Neil Young (And Warner Music) Should Learn To Respect YouTube... And Music Fans
from the this-is-getting-tiresome dept
After Warner Music got greedy and demanded money from YouTube that the company is under no legal obligation to pay (safe harbors, people), Google and YouTube demonstrated to Warner Music how little leverage the record label has by taking down all Warner Music videos. This is making plenty of Warner musicians quite angry with Warner Music for pissing off their fans and in some cases breaking the artists' own websites. So, rather than back down and admit that it overplayed its hand, Warner Music is pulling out the old school strategy it has used for years to win such arguments: trot out some well-known musician to whine about how it's just not fair that he's not getting the "respect" he deserves.This time around, it's Neil Young, who has taken to his own website to claim that he and Warner Music aren't getting the proper respect from YouTube, and that YouTube needs to pay up to provide that proper respect. And what about all the musicians who Warner Music's policy is harming right now? What about all those musicians whose fans are pissed off that they can't see videos with the music they like? The problem isn't that YouTube isn't respecting Warner Music -- it has no legal obligation to do so. The problem is that folks like Neil Young and the execs at Warner Music don't respect their fans at all, and fail to realize they want to access their music through YouTube, and doing so provides those musicians with a great benefit in terms of better connecting with their fans and opening up new opportunities to create valuable relationships that will pay much more money in the long run.
In the meantime, when you look at the actual statement on Neil Young's site, it seems like a a pretty blatant copy of the NY Times. We're guessing he didn't pay the NY Times anything. So why isn't anyone demanding that Neil Young "respect" the NY Times?
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funny as...
Really you should start charging Warner Music for advertising for them. Obvious they need you more than you need them.
And sorry Mr Young, I now have a great reason to torch my wifes CD collection in protest.
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He once fought against sponsorship of concerts "This Note's for You", now he's a shill for the industry...
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Neil Young
Good for YouTube, I'm glad they did that. They have no obligation at all to play anyone's videos. If you don't like YouTube then you can use a competing website for your videos, and there are plenty of them.
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Has Been
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Is nothing "identical compensation"?
Wasn't that compensation actually NOTHING for the performers? Didn't I read somewhere that due to contract loopholes performers get no royalties from radio airplay? I think only the songwriters and music publishers actually get paid anything. Granted, for a lot of performers, like Neil, they are the songwriters -- but for others, they long ago lost their rights to royalties or never had them in the first place.
More on royalties here: http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/music-royalties.htm
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Re: Is nothing "identical compensation"?
That's key word there, Neil. Radio USED TO. Now it doesn't. Get going or get lost.
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wow
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Re: wow
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Four Dead in Ohio
Pud.
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"Neil, you ingnorant slut"
I can't remember the last time you offered anything relevant to the dialog that is popular music. Honestly Neil, I mean that with all my heart.
Your inability to grasp the dynamics of the new world we live in just shows how fucking senile you are. Give it up.
Besides, not that many people are even watching the shitty videos of you up on YouTube anyway. I'd estimate that the royalties you are missing out on would probably only buy a can of Coke. Shit, you could sing for that.
You are old, man. Take a look at your life.
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Overreaching again
You can't be serious, Mike. A "pretty blatant copy" of the NY Times? A parody of the nameplate or "masthead" on the front page, but not nearly a copy. The lettering is calligraphy, but a different calligraphy than the Times uses (check the serifs). And Young parodies the "all the news that's fit to print" box. Any similarity ends there.
I know you're trying to underscore your point, but by overreaching, you miss your mark.
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I becha...
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Re: I becha...
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I like him, still...
On the other hand, it's well known that he's a stubborn, crotchety bastard, and a luddite. All digital music's bad, only analog is good (wonder if he'd return the money on all the CD's he has sold?). With any famous person, part of the brain shuts off, and "principled" morphs into "I'm always right, and won't listen to anyone else".
Next thing you know he'll be sitting in a rocking chair railing about how "back in my day...."
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Some dude called Neil
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Time for some critical reading skills
So basically, Warner artists were getting underpaid compared to other performers for the use of their music on YouTube. They complained about getting underpaid, and Youtube tossed them out.
First, it is important to note for all you "the web is free" people that Youtube is paying performance rights on the music. Isn't that interesting? All your Web2.0 dreams go out the window on that one, don't they?
Second, If YouTube is in fact paying to play the music, they should treat all music the same. Otherwise, they would be screwing over the little guy who isn't part of a label that struck such a deal. Another example of the little guy getting screwed by big media, this time with Web2.0 darlings helping out. Google does no evil, indeed!
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Re: Time for some critical reading skills
Um... what?!? Because YouTube, out of Google kindness, but not due to any legal reason, was nice enough to pay some musicians, it somehow ruins "web 2.0"?
Dude. You lost me.
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The only midgets are the mental midgets posting here without reading the actual message, just taking Mike's word without actually checking facts. Sort of the reason why the whole "everyone is the media" thing usually breaks down.
There is so many funny comments on this one by people wildly swiings without reading or understanding what is going on. It's amusing.
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Re: Re: Time for some critical reading skills
No, youtube not out of kindness but by contract (because otherwise they would have been DMCA'ed to death) agreed with various record labels and artists over time to pay for the use of the music (as should be done). Warner's issue in the end is that they were one of the first to sign up with YouTube, and YT is paying them the least of anyone. The point is that all musicians should be paid in the same manner, not different deals for different labels at different rates. That pay rate (which is a pay per play rate, not a flat rights rate) should be the same for all artists.
Where it is really painful is that smaller bands that are not associated with a label are having their music and videos played for free, without any payment to the artists or song writers. Again, it just isn't a fair way to do things. If you are going to pay, pay the same rate to all artists.
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DMCA'd to death? They receive tons of DMCA's every day. How would it be different? They'd just add a few more to the pile. Hardly to death.
agreed with various record labels and artists over time to pay for the use of the music (as should be done).
"Should"? That's a moral statement. Google made the decision to do so, and it was a business decision, but there was absolutely no legal requirement to do so. In fact, I think part of the mess now is their fault for ever agreeing to pay when they didn't have to in the first place.
Warner's issue in the end is that they were one of the first to sign up with YouTube, and YT is paying them the least of anyone.
Man, Harold, you just never can get your facts right can you. This is not true. Warner and the three other major labels signed their deals all on the same morning.
The point is that all musicians should be paid in the same manner, not different deals for different labels at different rates.
They had the same pay rate. Warner demanded more -- even though it has no legal leg to stand on. It has no leverage.
Where it is really painful is that smaller bands that are not associated with a label are having their music and videos played for free, without any payment to the artists or song writers. Again, it just isn't a fair way to do things. If you are going to pay, pay the same rate to all artists.
You realize that most of the smaller bands WANT their music to be played because they're smart enough to understand basic logic says that the more they get played on YouTube the more they're likely to earn through other business model means?
But no... Harold had shown over the past week that he is ignorant on all of this -- including basic logic.
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Re: Time for some critical reading skills
Yeah, same goes for music buyers too. I mean, if you're going to buy music from one band, you should buy from all of them. Playing favorites by only buying music from artists you like is just not fair! All artists deserve for you to buy their music! See, what we need is a music tax that everyone pays so that all artists get paid. The free market isn't fair!
And if you believe that, you'll believe Weird Harold's drivel too.
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I hope you guys don't look as dumb as you write
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It is you with the so-called pissbrain.
First, let's just get out in the open the Neil Young is a troglodyte. He's out-of-date and loud-mouthed about things he knows little about. He essentially ruined CSN by adding the "Y" and folk-shit has never been the same since.
Now to the issue. Neither YouTube nor any other website should be paying to have videos on their site. Videos are promotional tools, and the tools who work for the labels are so busy stealing money from everyone - especially the artists - that they see dollar signs under every bush. and they aren't afraid of a little bushwhacking here and there because it's basically how they feed. The media conglomerates are playing out a massive FAIL on this whole issue by not realizing what everyone else did years ago: Having your shit online, for "free"...only leads to more exposure and more sales. Trying to turn your loss-leaders into product turns off your customers and results in falling revenue. Someone earlier mentioned MTV and this is on point: "Back in the day", the labels were PAYING to have their videos on MTV. What changed with the fucking internet? NOTHING.
Now to your observations about Neil's angle on this whole issue:
"The whole article is about making the compensation equal so that all record companies and their artist have the same chance to be downloaded or viewed"
What? Are you fucking brain dead? You don't enable the artists to be downloaded or viewed more by making YOUTUBE PAY MORE. No matter who pays what, the artists are downloaded based on the VALUE of their art, as determined by the AUDIENCE. Money paid has nothing to do with how much exposure an artist is going to get. DO YOU GET THAT?
YouTube could PAY Warner 10 TIMES MORE THAN ALL THE OTHER LABELS COMBINED... and Neil would still only get downloaded two or three times a year because NO ONE CARES ABOUT THAT WRINKLED OLD PIECE OF SHIT.
You have the equation completely backward, and you are calling out "piss for brains"??
Dude, really. Get back on the turnip truck.
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Re: I hope you guys don't look as dumb as you write
Always makes you more credible if you start off a comment with an insult. Then we know that you have a real argument.
You blowhards must have piss for brains.
Make that two insults.
If you really read what's on Neil's site you'd see that his only complaint with You Tube is their unequal compensation of artist.
For compensation they have no legal requirement to pay. YouTube is protected under safe harbors. The decision to pay music labels was a peace offering. See what it got them?
Warner Music signed a deal and is now trying to change the terms of it, and make it worse for consumers.
The whole article is about making the compensation equal so that all record companies and their artist have the same chance to be downloaded or viewed.
Say what?!? They do have the same chance. They can just put their content up there for free like everyone else.
Except for Warner Music's decision to force it down... The only one limiting their chance to be viewed appears to be WMG.
To paraphrase, he said "what I understand is that its mainly fans that want to hear more of an artist and that I doubt that it hurt sales"�. This was maybe 10 years ago that he said this
Well, he seems to be saying something quite different today -- and that's all we were commenting on. His views 10 years ago are nice to know, but it sure looks like he changed his mind.
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Let the people decide what constitutes success
And so it will be....................
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Musical Taste and Rational Argument
Since when do positions on copyright equate with musical talent?
I find this highly amusing.
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It does work
Ian Anderson won on that deal...
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Re: It does work
Ian Anderson won on that deal...
Tragically, Anderson has been one of the strongest voices in the UK for copyright extension... *sigh*
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Fork in the road? Why not call it "U-Turn" time.
http://www.billboard.com/bbcom/news/neil-young-to-release-fork-in-the-road-1003947187.story
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No one can be that dumb: was: I hope you guys don't look as dumb as you write
Your reply has so many holes I don't know where to start but let me at least try.
First let me say thank you for copying my "piss for brain" comment, I'm truly flattered.
Secondly, whether you like Neil or whether record companies should be paid for being on You Tube are really another topic. Please stay on topic. I know it is hard for you but up your med's.
I did find one section of your post on topic and I'll address it.
Value determined by the audience is what Neil is saying should be the case. His statement is directed at the fact that if certain companies get paid more their artist will be promoted more and thus will end up on You Tube more. Value will then be determined more by which record company an artist is with and how much You Tube pays them.
While you didn't say it (and may not understand it) it is true that WB signed a contract but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't bring pressure for You Tube to change the terms. That happens in business all the time, it's called negotiation. I think that WB is concerned about the cash, but I think Neil is concerned about equal access (not so much for him but for others).
Your other point about Neil not being download is again off topic and not worth comment.
You still may not understand the point about unequal compensation, but get someone locally to explain it to you.
Please think before you type and if you can please get someone to read over it first so they can help you frame your thoughts.
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Re: No one can be that dumb: was: I hope you guys don't look as dumb as you write
Value determined by the audience? So, what? Are you suggesting that paying more is helping? Oh, and whether or not artists should be paid for YouTube clicks kind of /is/ the point of this whole article. Just because you don't get it doesn't mean it isn't.
"While you didn't say it (and may not understand it) it is true that WB signed a contract but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't bring pressure for You Tube to change the terms. That happens in business all the time, it's called negotiation. I think that WB is concerned about the cash, but I think Neil is concerned about equal access (not so much for him but for others)."
And YouTube answered to the pressure by removing the content. Why does that make YouTube wrong? WMG wanted to change the contract. YouTube said no. WMG pushed on it. YouTube removed the content, so WMG is now getting nothing. Win Win for YouTube, it would seem. You can't just suddenly decide you want more than you're getting, then get all whiny when you are told no. Mr Young's outrage is misplaced, and should be directed at his label, who are the people who are there to PAY HIM.
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Value on YouTube can be easily determined by one single factor: number of views.
Please explain how paying WB more would make me view the video of an old fart.
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Re: No one can be that dumb: was: I hope you guys don't look as dumb as you write
Your reply has so many holes I don't know where to start but let me at least try.
Classic Dumb-Ass Opening. Here's some advice: Just pick a place to start, and start. It's pretty easy. Stating that you don't know where to start just makes you look like a douchebag.
First let me say thank you for copying my "piss for brain" comment, I'm truly flattered.
Ok, time to start listing all those holes...remember??
Secondly, whether you like Neil or whether record companies should be paid for being on You Tube are really another topic. Please stay on topic. I know it is hard for you but up your med's.
Ok, strike two. Time to start with the hole-listing-process, ok?...
PS - You are not the hall monitor here; that's Monday to Friday at your junior high... My showing that the argument is moot before listing the problems with it is perfectly valid. Your stating that it's another topic is basically admitting that you're feeling shaky and want to steer back to your safe-place, which also makes you look like a douchebag.
I did find one section of your post on topic and I'll address it.
Finally...thanks for staying "on topic"
Value determined by the audience is what Neil is saying should be the case. His statement is directed at the fact that if certain companies get paid more their artist will be promoted more and thus will end up on You Tube more. Value will then be determined more by which record company an artist is with and how much You Tube pays them. While you didn't say it (and may not understand it) it is true that WB signed a contract but that doesn't mean that they shouldn't bring pressure for You Tube to change the terms. That happens in business all the time, it's called negotiation. I think that WB is concerned about the cash, but I think Neil is concerned about equal access (not so much for him but for others).
Finally...thanks for staying "on topic"
Your other point about Neil not being download is again off topic and not worth comment.
Good Lord...Yeah, that was a comment...Next time, if something isn't worth comment...just don't comment. That's how grown-ups do it.
You still may not understand the point about unequal compensation, but get someone locally to explain it to you.
The problem with you is that you think with an old-style frame of reference. YT is not a radio station. YT is not a TV station. Most of the content up there is posted by the users, and users post content they like. WB is trying to make money from content which is up there and they leaned on NY of all people, because he's stupid enough to get on a soapbox and wax idiotic about it. Here it is, simplified for you:
Basically WB said to YT, "we want to get paid more for this content"
and YT said, "no",
and WB said, "then take it down",
and YT said "ok"
and WB said "oh shit, let's get YT to whine about this because we don't know what else to do - we fucked up in a major way on this."
Please think before you type and if you can please get someone to read over it first so they can help you frame your thoughts.
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nice thought... but
as much as i love YouTube and also love to harp on the labels -- this crap story is helping no one's cause.
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Indeed. We've actually discussed that in great detail, so I'm not sure why you think it's uninformed.
The fact is that Google had no LEGAL requirement to pay. They did a contractual deal to pay. And Warner is upset with the terms, and trotting out bogus arguments to try to get a larger payout.
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No one knows what went on behind closed doors.
"Warner Music signed a deal and is now trying to change the terms of it, and make it worse for consumers."
It seems like there is not definitive reporting about these negotiations (which I assume were behind closed doors). I think it would be more accurate to say that negotiations broke down and that is within both parties rights. As you can see others describe below a different dynamic to the negotiations than you do. Not saying you are wrong but perhaps being way to lax in reading into the situation. If you want to provide additional sources to back up your above claim feel free to do so. Otherwise figure that everyone except the people in the room don't really know what transpired. And even the spin after the breakdown can easily be of the "he said...she said" variety.
In the first quote below note the "renewal" in "contract renewal terms"
In the second quote note that "Google attempted to change the way..."
Lead sentence from http://www.fasterlouder.com.au/news/international/16430/Warner-vs-YouTube.htm
"The world’s third largest record company Warner Music Group has pulled all of its YouTube videos, having failed to negotiate acceptable contract renewal terms with the company."
also...
"Google is currently attempting to negotiate terms with the remaining members of the ‘big four’ – EMI, Sony and Universal. Talks broke down after Google attempted to change the way that the labels generate revenue from their current pay-per-play terms to a more ad focused system."
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Clarity
Mike, do you have any links/evidence that validates this statement: "Warner and the three other major labels signed their deals all on the same morning."
Seems to me that everybody is just frothing at the mouth on one side or the other and nobody is reporting the facts because nobody knows them; it was a closed-door negotiation.
Warner is saying that their pay rate is lower than the other majors. Mike is saying that Warner Bros. is lying - and his blog does record a history of Warner trying to get blood from turnips and squeeze down everyone they can for more dough.
The argument that "it's the small guy who loses" doesn't really take with me because let's be honest: no one, not a major web site not a major label is going to look out for the independent artist. I agree with Mike that posting for free on YouTube can work with a viable business model.
So. Neil Young is just trying to do what he thinks is right, and he believes that Warner is telling the truth. Mike believes otherwise. Mike, can you also respond to Debunked above who has basically the same point I have? - there are some sweeping statements in this post that don't seem to have solid ground and you are usually so spot-on the money. Thanks.
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Mike, do you have any links/evidence that validates this statement: "Warner and the three other major labels signed their deals all on the same morning."
I was talking about the original deals, where this information was all well reported:
http://techdirt.com/articles/20061018/231831.shtml
The latest deal is a somewhat different situation, and certainly there is a bit of he said/she said going on there, but the reports from both Warner and Google originally claimed that a new deal was agreed upon... until Warner went back and suddenly demanded more money. I don't have official links, but I've heard from credible sources that Google offered Warner the same deal others got.
And, yes, I agree that Neil Young is probably an honest dupe in this process.
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lol the guy who starts "Clearly you have piss for brains.." lol jeez dude...
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Since you have piss for brains I know you didn't go to law school, so get off the "safe harbor" (not safe harbors as you stated, that would be a place to dock you boat). Safe harbor may protect YT from punitive damages not may not protect from statutory damages (which can be massive).
Also I'm sure you didn't go to business school either or you would know that companies don't pay millions of dollars if as you say they have "no legal requirement to pay". Google isn't stupid, and didn't just chunk up a bunch of money because they had it.
I know you don't understand the relationship between "views" and "money" and you might be better taking Marketing 101, but I'll try to make it simple. Money leads to advertising, advertising leads to searches, searches leads to views. I'm not sure if you have ever noticed but record companies pay to have their artist ads appear on certain pages. Where do you think that money comes from?
WB has to right to ask for whatever terms they wish for in a contract. YT has the right to agree or refuse. Neil Young as the right to post his opinion on his web site. We have the right to agree or disagree.
My point is to that we should try understand what is the disagreement. It's not "respect" of YT or fans by Neil Young (I can't think of any artist that has done more to earn respect then Neil). The whole point of Neil's message (which I think most people with a little humor can see was written tongue in cheek) is that if You Tube really respect fans they would pay all records companies equal just like radio did. I think what you and all the other nuts in here miss is that equal can be $0. Why don't YT just pay all record company $0 if they have "no legal requirement to pay"?
"Always makes you more credible if you start off a comment with an insult. Then we know that you have a real argument."
Thanks for stating that I'm credible (I wish I could say the same for you). Besides showing credibility, starting with and insult also get people to read you comment (especially the jerks). Thanks for reading! Mike
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and here we get to the heart of whats making you such an angry little boy.....someone dissed your hero.
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Since you have piss for brains I know you didn't go to law school, so get off the "safe harbor" (not safe harbors as you stated, that would be a place to dock you boat).
There are multiple types of safe harbors, which I was referring to. You are wrong.
Safe harbor may protect YT from punitive damages not may not protect from statutory damages (which can be massive).
This is also wrong. The DMCA's safe harbors protect from both punitive and statutory damages. You are wrong.
Also I'm sure you didn't go to business school either or you would know that companies don't pay millions of dollars if as you say they have "no legal requirement to pay". Google isn't stupid, and didn't just chunk up a bunch of money because they had it.
Graduated top of my class at a top 10 MBA program, thanks for asking. But, you're wrong. Google paid not because there was a legal requirement, but because they made a business calculation: if they paid, they would avoid a costly lawsuit (which they would win in the end, but it was still cheaper to just pay out and avoid the lawsuit). The other bit of the calculus was that if they paid, it would force smaller startups to pay or face a lawsuit -- which is exactly what happened.
So it made business sense, even though there was no legal reason to pay. For proof that there was no legal reason to pay, look at how Veoh is wiping the floor with content companies in the lawsuits filed against it.
Oh look. You're wrong again!
I know you don't understand the relationship between "views" and "money" and you might be better taking Marketing 101, but I'll try to make it simple. Money leads to advertising, advertising leads to searches, searches leads to views. I'm not sure if you have ever noticed but record companies pay to have their artist ads appear on certain pages. Where do you think that money comes from?
Um. That has nothing to do with what you originally said. Wrong again!
WB has to right to ask for whatever terms they wish for in a contract. YT has the right to agree or refuse. Neil Young as the right to post his opinion on his web site. We have the right to agree or disagree.
Who said otherwise?
My point is to that we should try understand what is the disagreement. It's not "respect" of YT or fans by Neil Young (I can't think of any artist that has done more to earn respect then Neil). The whole point of Neil's message (which I think most people with a little humor can see was written tongue in cheek) is that if You Tube really respect fans they would pay all records companies equal just like radio did.
You do realize that radio doesn't pay musicians for music they play?
I think what you and all the other nuts in here miss is that equal can be $0.
Not according to what NY wrote...
Why don't YT just pay all record company $0 if they have "no legal requirement to pay"?
As I said (you can read, right?) the answer is that they knew this would be cheaper than dealing with the drawn out lawsuit, while also leading their smaller rivals into a lawsuit as well.
Thanks for stating that I'm credible
Your reading comprehension skills are fantastic.
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No it's people that read something, change the facts and then make a post that doesn't have anything to do with the original statement.
I do like Neil Young music and the fact that he tries to make the world a better place for others. However if he was my hero I would have posted with a name like "Neiliou" or just "Neil" (kind of like you did with your name).
Non-original name, non-original thoughts!
Move on, you're too lite!
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Neil's just showing his age
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Still more
There are multiple types of safe harbors, which I was referring to. You are wrong.
Safe Harbor is the legal argument or concept, which would be singular. That would be like saying "he could be convicted under the rules of murders".
This is also wrong. The DMCA's safe harbors protect from both punitive and statutory damages. You are wrong.
Read Viacom Inc. vs. YouTube, Google Inc.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Millennium_Copyright_Act
Graduated top of my class at a top 10 MBA program, thanks for asking.
If that's true (very unlikely) you need a refresher. If your business is allowing uploads and downloads of content, no attorney would advise to pay millions that you legally don't have to do. Google isn't stupid. It might make business sense to pay for something that is minor to your business model but never for your core product. If there wasn't a legal reason to pay they would get a summary judgment and be done with it.
I'm giving up on the money relates to views statement, you'll never understand. Remember Marketing 101, wonderful stuff.
WB has to right....
Who said otherwise?
I would assume that what "Neil doesn't respect YT...or fans" means. I think that was the point of the article. (please do comment on what "assume" means, I haven't heard that one yet)
You do realize that radio doesn't pay musicians for music they play?
They pay ASCAP, BMI and SESAC for composers which is the payment I was speaking of. The point of the example is that they pay an equal amount based on usage. They don't pay different amounts to different record companies.
Not according to what NY wrote...
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As I said (you can read, right?) the answer is that they knew this would be cheaper than dealing with the drawn out lawsuit, while also leading their smaller rivals into a lawsuit as well.
So they paid big companies in order to get rivals to sue them? Clear as mud. Why would a case with no legal justification be "drawn out"?
Your reading comprehension skills are fantastic.
Your insult skills are weak, but keep trying!
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@David
If your business is allowing uploads and downloads of content, no attorney would advise to pay millions that you legally don't have to do. Google isn't stupid. It might make business sense to pay for something that is minor to your business model but never for your core product. If there wasn't a legal reason to pay they would get a summary judgment and be done with it.
My guess is that Google/YouTube had a choice: pay money and host the content on their site (and therefore be able to get advertising revenue), or get DMCA notices and take the content down. They looked at the bigger picture and decided that some money was better than none at all, and chose to strike contracts with the big content publishers.
If you can't see that, then perhaps you shouldn't be questioning Mike's MBA...
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neil young and all...
he happens to enjoy playing music and doesn't want to see new artists getting barred...he's an audiophile to the max and has helped tons of artists..and disabled people as well...i'm sure most of you on here have done pretty much nothing in that regard..esp since this is what you choose to gripe about...
viva neil young...
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