Should It Be Illegal To Sell A Keylogger? Or Just To Use It?
from the might-be-pushing-the-boundaries dept
A court has issued an injunction temporarily banning the sale of a keylogger product called RemoteSpy. The ruling probably makes sense under the current FTC law, but it does raise some questions about whether it really makes sense to ban the sale of such a program, versus just the use of one. I can certainly understand why you might want to ban the sale of such programs, because if they're sold, they're perhaps more likely to be used. However, it still seems wrong to make it illegal to sell some software because that software can be used for illegal activities. Shouldn't the liability belong to those who actually use the software for illegal purposes?Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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Your final question is like asking if it shouldn't be the crack user only, and not the crack dealer, that is punishable in the buy/sell transaction.
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Programs don't spy on people...
IMO everything should be illegal, and we should all be put in prison.
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Key logging software is not currently legal, nor should it be. And while I'm not a lawyer, I would be very, very surprised to find out that key logging, the primary purpose of the software, is illegal. If it were, that would be a vicious slippery slope since just about everything you do on a computer is logged somewhere for perfectly valid reasons.
Think about it this way: if they rebranded their product from "RemoteSpy" to "Nanny 2008" and called it a programming for monitoring what your children are doing, this would probably be a very different story.
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>> Key logging software is not currently *illegal*.
Sorry, I'm done with the comment spam.
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- lockpicks
- guns
- Sudafed... oh wait, we did ban OTC sales of Sudafed because junkies were cooking it up.
It's a line we have to walk, when is something worth banning because of its potential for abuse. I think banning keyloggers is bad idea, since (as I exemplified) this would probably encompass very useful and legitimate software with friendlier names.
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In his sensationalism...
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Really? I seem to recall reading about the FBI doing that.
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Should be illegal
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Possible legal use
If you play computer games at the worldwide tournament level, a keylogger could be useful to learn someone's favored build order in a stategy game (with their permission, of course.)
Etc.
Yes, the overwhelming majority of times a keylogger is employed, it's to do something unethical, and usually illegal as well, but they DO have legitimate uses.
That being said, a program called "RemoteSpy" clearly isn't targeting itself at legit uses.
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Ban Cars Too
Sir: PLEASE PROTECT US.
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Uhh
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Ban More
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Whoa - visual basic ?
You've got to be kidding
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..jesus.
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Backup Tools - They can be used to backup child porn.
Cleanup Tools - They can be used to cleanup traces of child porn.
DVD Software - They can be used to play child porn.
E-Mail Clients - They can be used to email child porn.
Graphics Viewers - They can be used to view child porn.
HTML Editors - They can be used to make websites that contain child porn.
IRC Clients - They can be used to talk about child porn.
Text Editors - They can be used to write stories about child porn.
Video Capture Software - They can be used to capture child porn.
Video Converters - They can be used to to convert child porn.
Video Editing Software - They can be used to edit child porn.
Video Players - They can be used to play child porn.
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Are you arguing that the software being sold is legal or illegal?
Meanwhile, read the complaint, people. Don't just jump on the bandwagon because someone's beating a drum.
Either an owner or an authorized user can install a keylogger legally without notifying anyone else. The FTC has no problem with that. Corporate America does it all the time (the company owns the machine). NetNanny and the like are perfectly legal (as long as an owner or the owner of a userid on the machine installs the software knowingly).
According to the FTC complaint, RemoteSpy provides tools and instructions to trick people into running the install without realizing what they're doing. The company advertises the fact that RemoteSpy is designed to stealth install, conceal its presence and take steps to complicate removal when finally detected. (The FTC complaint includes quotes from company advertisements supporting these points.)
There is no compelling legal use for the stealth install, cloaking or complicated removal features of the software. If the company wants to sell RemoteSpy, all they need to do is remove those features. They should probably ditch the "how to trick people into installing" wizard too, but arguably a non-stealth install would mitigate that issue if people are smart enough to read the warnings.
Also note that the FTC is filing this complaint in response to a complaint to them in March from the Electronic Privacy Information Center (free speech rights, privacy rights, anti-FISA, keep the government far from my computer, etc.). EPIC claimed that RemoteSpy is illegal. The FTC is acting on their complaint.
Sometimes the Feds do the right thing, people.
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Oog find hard rump meat a real PITA.
Oog cold.
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