Artist Thrilled That His Work Was 'Stolen' By Fashion Designer
from the sincerest-form-of-flattery dept
Reader johnjac points us to a blog post from a guy who made some computer generated images of flocking birds, and was rather stunned when he discovered that a big time fashion designer had basically yanked one of his photos off of Flickr and put it on a sweatshirt. While we hear so many stories of people freaking out in such situations, this guy's reaction is quite refreshing:The more we looked, the more the neighboring details fell into place. Smith's version was mirrored left to right so I loaded the image in Photoshop and flipped it. "Oh my god! He totally stole my work!" I was dancing around the room. "Paul Smith stole from me!" I will admit it was a strange reaction. I didn't realize this until later in the day. I was actually thrilled that someone had ripped me off. Someone I liked.Later on in the post, the guy, Robert Hodgin, admits that his own works are built off of the works of others, as well. And, that's exactly how creativity works: you build on the works of others. It shouldn't be seen as a crime or something to get angry about. It's a way to provide more materials for more creativity going forward.
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Giganormous
"One who develops future intellectual pursuits by understanding the research and works created by notable thinkers of the past".
Life of the artist +70 to +120 years insures that we will all be dwarfs in the future.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Bono_Copyright_Term_Extension_Act
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from his blog:
[quote]In the spirit of full disclosure, I must admit I am not completely innocent in all this. The birds I used in my coding study were culled from other people’s Flickr photos. I didn’t ask permission.[/quote]
At least he was honest enough to admit the work is compiled from the work of others.
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http://lessig.org/
My opinion, it is shameful to retard the public domain, blissful to flourish it.
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"plagiarism" ultimate form of flattery!!!
and thats why i think open source has a brighter future than "regular" software.
look at IEs progress vs FFs progress (i don't even want to talk about which is better here) just thinking of the time it took ff to reach its v3 stage and how the add'ons complement it.
then look at how long it took IE to reach v8 and any limitation or advantages it may have.
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Hit him !
This is EXACTLY how creativity doesn't work. Many things work this way, creativity is the exact opposite.
Creativity is choosing the other path.
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True, but...
I kind of get your point about everybody building on other's work, but it still bothers me a bit that she recieves no credit, not even a damn link on thier site or her name on the the shirt to get some more exposure.
The artist did cheerfully admits she apes Don Bluth's artistic style closely, and she puts the images up as a hobby on an art site, but she still felt kinda bummed about the whole episode.
I guess on some level I'm still not sure that there shouldn't be some kind of acknowledgement or something for somebody's work, provided freely or not.
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The definition of creativity is not to fabricate something new from scratch.
Creativity is when you do something . . . creative. Something innovative, new, neat, or however you chose to describe it.
You can use old things to make new things. This happens most frequently.
Creativity is complicated.
This is a problem of legislating based off of your ideals while ignoring your fellow man's ideals.
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Re: True, but...
Do I think they should receive remuneration for their work? As a photographer and a programmer, I can well appreciate that. One entity with monopolistic and exclusive control over an image, a program or any expression of creativity for 120 years, or the life of a human +70 years is, to say the least excessive. As I often say, if we were all to be paid that way, it would be fair otherwise, it's excessive. The fact that I can use my rights to bludgeon another into financial destruction, or worse, my predecessor doing such, clearly excessive.
I feel that if terms were to evolve with the technology that is allowing us to 'create' and follow it's pace, we would come to something more reasonable. If you can't make money with your 'creation' within 10 - 20 years, perhaps you should be doing something else to earn a living. Otherwise, we should all earn money for a years work for the rest of our lives, and be able to will it to our children for 70 more years. Is that preposterous ?
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didn't mean to imply you, was making a generalization.
It's early.
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Lazy
But then I've seen and heard some amazing derivative work....ice ice baby NOT included.
(I only mention ice ice baby to remind everyone, how shocking his use of the "under pressure" riff was at the time...It wouldn't even be noticed now...)
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From google:
the act of starting something for the first time; introducing something new; "she looked forward to her initiation as an adult"; "the foundation of a new scientific society"
Innovation is a form of creation, but creation means starting from nothing to create something.
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Build on the works of others by all means. Just don't take the credit for their work as well as your own. That's the sole raison d'etre of copyright and the only useful thing it still does.
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fuzzy line
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays_paper/story.html?id=791019
The photos really didn't add anything (in fact I would argue that they took something away by removing the street art from the "frame" that the location they were painted provided)
Still...it's a really fuzzy line isn't it.
I think attribution is the acid test - if you attribute the sources properly it forces you to be honest about your contribution to your work, and doesn't cheat the public from making a fair assessment of whether you added value or not.
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Creation != normal progress.
Just because we have a 50 yearold scientific stagnation, doesn't mean we should embrace a different, lowered standard for creativity.
Create = from 0.
Not evolve. Not innovate. Not improve. Not progress.
CREATION
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It has happened before ...
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Don't know about Euclid, but even Newton and Darwin built on others' ideas. They just did more building than others.
Even when you take existing ideas and attempt to buck them entirely, you're still innovating as they still inspired your ideas in the first place.
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You from Earth ? Or are you some sort of sociology/economics/literature whatever major ?
About the other thing...
Having initial knowledge in the field you are about destroy doesn't really mean "building". John von Neumann is a good example of such a guy. After he touched fields (set theory, game theory, statistics, CS, and wtf not), It'd take decades to just understand the impact of the shitstorms he caused.
There's a reason why many called him "the last great mathematician".
Creating a new set of rules, a new standard which contradicts everything else in the field which you are building upon, is creativity. Yes, all scientists stand on the shoulders of giants, but it's all about how much is left of the giant you stood on, when you are done.
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You from Earth ? Or are you some sort of sociology/economics/literature whatever major ?
You're really not aware of any major scientific progress since 1958? Wow. You must be from inside the earth, ie living in a cave. And BTW scientists have learned a lot about caves in the last 50 years too, so that still affects you.
Yes, all scientists stand on the shoulders of giants, but it's all about how much is left of the giant you stood on, when you are done.
So creation is all about destruction? Now I'm confused!
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I Hope
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Funny
"A suitocrat of the old school"
Independent, The (London), May 17, 1997
"His ideas come from all sides, settling softly on him like a flock of birds. 'You can find inspiration in anything,' is an old dictum, 'and if you can't, you're not looking properly.'
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4158/is_19970517/ai_n14107362/pg_2
HA!
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How creative you think you be if you never observed anything?
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http://www.google.com/mobile/goggles/
Those people or companies that don't bother to at least recognize someone will be in hot waters for it.
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Please create the universe you live in from nothing to them create everything else then.
Can you do that?
If not you are just manipulating everything that was there before.
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Who knew one guy invented the rules of the universe.
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