Can't Compete? Sue For Patent Infringement!
from the it's-easier! dept
It happens over and over again... if you can't innovate to compete, why not litigate to compete? Broadband Reports points out that Charter Communications is now suing Verizon for patent infringement relating to Verizon's FiOS fiber optic internet connections. The article makes it pretty clear this has nothing to do with any "stolen" technology, and everything to do with Charter not wanting to have to compete with Verizon's faster fiber optic offering. Progress, just the way Jefferson intended, right?
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Filed Under: competition, fiber optics, innovation, patents
Companies: charter, verizon
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Oh wait...no.
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Not so Fast...
"Verizon sued Charter in February 2007 in federal court in Texarkana, Texas, claiming infringement on eight patents for providing telephone services on a data network. That case is pending."
Verizon has there share of crappy suits....Remember how they sued Vonage? Sounds to me like they are getting a taste of their own medicine.
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idiotic
I expect Verizon to fight back pretty strongly.
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Business as Usual
The primary problem blocking meaningful reform is that so many institutions are built on the current patent system. If patent law changes, it introduces uncertainty (i.e. competition) into the market. Companies, particularly dominant companies, don’t like uncertainty.
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Obviously Charter cannot compete so they are suing Verizon.
Obviously Verizon cannot compete so they are suing Charter.
I think this is more in line with techdirt's mantra that only those who are failing in the market resort to lawsuits, thus stifling innovation. Hence, neither Charter nor Verizon are innovative.
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Corp Wars + Litigation = No. NO!
Any judge worth the wig on his head (I know they don't wear wigs anymore, just humor me) will throw this case out.
It's their own fault if they can't find a clever way to beat the competition.
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Actually, yes. Try reading the Patent Acts of 1790 and 1792 that TJ helped author.
And, again, "progress" as used by TJ had a significantly different meaning from "progress" as used by techdirt.
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Stupid short term strategy though. It's nothing new - seriously; what corporation now even thinks long term at all - it's all short term gains.
I suspect the few that do think long term, will survive for the long term, if they only think short term... well..
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http://techdirt.com/articles/20080119/17582312.shtml
It is in these companies best interest to troll patients, because they can maintain a measure of control in there respective industries without ever doing anything more than filing paperwork with limited financial resources.
And except for a few exceptions to this rule ie google, patient issues are well researched and planned for before any action is taken by larger corporations, and almost always serves to there advantage. including Verizon in this case!
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Quite familiar with them, and this is clearly NOT what Jefferson intended. You are ignoring pretty much everything he has said about patents and progress.
And, again, "progress" as used by TJ had a significantly different meaning from "progress" as used by techdirt.
Not so at all. Our definition of progress is extremely Jeffersonian, and very much informed by his writings.
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Very well then, if you are as familiar as you say perhaps you can explain why Section 2 of the 1792 Act expressly recognizes the "Mexican Standoff" that is typical when one holds a patent on an item and another holds a patent on an improvement to that item. You say "the improver(s) is/are being stifled, and thus progress and innovation are being held back." How you can square this with your recurring statements about TJ escapes me completely since he was one of its drafters and one of the original examiners of patent applications. I agree that TJ had a more narrow view of what the patent system should embrace than is the case today, but this is a far cry from affirmative statements suggesting he saw little if any utility in the patent system.
"Not so at all. Our definition of progress is extremely Jeffersonian, and very much informed by his writings."
Might I suggest you take another look at his correspondence with John Adams at the time of the Constitutional Convention, as well as the paragraph in his letter to Mr. McPherson that immediately follows the paragraph you and others keep quoting as representative of his having an anti-patent stance?
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My point is that the system of patent litigation and licensing is so entrenched that significant changes would cause shareholder panic, especially in mega-corps with extensive and costly portfolios. While the ultimate outcome would be positive, I think, the initial creative destruction that needed patent reform would cause is currently prohibitive.
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I have two full clips just for the lawyers when Armageddon knocks on my door.
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Holding a patent allows you to enact a large measure of control on the market place. If you don't think companies are profiting from this your very very niave.
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I never said that TJ saw no utility in the patent system. To suggest I said that is, as per your usual standard, incorrect.
I have said that he was quite aware of the harm that could be done by the patent system. As such, he tried to weigh the pros and cons, and given the information he had at the time, believed that the pros every so slightly outweighed the cons, but that the overall situation should be monitored carefully should evidence to the contrary appear.
With so much overwhelming evidence to the contrary now present, it's quite reasonable to suggest he would take a much dimmer view on how the patent system is being used today.
A scenario whereby a competitor is blatantly using patents not because of an "improvement on an item" but for something that was the natural progression of the market, would be exactly the type of scenario that he was so worried about.
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Owning patents are the best long term strategy around, especially in the tech field. Why spend time and money developing technologies, and way to implement them when you can just file a patent and suck off of others success, or force them not to compete.
Or put in terms of this article, why spend the money and effort developing the fastest fiber optic network when you can just make a cheap crappy one and then make it illegal to compete.
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They're fightin' back
-jm
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Maybe he did feel this way, but nowhere in any of his correspondence with others did he ever suggest "slightly". He did see a clear benefit, but did caution about the system lest it be abused.
"With so much overwhelming evidence to the contrary now present, it's quite reasonable to suggest he would take a much dimmer view on how the patent system is being used today."
TJ (who, by the way, was not the only person involved in the creation of the patent system...it was created by numerous people) was apparently a very learned man with a high degree of intellectual curiosity. I sincerely doubt he would have accepted this so-called" overwhelming evidence at face value. I do believe who would have examined it quite closely, in which case I also believe he would have very quickly discovered the difficulties presented by the initial assumptions and examples used in support of the the conclusions by the various authors.
"...natural progression of the market..."
At the time the principles underlying the establishment of our patent system were being discussed, this is one issue that was specifically noted (I provided a citation some time back, but did not retain a copy so I am unable to resupply the cite). Nevertheless, it was not adopted as a test, due in part to the basic priciple that a patent system was deemed appropriate for promoting progress by encouraging public disclosure as early as possible.
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Pretty clearly in nearly all of his discussions on patents. He does come down on the pro side, but he admits that it's something of a battle.
TJ (who, by the way, was not the only person involved in the creation of the patent system...it was created by numerous people) was apparently a very learned man with a high degree of intellectual curiosity. I sincerely doubt he would have accepted this so-called" overwhelming evidence at face value.
No one said he would have accepted it at face value. But when the evidence is as overwhelming as it is, then I can't see how he could come to another conclusion.
I do believe who would have examined it quite closely, in which case I also believe he would have very quickly discovered the difficulties presented by the initial assumptions and examples used in support of the the conclusions by the various authors.
Hmm. Interesting. I've certainly seen problems with some individual studies, but considering just how many studies without problems, attacking the problem from so many different angles have shown pretty much the same thing, I find it difficult to square with your assumption that those studies are meaningless.
Are you really suggesting that over 100 studies basically all pointing at the same thing... that all of them are wrong? Yikes. That would be something.
At the time the principles underlying the establishment of our patent system were being discussed, this is one issue that was specifically noted (I provided a citation some time back, but did not retain a copy so I am unable to resupply the cite). Nevertheless, it was not adopted as a test, due in part to the basic priciple that a patent system was deemed appropriate for promoting progress by encouraging public disclosure as early as possible.
Yes, and given the (again) overwhelming evidence that this was a mistake, it's pretty damn likely that TJ and any reasonable reviewer of the evidence would wish to fix this situation.
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http://www.clevelandfed.org/research/trends/2008/0308/03regact.cfm
14 Mar 2008
Education and innovation contributed more to income growth at the state level than other potential factors, according to research conducted at the Federal Reserve Bank of Cleveland. Educational attainment, for example, increased a state’s average per capita personal incomes relative to other states by 8 percent, but innovation—measured by patents per capita—boosts personal income nearly 20 percent. Given the importance of innovation to economic performance, we investigate patenting activity in the Fourth District and compare District trends with those across the nation.
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