Optical Scan Voting Shown To Be Very Accurate In Minnesota Election
from the vote-here dept
We've had so many different stories about problems with e-voting machines and optical scan ballot counting machines, that it's at least worth acknowledging when those machines appear to have actually done their job reasonably well (though, not perfectly). Andrew Appel notes that the hand recount done in Minnesota for the Senatorial election there gave us a chance to look at how well some optical scan machines did, and he suggests they did extremely well, with a net accuracy at 99.99% and a gross accuracy of 99.91%. Of course... both of those numbers mean that the number of ballots incorrectly recorded could have swung the election in one way or another, given the minuscule margin between the two candidates.Either way, the fact that the machines can be somewhat accurate is hardly up for debate. The issue is about whether or not we know they are accurate, and have mechanisms to easily go back and verify that they're accurate and secure. And, it's on those two issues that e-voting companies are way behind in fulfilling.
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Compared to what?
Just to say, manual counting has always had possible flaws too (election rigging did not start with voting machines!), and automated counting can be allowed some leeway too.
I would say this is close enough for most cases if they keep improving; recounts for small differences will always be needed. But a recount only has meaning if the same method is applied. A manual recount after an electronic election therefore needs to be executed twice.
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Re: Compared to what?
at the ballot, there is 1 representative of each party plus 1 independent "supervisor".
the independent, signs every ballot (in the back) before the voters show up, that makes sure no voter cam in with extras.
then after the voting is done the votes are counted by the representatives and the supervisor, they also examine if the signature of the supervisor is on the back of each one.
if there is any disagreement votes are recounted or if any doubts arise about any ballot they debate on them one by one.
of course its not perfect, but as long as the those ppl are doing there job as intended the you can be assured that the numbers tallied are correct.
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Re: Re: Compared to what?
Which was sort of my point.. ;-)
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The second issue is that it's a method of voting that allows for the users to submit an invalid vote. There either needs to be a verifier machine in the same booth that the card is filled out so the voter can ensure that their vote is valid, OR, to move to a method where the only result is a valid vote.
The sad thing, is that New York already has machines that are accurate, and (for the most part) foolproof. But, because some people could not figure out how to vote in Florida, we have to get rid of them. The old voting machines are great machines. You either vote for someone, or you don't. You cannot vote for more people that you are allowed to. Easy-Peasy.
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Find someone that runs a good lottery...
Now if the lottery people can do that (and survive lawsuits, audits to the nth degree, and fierce competition) why is it so freaking hard for the elections people to do the same?
Scan the card. Register the selections. Produce a paper copy. Produce a result. Get audited. Hard, but not impossible.
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Follow the $$$
Voting machine makers only get paid to provide the machine, they have no vested interest in ensuring the accuracy of the results (meaning they get paid when the state/county/government buys their machines, NOT when the machines provide accurate results, although some may argue that they get additional 'pay' for ensuring that certain parties can influence the results).
Change the way the machine contractswork, make the voting machine manufacturers provide the machines for free, and pay them based on the accuracy of the results produced by said machines (with accuracy tracked based on manual recounts/audits and various other 'trails' that could be included), and things might change. If I'm going to get paid the same regardless of the results of the item I'm selling, what is the incentive to actually sell something that works? They might go somewhere else and get a product from a competitor? Yeah right, it's a government contract that was granted to my company based on my brother's son's wife's neices grandfather's position, good luck finding another 'qualified' contractor....
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While there are still things to fight about, we're still ahead of the curve by relying on a paper ballot that's electronically counted (the first time).
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