Sellers Band Together To Create Their Own Naughty Buyer List For eBay
from the well-that's-one-way-to-deal-with-things dept
Back in February, you may recall that eBay announced plans to ban negative feedback from sellers to buyers. The problem was that many sellers were apparently using it as a weapon against buyers who might criticize them. That is, if you had a bad experience as a buyer, rather than fix the problems that resulted in that bad experience, the seller would simply slam you back in the buyer feedback. In other words, it had become something of a nuclear stalemate -- forcing buyers to be too afraid to leave any negative feedback for sellers. Of course, banning negative feedback on buyers seems a bit extreme as the response. And, in the comments to our post, people suggested a variety of alternatives eBay could have tried (including not letting you see the feedback someone left for you until you leave feedback for them). In the meantime, sellers who are upset about this may now have another weapon. One site has set up a system for sellers to share their own buyer "blacklists," effectively creating a large list of problem buyers. What's most interesting to me, is how this shows how the community itself responds to a change in the rules that they feel has too many negative consequences -- rather than just waiting for eBay to fix the problem.
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work around
how long before the lack of positive feedback on ebay becomes the 'new negative'? anyway?
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What is the Basis For Seller Feedback...
Stated differently, would a "Better Customer Bureau" really be anywhere near as useful as the Better Business Bureau?
eBay's proposal is totally innocuous and probably a good idea.
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Seller Feedback
In fact I only shop from sellers now who I know leave feedback right away. So far, I have had no complaints.
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Re: 3.
Buyer sent a bad check.
Buyer received item, held onto it for 10 days, then wanted the money back because it "arrived broken".
Buyer bid on an item 25 times, then refused to make payment using methods clearly listed in 3 different locations in the auction.
Buyer left positive comments, but selected negative feedback, and emailed me to laugh about it.
Buyer bought a PC game, held it for a few days, then returned it because it wouldn't install. Returned item installed fine on receipt...
Buyer sent multiple (like 100+) harrassing/threatening email letters after I removed him from an auction due to failure to pay on last item he "won" from my auctions.
And these are just a few of the reasons I stopped selling on ebay after the "no negative" rule went into effect for buyers.
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Where to?
I think once a company becomes the de facto standard in the field, they seem to make unilateral stupid decisions. They can afford to piss off some sellers, because new people are signing up daily -- and oh, the emerging markets! I find so many hong kong located items when searching.
This summer I tried to sell an item 3 times. Each time, the auction ended, and the buyer wrote and said oops sorry! I didn't want to buy that, after all. Ebay stuck me with the huge listing fee (they refunded the final value fee, but so what? If the eBay system worked, I'd have gotten my listing fee's worth -- as it was, I didn't.) After the auction failed for the third time (three buyers, three deadbeats) I sold on Craigslist for the first reasonable offer. The lack of customer response and the whole experience in general left me pretty disgusted. I'd love to find a viable alternative.
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Ebay is going to kill itself
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Ebay Feedback
The new feedback change is horrific, and has been destructive to
sellers already. Personally, it has had little impact but that does not
make it correct. There has always been an option on both sides to leave
appropriate feedback: Positve +1, Neutral 0, or Negative -1. Now
neutrals are also -1. The eBay sellers (who are also buyers) including
myself have been on all boards throughout the eBay since the change
went active yesterday.
Years ago when Pierre made his original gaff of “only a $1″ I was
very vocal on the boards to the point that eBay was threatening me.
Those clips are still around. eBay modified the edict and all settled
down but it was many years until I regularly bought & sold again. Some
changes have been beneficial, some not. But I was always proud of my
feedback-my cyberspace footprint-but no more. Now they have managed to
destroy many cyberspace footprints in one fell swoop. When a business
has been based and branded with a superior ingredient that is modified
the result can be detrimental. New Coke springs to mind.
After thoughtful consideration, I am letting my last auctions wind
down and my last bids on purchases finalize. By next week I will be
posting on other sites. I wanted to let you know the result of the
newest action for one member. There is a firestorm brewing and I am
moving out of the line of fire.
I am leaving this everywhere I do business and for the News Media. Power Sellers have started closing their stores. Sellers have been suspended. Ebay had it’s own commodity or product, the sellers. It damaged its product.
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Ebay has failed to see who their customer really is -- the seller. They keep thinking that the buyers are their customers. Wrong! The buyers are the sellers' customers; sellers are eBay's customers.
I hope eBay dies a slow, agonizing death, and to the MBAs who came on board and ruined a wonderful site -- may all of you greedy pricks burn in hell.
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All positive feedback...
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So don't leave feedback until the check clears...mark as a 'Not Paid'
Buyer received item, held onto it for 10 days, then wanted the money back because it "arrived broken".
Get the item back and verify it was broken. Maybe it really was broken on arrival, you don't know for sure. Mark as 'Paid'
Buyer bid on an item 25 times, then refused to make payment using methods clearly listed in 3 different locations in the auction.
Mark this as 'Not Paid'
Buyer left positive comments, but selected negative feedback, and emailed me to laugh about it.
So you turn around and ding them with a negative feedback? That sounds childish.
Buyer bought a PC game, held it for a few days, then returned it because it wouldn't install. Returned item installed fine on receipt...
So sell it again and mark as 'Paid' on the original buyer. Sometimes people are just dumb, doesn't mean anything deceptive went on.
Buyer sent multiple (like 100+) harrassing/threatening email letters after I removed him from an auction due to failure to pay on last item he "won" from my auctions.
Well since they didn't win the 2nd bid you wouldn't be able to leave feedback anyway. One the first bid mark as 'Not Paid'.
I still am not seeing how the seller having only these two options is a bad thing.
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In the past, I've had buyers leave negative feedback because I don't take personal checks (clearly stated in the auction listing), yet they bid on my auction anyway. And I should just sit back and take that? My reputation should be damaged because some jerk can't be bothered to read or follow the plainly stated terms? Or according to you, I should just mark it as "paid" and leave it at that? If that wasn't so incredibly stupid, it would be funny.
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Personally i think eBay has simply gotten too big for its own good. they can't possibly police over 5 million transactions per day so their method of solving problems like this end up not making anyone happy.
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I have a site for you...
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Ebay Feedback Changes
I have had sellers leave negative feedback just in retaliation for leaving neg. and even worse, I've also had them leave neg just because I left a neutral - even when they deserved a neg! 1 time, I actually had a seller leave a negative because I was honest but still left positive!
I've also had buyers leave negative feedback just because they are as*holes and wait till i've left feedback first.
I've had buyers threaten to leave neg if I didn't refund half their money, because they didn't fully read the details and bid with out even knowing what they were bidding on then decide they "just don't want it".. or worse, they bid on clothes and don't check the measurement get it and obviously doesn't fit or they damage the item and file a complaint that it wasn't as described.. the list goes on and on! This is why many sellers would wait for the buyer before leaving feedback before these changes went through. You get burned too many times and you become suspicious of everyone from both sides of the spectrum. The feedback system was flawed to begin with! Their first mistake was making neutrals a negative aspect.
Any time I've bought and there has been a problem with the item I have always contacted the seller first to give them the chance to make it right. Where as as a seller I have stated this very same thing in my auctions to give me the opportunity to fix the problem before leaving a neg. Several times I have been stuck with buyers who just wanted to get something for nothing or were pissy because they SIMPLY didn't read all of the info stated in the auction, then passed the buck onto me because they JUST can't admit they are wrong!
At least before as a seller you had some sort of say in the argument. Now we cant have any say for fear that you say one thing that MIGHT be negative towards them, you get a ding to your feedback score even if it is a positive rating you left them! This is not going to help in any way it is just going to make sellers more paranoid and mistrusting and in turn we'll all drop off because ebay CONTINUES to alienate us!
As to the people who say "well all that counts is if you were paid, I paid so you should leave me positive for paying" - but the reality is that as a seller you aren't just leaving feedback for getting paid you are letting other sellers know if that buyer is problematic or difficult to deal with, and giving them a fair warning if they see they are a problematic buyer. It is giving feedback on the ENTIRE transaction and the experience.
For instance, it isn't fair if you as a seller have to wait 3-4 weeks to receive payment. You then have to go through all the trouble of filing the disputes and waiting on ebay to respond, only to be paid the day before settling!? So you are just supposed to be happy you got payment at all? Some buyers DESERVE to have a neg left for them! Especially when they waste your time like that!
Now it is completely one sided and unfair. I will be taking my business elsewhere until they change their feedback policies!
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Easy Fix
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Re: Re: 13 sonofdot
Sellers didn't leave the barn door open, but this new policy does. Without the benefit of (deserved) negative feedback for buyers, sellers can't tell if they should block a bidder until the bidder has potentially already won an auction, when it's too late (hence the barn door analogy).
You're right that sellers now have two options, and most (that we know, anyway) seem to be taking the option to sell on a different site. eBay won't begin to see the fallout of this boneheaded decision for another few weeks, when it will be far too late to bring the sellers back into the fold (many were waiting until today to jump ship, if they didn't already jump due to the fee increases). And the MBAs can pat themselves on the back for lining their pockets with money, while destroying what was once a good community.
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The majority of sellers will wait until you post feedback before THEY post feedback. If I pay on time and the seller sucks and ships out my item two weeks late, is it fair for them to leave me a negative feedback because I leave them one? No! Sellers are just as much to blame as buyers.
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I agree, both sellers and buyers are to blame, but why are buyers now the only ones who can leave negative feedback? There are just as many problem buyers as there are problem sellers, but eBay only wants the problem sellers identified, not the problem buyers. That just opens the whole thing up to more scam artists, because sellers can no longer identify the problems.
In your four cases, it sounds like you paid via Paypal, through which you did have recourse. Now, the new policy is that sellers don't get paid for 21 days, which will also drive sellers away from Paypal. I'm not going to sell you something, ship it to you, and then wait 21 days for my payment. Simple fact is, no payment, no shipment. Period. If I have to wait 21 days for Paypal to release my money, then you'll have to wait 21 days for me to release your shipment. But Paypal thinks I should ship the item, and wait patiently for my money. Um, sure. What I'll do, for the very few remaining items I plan to sell on eBay, is simply no longer accept Paypal. Money orders only. And on our website, we'll gladly accept Google checkout, but no longer will we use Paypal.
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I sent eBay an email protesting the change just now. Let's see how long it takes before one of the trained monkeys there sends me a reply that includes the help page explaining the feedback changes, rather than actually writing a response to what I wrote.
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eBay is broke.
I suggest that NO SELLERS LEAVE POSITIVE FEEDBACK ANYMORE. That is what I have chosen to do. As far as negative feedback received--- I dropped positive feedback and said "The Buyer Likes it in the Anal!" Then I refunded him the PayPal Payment and did a non-paying bidder dispute.
New buyers are quick to leave negative feedback --- and the sellers can't do anything. Basically, the eBay feedback system doesn't matter now. The eBay Buyer is always right, even though they are dumb-asses with (0) feedback.
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Nonsense
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Surprize surprize! I had a 100% feedback & the very next day the feedback rule changed I got my first negative.
Buyers now are so quick to leave negative feedback. They do nothing to resolve an issue first. They leave negative feedback & then ask for you to sort a situation out rather than the other way round.
Now also since neutrals count as negatives for sellers.What on earth is the point of calling it a neutral. It's pointless.
Feedback is inherently always more important to a seller, since our livelihoods depend on it. For a buyer whats the worst that can happen? They can't buy off ebay any more on that account. So what! They can just open a new account. A seller can't easily do this because they use the feedback as a way to build up a good reputation so that people will buy from them. This take a long time. A buyer does not need to build the same reputation.
Now a sellers reputation has been left at the mercy of unscrupulous buyers. Absolutely anyone now has the ability to destroy a sellers feedback without an recourse.
Here are just a few examples in which this might happen.
1 - a bad buyer - for whatever reason & there are many.
2 - a friend you fallout with down the pud, goes on ebay. Buys off you & slates you.
3 - Other sellers who are your competition. Buy from you & leave you a negative.
The list goes on...
The point is this situation is so inherently unfair.
As someone pointed out above. Scam Artists have made good genuine sellers look bad. They don't care because they do their scam & then they are gone. Genuine sellers are the ones self to get punished.
We get punished by ebay. As mentioned above also, we are ebays customers. The buyers are our customers. If ebay keep alienating more & more genuine sellers then who will the buyers buy from when they come to ebay. Certainly not from ebay. They don't actually sell anything. Yet they are so buyer orientated.
One final note of agreement with yet another comment above. I've recently started putting more items on auction rather than buy now & I'm having the same problem as describe above. Tons of bidders who are taking ages to pay. Not following through on transactions & not responding to any emails that I have sent. After 8 emails you would expect at least some reply. & this is not just happening with one or two people. Buyers now know they have all the power & are becoming aloof.
Ebay must balance this situation out or all will fall apart.
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new site and ebays bad treatment of sellers
I have noticed that there are a lot of free sites that will let you sell but what I wondered is, if they are free how can the afford to grow? This site charges a low flat rate fee, price depends on how big of a store you want, and NO FINAL VALUE FEES, No fees for upgrading you listings, and if you buy a store your auction listings are free. If you only have one or two items to sell they charge $3 per listing, no fees to upgrade.
They would also like to start a board of sellers to help make changes and upgrades to the site, which is almost unheard of, a site that gives the sellers a voice?
If everyone would band together and work the same site no matter what site it was, sites like ebay that try to take advantage of the sellers would no longer be able to get away with it.
It is about time that these sites see that with out us sellers they do not have a website to run, let alone make money from.
sites like ebay are getting richer and the sellers are getting poorer, something about that doesn’t sit well with me. A site like that does not need to charge so much to be able to make money, pure greed on their part.
I never want to work a site that makes me feel un-important again.
This new site is really something to check out, I know that it is going to be slow going at first, at least till they get some more sellers listing, but I believe that they are going to be real big, real soon, and I for one plan on being one of the first on board.
http://www.mynugen.com
Come and check it out, they have a lot of promise. I believe it will be worth your while in the long run. or short run if they can get enough people soon.
They have covered all that we have been complaining about with ebay.
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Re: What is the Basis For Seller Feedback...
They pull thousands of scams - change terms after the auction, extortion for feedback, bounced checks, chargebacks, harass, stalk, cyber-stalking, etc., etc., etc.
One college fraternity posted on their web site a way to get "Free" college textbooks - buy them from an unsuspecting Amazon or eBay seller, then tell them it arrived in awful condition (or didn't arrive at all) and you'll leave them horrible feedback unless they refund your order.
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Please update the link in your story
Here's a blacklist link that works:
http://www.theebayblacklist.blogspot.com/
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BadBuyerList.org: a bad buyer list for online seller
http://badbuyerlist.org
Any suggestion is welcome. Thank you.
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Re: Seller Feedback
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Re: Seller Feedback
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Ebay ID: sydbridebliss10
Name : L Stanley / Jeffrey Broadlands
Address:
Po Box 562
Sylvania Southgate New South Wales 2224
Australia
Email Address
Itsallaboutgifts@gmail.com paypal email
thebroadlands@gmail.com charge back email
sydbridalbliss@gmail.com ebay email
What Can I do?
1. I email the above information to NSW police credit card fraud team and hope will help them to stop this guy to use other people's credit card.
2. Post all their information to web, hope this will stop them
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Ebay's feedback system hurts both buyers and sellers
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here is my blacklist
copypaste and put in on your blocked list
1814gloria, 1966babe2007, 1lovens12009, 2005darsh, 2010archiebrown, 2010oldtimer, 2039diamond, 21956311, 2784shirley, 805ojaigirl, 8737johnh, 8880alan, abs333, allaboutdaloot, americanlineman, amust2009, anthonym708, artwallman, avashtad, backdoordoctor, baddawg, bbiller1947, bbobber3, benjshap, bidonthings, bigmopro, bitanam13, blue_phatboy, briangoul5qy9, bruce_lee2005, buffone, callumgee, cameljoe1979, captainhooks, cassyp815, ceewilly, charleesmum2201, charlesmingill, charlottehobbysales2008, cherryred-2007, chrisy7098, chupismama, clarins5, claudiacubana, cnc_imports, colleenb39, comm.major, compassinfo, conlonmont, connalou, coopsm67, cradlin1420, crazyprnzess, cubberlubber, cugs, d51298, daniele86-89, darknamelessone, davemar55, ddtaylor2009, desantis911, discountthrift, downsouth803, dspoon7997, dvls_angl89, eason.zhang, ecashsecrets, egi_253, eguzman28, eileendigs708, elco1979, emegan, emperor5, esmanhottoleticia, fartiz2005, finding_ids_sucks, fishbuster1, fmgunsmithingguy, focking-a-unicorn, fordsvt, fortheloveofmygirls, frozenrocket, garytruesdell0454, gjberman, gopisk1, grymoore, guardian6c, guccimore, handicapus564, hbrooke2188, hbw1991, hddmet, ifishking, ignaciof007, innsy40, international.recon.1, ironball, islanderboy2001, jakegupp, janis6956, jimcozzi, jimmydean444, joseaa2004, josuecain, jrr0123, justpoundsandounces, kathy1831, keepitroostin, kennethwalters, kingquad2, kmaskins1974, kmoney2010katherine, kristylisty, kut_jaclynn37, lilithobscur60, lillyd23, lionfeeder, littlenutbrownhare1, lmc19531933, lovebugvintage, low14ever, lowprofilegee, madhatter_vruco, medmd1955, michel071285, milton_valerio, missujoe09, mister.palmer, mjmolnar, monnie619, mr.discount5893, mrsgaby!, mrwesp, mxa16, negron34, nelscomp, ninu668, nitriles007, noodlenicky, nujarykohan, onecentshoppe, pacecarnut, papapump1956, parisa5825251, pasteurisation, paulalou, pfuller0511, pimentel_ieee, pink-studs, poorboy6179, poppa_ahwr, pretyroses4angels, prince_royale15, puffpuff.214, puppymagic, qthunt, radck1, reddfoxharley, rockyjake2d, rod14430, saddlisa, saildragon, sanalips, sande8890, sashinka21, sekuv, sellit-now!, shennap, shodan85, silverdigger97, simonececilie_dk, slmustangz, smecho, solojoshmiller, spalphy81, stampy2, steveitano, suttysweep123, swing0r, switliz11, tdc666, terry_tezman, thestoragelot, tint-pro, tmbrguy, tnrosarian, toan0714, toppdawgg88, toxx623, tracyenm, vegaasgt2, victorya30, vitamindiscount, wildrose872010, williemelvin, wilycayuse, wizjupit, wolffyson2, wst420, xxginobiliprxx, ymedina1947, youuglymanzz, zelegant, zhendong81
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here is my blacklist
copypaste and put in on your blocked list
1814gloria, 1966babe2007, 1lovens12009, 2005darsh, 2010archiebrown, 2010oldtimer, 2039diamond, 21956311, 2784shirley, 805ojaigirl, 8737johnh, 8880alan, abs333, allaboutdaloot, americanlineman, amust2009, anthonym708, artwallman, avashtad, backdoordoctor, baddawg, bbiller1947, bbobber3, benjshap, bidonthings, bigmopro, bitanam13, blue_phatboy, briangoul5qy9, bruce_lee2005, buffone, callumgee, cameljoe1979, captainhooks, cassyp815, ceewilly, charleesmum2201, charlesmingill, charlottehobbysales2008, cherryred-2007, chrisy7098, chupismama, clarins5, claudiacubana, cnc_imports, colleenb39, comm.major, compassinfo, conlonmont, connalou, coopsm67, cradlin1420, crazyprnzess, cubberlubber, cugs, d51298, daniele86-89, darknamelessone, davemar55, ddtaylor2009, desantis911, discountthrift, downsouth803, dspoon7997, dvls_angl89, eason.zhang, ecashsecrets, egi_253, eguzman28, eileendigs708, elco1979, emegan, emperor5, esmanhottoleticia, fartiz2005, finding_ids_sucks, fishbuster1, fmgunsmithingguy, focking-a-unicorn, fordsvt, fortheloveofmygirls, frozenrocket, garytruesdell0454, gjberman, gopisk1, grymoore, guardian6c, guccimore, handicapus564, hbrooke2188, hbw1991, hddmet, ifishking, ignaciof007, innsy40, international.recon.1, ironball, islanderboy2001, jakegupp, janis6956, jimcozzi, jimmydean444, joseaa2004, josuecain, jrr0123, justpoundsandounces, kathy1831, keepitroostin, kennethwalters, kingquad2, kmaskins1974, kmoney2010katherine, kristylisty, kut_jaclynn37, lilithobscur60, lillyd23, lionfeeder, littlenutbrownhare1, lmc19531933, lovebugvintage, low14ever, lowprofilegee, madhatter_vruco, medmd1955, michel071285, milton_valerio, missujoe09, mister.palmer, mjmolnar, monnie619, mr.discount5893, mrsgaby!, mrwesp, mxa16, negron34, nelscomp, ninu668, nitriles007, noodlenicky, nujarykohan, onecentshoppe, pacecarnut, papapump1956, parisa5825251, pasteurisation, paulalou, pfuller0511, pimentel_ieee, pink-studs, poorboy6179, poppa_ahwr, pretyroses4angels, prince_royale15, puffpuff.214, puppymagic, qthunt, radck1, reddfoxharley, rockyjake2d, rod14430, saddlisa, saildragon, sanalips, sande8890, sashinka21, sekuv, sellit-now!, shennap, shodan85, silverdigger97, simonececilie_dk, slmustangz, smecho, solojoshmiller, spalphy81, stampy2, steveitano, suttysweep123, swing0r, switliz11, tdc666, terry_tezman, thestoragelot, tint-pro, tmbrguy, tnrosarian, toan0714, toppdawgg88, toxx623, tracyenm, vegaasgt2, victorya30, vitamindiscount, wildrose872010, williemelvin, wilycayuse, wizjupit, wolffyson2, wst420, xxginobiliprxx, ymedina1947, youuglymanzz, zelegant, zhendong81
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this stinks
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Re: this stinks
This is my personal blocked buyers list - All with every good reason. Extortion, non payment, etc.
09grassyknob, 77sunset0_2, 8307ladyluck, aacor, abaur808, adnaw.302, aebatty, aggiesarcade, alanlimbk, aleks10100, ambermurray37, anubis-2165, barbaracreech, bessbess66, bettybiffster, bjbar121, bokharagirl, canadianaustralian623, carrol1028, catz4ever45, chiritas4you, chrisort1, clintbrandenburg, clover0120, daruma_t, dolls4sale300, doomracing, draculakkp, edaku79, eggplant5811, eileenreneeq1, esbv0702, esussli, frogtropics, gailm777, gails_streps, gardenangel4u, gardeningperennialgirl, gesneriadsgesneriads, gobeil1980, granny4564, greeeneyezzzz, happyfaceme, hazel454, hjrat53, ibegoniacrazy, ja_candles, janeblank, jmhuebb, joycewoodjr, kila13, kobietruman, ladysha54, larzbloodblade, lindaloo47, lindasviolets, lisa_swenson, lmsw1619, lois9330, loveofviolets, luvbabygap, mandytse619, markenstefan64, mimisviolets, momnomore, momoney1dog, monax30, mur4a, naga99, nch75, neonkatt, nikonca, nj6fan, owatagooseiam, palmetto*bay, pearlpearl413, peonywm, pickledpigfoot, plantcraziee, r_u_in_to_it, racerboy_8, rajateddy, rasviolet, sallyinsf, samantakubipl, sextine, sharonasay, shihtzumomx2, sky_dove, spacecat3, splash96, sprouse5150, spud19680, supercat002, tamnal352, tdsp54, thegardenangel, thegardener101, themountainsampler, trailing.on, tutor, veromene123, violeteer, violetsandroses2006, vwchickie69, waynearthur2, willows_bend, wohu2000, xlzcow, zukaitis
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badbuyerslist invades privacy & is essentally bitchfest
One complaint about me describes me as a "bitch" and involves a $50 transaction for a dress. I am male. My wife buys her own dresses....and not online. Second one, from some Yobbo in China, says I sought a refund for an item that was delivered. Everything I get on AliExpress has been delivered on time and correctly. badbuyerlist won't identify who the buyers are who render these complaints. that is flat out cowardly. my name, e-mail address and home address are out there for all to see...and I have zero idea who the complainers are. I have requested a takedown from badbuyerslist.org. Will see how they respond....if they even feel the responsibility to do so. Amateurs pandering to angry misfits.
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As long as Sellers are unhappy.......
Hey Mark Zuckerberg. You have the money and the platform already. Why not create Facebook auction ?? You could make another 10 billion !!
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ebay feedback
Unlike a shopkeeper I have no idea what a buyer is like.
When you see someone with 30 feedback that might be 30 small purchases over an eight year period. That buyer may have been very unpleasant to deal with but I wont know.
I recently had a problem with a paypal email address error. I apologised and explained how it could be resolved. The buyer got pissy and accused me of wanting to make more money on it?? (How...when he had already bid way over the odds? Of course he didnt answer! A totally unreasonble buyer with issues!
He got mildly abusive and it gave me no confidence to continue the sale.
Sure enough the neg feedback came when the buyer hadnt paid and been abusive which caused the sale to fall through.
At least a shopkeeper would have the opportunity to refuse selling to an obvious trouble causer.
Most people in the ebay community are brilliant but I now have malicious feedback on my account for a year on the stars and forever in the history pages....Its ridiculous.
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black list
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Re: Seller Feedback
Several sellers in China buy at inflated prices, receive the items, wait until the last minute to file a SNAD claim with PayPal and email seller to ask for a VERY significant discount. This is, frankly, blackmail, and refusal to rebate runs the risk of negative feedback, losing the PayPal dispute, and buyer sending back, by Registered mail...NOTHING, an empty package. A quick check of some of the IDs show that this is routine with a few buyers.
Under your scenario, the buyer has already received positive feedback from me, and only starts the trouble 44 days later. Result; very bad buyer with 100% positive and undeserved feedback.
The very least you should allow me is the right NOT to leave positive feedback for these people!!
So i should only be able to leave "paid" or "unpaid" feedback??
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A Dangerous Buyer
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Suing badbuyerlist.com ?
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Sellers Unite to Weed Out Scammers!
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Re: badbuyerslist invades privacy & is essentally bitchfest
Well is you didn't scam or blackmail someone your info would not be out there. If you didn't do anything wrong why would someone waste their time flaming you or lying about you. Admit it. You screwed someone over thinking there was nothing they could do but now your info is out there for all the telemarketers to see.
Way to go anus
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Block BS20102010
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Nonpaying eBay buyer
sfudwin
PHILIP LUBIN
Dept of Physics
University of California
Santa Barbara, CA
http://www.facebook.com/philip.lubin
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A new Block member
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Re: A new Block member
Bad buyer and bad seller.
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BadBuyerList.org
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buyers extorting sellers
IT HAS ACTUALLY GOTTEN TO ABOUT 30% (WITH THE HELP OF OUR ECONOMY) BUT THE FUNNY PART IS~~ IT'S NEVER THE EXPENSIVE STUFF~ IT'S ALWAYS THE $10 & $15 BUYERS.
I JUST REFUNDED A LADY THE COMPLETE COST (SHIPPING AND ALL) ON AN ITEM & EVEN LET HER KEEP THE ITEM SIMPLY BECAUSE SHE SAID THERE WAS A SCRATCH (THAT I DEFINITELY DID NOT SEE. SHE IS STILL WRITING & GIVING ME THE BLUES!
I HAVE BEGGED HER TO JUST GO AWAY & LET ME TRY TO REMAIN TRANQUIL AS ~ WHEN I INFORMED HER I WAS TERMINAL~ SHE SUGGESTED THAT I SHOULD QUITE EBAY THEN AS I AM CERTAINLY NOT FIT TO DO IT!
NASTY BITCH~` loalasmom4life
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Re: A Dangerous Buyer
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Extortionist
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Thief "alcomen"
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Buyer you must block
refused to pay customs duty then open item not received case and got the item delivered then getting refund through useless eBay customer support
If you want to protect yourself from being scammed like me, definitely put this buyer in your blocked list.
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Annoy, shit buyer.
Name: William ●nuschuk, ID:tigergrommet (Hide 1 word in ●)
I told him that I reached selling limit and that mention on ebay policy.
However He said "Where did you look??????? You look place no good!!!
I am using ebay Canada. You can call e-bay Canada toll free. They mentioning about no limit policy selling policy for seller.
You should check there
http://ocsnext.ebay.ca.com
（←dammy URL）Anyway I can please not to pay sure.
I so soorry for last time you have to pay fee for my handling for open fee case.
If you please you can ignore.
BTW, you funny very and I make to hard laugh.
Christmas Happy for you?????????"
He waste of my time, he was having fun with my act. I don't want to do such a immature things like the buyer though. He is so immature. He is a dishonor to Canada. I will never do such a silly things!
Dear sellers, ebay always care about buyers, not sellers, but don't be loser.
Thank you for offering such a good place to say my a complainta grumble.
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Buyers E-Scammers on Ebay
Name:Jeffrey Parks and Edward Lawrence
Username:ej_marketing
Phone:314 400 8067
Address:6355 Howdershell Rd # 301 Hazelwood MO 63042-1121 and 25 S. Florissant Rd. Suite 203 Ferguson MO 63135
Country:United States
Store:eBAY
Payment:PayPal
Category:Computers & Networking
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When do you go to far, and take it out on the wrong person
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Re: BadBuyerList.org: a bad buyer list for online seller
Best Regards,
Ryan
BadBuyerList.org
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Buyer Review Site & Online Selling Tools
sellsafer.com
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Online Sellers Website
sellsafer.com
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Re: What is the Basis For Seller Feedback...
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eBay feedback
But when a problem does occur and it is directly made point of in your listing and you are certain that their is no way you will be stuck paying a $50 return shipping fee and refunding that buyers entire payment after they destroyed your item, neglecting to even read your listing completely before they paid for it, then have the balls to open a SNAD case against YOU! So you are certain that there is no way you could possibly be in the wrong and you decide not to accept that as your fault, and escalate that case asking ebay to step in and help. then 30 seconds later you see a message pop up telling you they decided in the buyers favor and they have already supplied a return shipping label for about 2 times the cost you paid to ship it.
When you try to appeal, (not even the correct word since appeal means to have the case read by a different deciding group of people who have no connection or involvement in the original hearing) you could be told you are not allowed to appeal, they will not accept your appeal, your appeal was rejected within seconds.
The 1st problem is that the ruling party has a vested interest in the outcome, they stand to profit directly from that decision, which cannot be legal in any sense of the law. The 2nd problem is that even though you are "solely responsible for your listing" as ebay posts on each listing, you find that nothing you have written on that page makes any difference unless you make a mistake. If you have a tiny misspelled error, or anything that can be used against you, it will, but if you have an obvious clearly written term of sale posted set in place only due to eBay's lack of enforcing their own policies, it will simply be overruled. Plain and simple it won't count for anything, nada, you might as well not even bother to write anything in the listing at all, it's safer, the chances of your words being used against you have dropped to 0, the description won't be off, the pictures are proof enough, you sold it as "USED" all the rules that define used will apply
The only way you can defend yourself from buyers who are looking to get free stuff is to sell everything as "for parts not working" don't write a single word in your listing other than shipping cost (in case eBay's shipping price shown is incorrect this is your only proof that you did not intend to ship it for free as the page will sometimes likes to change it to Free when it is no longer in sight).
I have written in ebay's community about how we as sellers do not have to lay down and accept ebay's changes, we can simply fight back by not accepting returns when we know the buyers are lying, if we all did this ebay would be so busy dealing with these crooks that they would rethink it and make adjustments. but when it's 100 out of 1,000,000 sellers who think this way, (we have given up on that TRS BS years ago and it has changed our lives for the better) with every seller so worried about loosing their tiny discounts they will do anything ebay says just to stay as a seller!
not until they are losing money for several months will they even open their mouths or take any actions. this is what it has become, the few with the common sense to take a stand are so outnumbered by the idiots who are letting this site destroy their sales and make this into a criminals paradise. For both fraudulent buyers and sellers to flourish. IF YOU'RE HONEST YOU ARE JUST A TARGET THAT HASN'T BEEN HIT YET.
Ebay knows that they have the sellers so frightened that they can do anything they want and only lose a small percent with each planned change targeted to take a little bit more from their sellers pockets, they will continue to do so until the larger sllers who they need find the site to no longer be worth using. That will take some time but eBay is burning through sellers as fast as they can trying to meet expectations of investors, they could care less how it's done and who it effects, even encouraging sellers to fight cases knowing that you will lose no matter what the buyer has done. Recorded evidence which would jail that same buyer if brought to a real court of law is not even considered when they decide on your case, in fact the higher the cost of the items the less likely eBay will even give a fair reading of the evidence! They may decide in the sellers favor if the item sells for under $15 and has a $3 shipping cost, they have done so with a few of mine but when it's $100 with a $50 shipping they won't even bother. When the low cost items are decided they will just refund the cost out of their pocket and tell you you won, they also tell the buyer they won, they just absorb the loss to keep you happy and thinking eBay's got my back! Then you return with a good outlook and sell some higher cost items, until it happens and you realize you have no way to cover 3 or 4 $200 losses per month, and get the defects for the cases, they have paypal hold your funds, you get limited to 150 listings per month and less than $3000 in total value even if you pay for a store which has 400 free listings included, you will just lose those free listings.
That's why and how things are like they are here, scared sellers who won't even question the dictator in fear of being banished from their criminal platform where the saying is" If you have a problem paying to ship your belongings to strangers as a gift and then hearing them complain the entire time about how it wasn't good enough or delivered fast enough, then you shouldn't be listing on eBay!"
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So just be thankful that crazy B even sent you anything back at all, how mad would you be if that happened? What if the order was for a $100 item with $28 shipping, then they kept it, you were forced to refund the entire amount plus the return shipping cost that ebay inflates, seller fees and a defect? Effectively costing you about $200 in losses right out of your account? Then have it happen a few more times in the next few months? Be prepared for it to happen.
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Another shitbayer ! Buyer/not buyer
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Bad Buyer
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