If Consumers Will Pay $50 To Remove It, What's It Doing There In The First Place?
from the penny-wise-pound-foolish dept
That didn't take long. On Friday morning, PC World reported that that it would offer a "Fresh Start" option on certain of its laptops: for an extra $50, Sony would remove all the annoying "trial software" that apparently infests a lot of PC laptops these days (as a smug Mac user, I can't say I've experienced this firsthand). Not surprisingly, the announcement generated a firestorm of controversy, and within hours, Sony's PR reps rushed out to reassure people that it was all a big misunderstanding. Sony won't charge for "Fresh Start" after all, and will instead offer it as a free option. But only on certain laptops and only for customers who upgrade to the business version of Vista.
The fact that it thought of offering such a service at all -- for a fee or otherwise -- suggests that Sony has a rather short-sighted attitude toward its business. PC manufacturers reportedly get as much as $60 per PC in kickbacks from software vendors to put trial software on their customers' computers. Apparently, in the low-margin PC business, that's too much cash to pass up. But putting bloatware on PCs is a bad strategy for precisely the same reason that filling your website with intrusive ads is a bad strategy. It might make more money in the short run, but it ruins your brand and reduces the chances you'll get repeat customers. The reason that customers choose a name-brand PC over a dirt-cheap white-label one is that they want to minimize hassles. A good name-brand manufacturer carefully chooses components that will ensure a hassle-free experience. It would be stupid to pick a flaky graphics card because it's five bucks cheaper: the angry customers would cost a lot more than five bucks in the long run. By the same token, forcing customers to take software they don't want is going to cost a lot more in customer satisfaction than it's going to gain in revenue. Manufacturers should only bundle third-party software that enhances (or at least doesn't diminish) the value of the product to the end user. (Dell's contract with Google is a good example of how to do this right.) In the long run, firms that zealously protect the quality of their user experience will do better than those that allow the customer experience to be undermined in order to make a quick buck.
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Bloatware Proliferation
The point I'm trying to make is that it may not have been a big issue (or may have even been a non-issue) at first, but lately it seems to have gotten much worse. It's also worth pointing out that there is a sector of consumers that doesn't mind, as long as these ad revenues are passed on in the form of savings. I've seen a few people say they wouldn't mind an ad splash every time they booted their PC if it paid for their video card, for example. This is a relatively small number of people, though.
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I agree. I like adware too because it makes computers and software cheaper and makes me aware of great offers for some really good products. And trialware gives me a great opportunity to try out quality programs that I wouldn't be able to otherwise. How can you beat that? In fact, I'm just surprised they don't charge *extra* for all the free stuff they put on computers these days. When I go shopping for a new computer I look for one that has as much free stuff as possible on it. The wonders of marketing!
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Crashed again and couldn't recover, kept saying wrong machine (?). Stuck a Linux Ubuntu dick in and in a while after loading was back on line.
When I found that it ran on my old Toshiba 1414-S173, I installed it.
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Only the Computer Itslef
The computer store where I have bought my computers does offer the option of buying a computer with a choice of operating systems, including the no-operating system choice with the appropriate discount.
On a slightly different bloatware topic; last night my firewall reported that an unknown iTunes program was attempting to access the internet. While this program was innocuous it does point to the continued practice for unknown programs to be silently loaded on your computer and to operate without your knowledge.
Considering how many of these companies want to protect their so-called "intellectual property", if they give this stuff away (install it on your computer without your permission), it should be considered in the public domain. They have no right to pass a usage liability on you if they give you the program without your permission. Its a "gift".
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"Considering how many of these companies want to protect their so-called "intellectual property", if they give this stuff away (install it on your computer without your permission), it should be considered in the public domain."
In addition, if they install it without your consent is the EULA binding?
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We're talking about stuff that's already installed on your computer when you buy it. You consented when you bought it.
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Bad business?
This is true if, and only if, there are lots of repeat buyers and it's possible to buy a computer somewhere that doesn't have crapware installed. High volume buyers are mostly businesses, and business models often don't have crapware installed on them. The average home user buys a new computer once every few years or so. The bitter taste of dealing with the crapware is fogotten by the time they buy their next computer. Additionally, they tend to be extremely price sensitive. And all of the major dealers of which I'm aware load up their low price, home systems with crapware.
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I'm reminded of an AC/DC song...
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No pesky trial software on a mac? You seem to be forgetting about this demon-trial that comes preinstalled on it called "Microsoft Office". Don't forget about the crippled version of Quicktime, which encourages you to buy the full version to use "Advanced" features like full-screen video.
Bah, mac users being immuned to trial software. I don't buy it for a second.
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Benefit with No Downside
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I'd gladly take a $50 discount on my computer for a bunch of software that isn't going to be on the computer after I re-install the OS.
"Even though I was not in the market for a new computer, when I was in Best Buy I asked if I could buy a computer without the operating system so that I would be able to install Linux. The salesperson said that was not possible. We should not be forced to pay for unwanted components."
You're not forced to pay for unwanted components. You can pick whatever store you want to buy your computer from.
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Huh? Dell most certainly does not do it right. I purchased my very-high-priced XPS gaming system last year, and instead of spending my first evening with it installing and patching WoW, I spent it uninstalling crap.
Not just crap that takes up hard drive space, but crap that is automatically set top connect to the Internet and update itself and God knows what else. Crap that uses a ton of MY system resources. When I got the computer, I had wireless Internet, and I had so much stuff going on at start-up and with the net that I could barely check my e-mail. It sucked! And I know it was Dell.
Furthermore, we use Dells at work and when we buy new computers it's the same damned thing. I spent forever uninstalling so we can actually use the business machines (purchased with a business account, by the way) that we paid a mint for. Last time we purchased new computers (and we only purchased three) I spent 8 hours removing everything, including drive time to our other store, and it was all overtime hours because I had to get it done before the stores opened the next day. They paid me more than 50 bucks to take it off. I would love the option to pay a bit extra to make up for that revenue and not have to do it at all.
Dell would definitely reap some goodwill from me.
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Didn't mean to leave a name off...
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well i get payed too
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Mac users experience this
(as a smug Mac user, I can't say I've experienced this firsthand)
Funny, when I bought my iMac last year it came pre-installed with a 30-day demo version of Microsoft Office, a 30-day demo of iWork, and a limited version of come photo-comic thing.
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It is simple math
This is similar to how it is cheaper at some manufacturers to buy a PC with Windows installed than the same PC without Windows.
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Hey, It's a New Year
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Took it out of its box - stuck a windows pro disk that I had downloaded from opennap in and installed a bare bones os and made the phone call to microsoft to validate.
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Sure you would. Is that why you're making that offer anonymously?
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I thought that became crystal clear right after the rootkit fiasco...
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