue for the author as this might be the only way to even know if a book exists and is revelant (especially for reference texts).
This is a really exciting time. Models are changing ever day along with increased effeciency and access to it. As long as there remains a method to reward those that do the work, then in the end, it's all good :).
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Now that i think about it from the previous comment... libraries should get in all kinds of trouble... i know ppl who get books or cds and just rip them. its like p2p but without the garbadge and viruses and such
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If I had the chance to skim over the book or read a chapter or two, I'd be more than glad to go get the (good) books.
I don't see why this is a bad thing.
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