CNN Follows Fox News In Using DMCA To Take Down Fair Use Videos
from the thin-skinned-much? dept
What is it with cable news channels for being thinskinned the second some bloggers start posting criticism? Earlier this year, Fox News used the DMCA to take down videos that were being used in commentary, and then sought to force the site to waive its fair use rights for future video usage. So, that give liberals a chance to laugh at "conservative" Fox news... but don't laugh too hard, because now there's the flipside. The "liberal" CNN has filed a DMCA notice to have video taken down that was being used by a conservative blog for commentary purposes -- again, almost certainly fair use. Also, it sounds like some of the video footage that CNN demanded be taken down wasn't even filmed by CNN, suggesting they don't hold the copyright on it. Either way, it's quite silly for either news station to file such a notice. In both cases it was clear that the sites in question weren't trying to use the video to "compete" unfairly, but to offer criticism and commentary. The fact that both news channels went the DMCA takedown route, makes it clear that they were simply trying to shut up critics. And, of course, in both cases, it backfired, bringing more attention to the stories (and just how thinskinned) cable news networks appear to be... no matter where they might sit on the political spectrum.Thank you for reading this Techdirt post. With so many things competing for everyone’s attention these days, we really appreciate you giving us your time. We work hard every day to put quality content out there for our community.
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To each, their own.
That's why I downloaded this comment with uTorrent...
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Not so much liberal
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Worse
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And yeah, CNN, like most media, is pretty liberal (90%, literally, of journalists are registered democrats). They're not as bad as MSNBC, though.
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Question
This is a serious question.
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So, you honestly believe that CNN feels that including a one minute twenty second video of CNN footage in the context of political commentary is not fair use? Because this is the only way that your statement makes any sense. For this to be true, CNN would have to have a fundamental misunderstanding of what fair use is. I'm not sure what's worse, that you (based on your statement) think that CNN is dangerously ignorant of what fair use is or what Mike thinks, that CNN knows what fair use is, but chooses to ignore it and abuse the DMCA. Niether looks good for CNN.
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video site
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Show me someone who does have a fundamental understanding of what fair is and I'll show you someone who has never taken a copyrights class. It's a ridiculously complex legal analysis and until a court rules one way or the other...
Amen to that. It's almost as if it was designed to keep lawyers in billable hours...
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I disagree. Sure, in order to be familiar with all of the ramifications of fair use and its application, you have to be an expert. But the principles of fair use are rather straight-forward. If this were not the case, then the utility of fair use would be be all but zero. In other words, if what you are saying is right about a "ridiculously complex legal analysis", nobody would take the chance and excersize their fair use rights. You're either right and there's really no such thing as fair use or you're wrong and it's being abused.
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"The distinction between “fair use” and infringement may be unclear and not easily defined. There is no specific number of words, lines, or notes that may safely be taken without permission. Acknowledging the source of the copyrighted material does not substitute for obtaining permission."
From the U.S. Copyright website.
*confused*
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This is fairly impossible because the counter-parties are usually individuals. The DMCA offenders often have lawyers just to squash counter-notices.
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Yep, it's all there in splendid, easy-to-understand verbiage.
:)
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Sorry, not getting the link correct. Let's try this again:
http://www.copyright.gov/fls/fl102.html
*hopes it turns into link*
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"Liberal" CNN
I haven't near the space to justify this statement here,
but for further analysis start with www.mediamatters.com and www.dailyhowler.com.
Granted, CNN is not as crazy as Fox "News." I suppose that's some peoples' definition of "liberal".
What this country desperately needs are news sources that deal with actual news, not fictional narratives designed to emotionally sway the voters.
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Daily Show? Colbert Report?
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So True ... from the Copyright.gov link below:
The Copyright Office can neither determine if a certain use may be considered “fair” nor advise on possible copyright violations. If there is any doubt, it is advisable to consult an attorney. (My emphasis)
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Thanks. But still...sounds like it was written by someone who views copyright as a form of complete ownership rather than a temporary privilege given at the expense of the public. How can you "take" something that isn't owned?
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Fair use and parody
The Stanford site:
http://fairuse.stanford.edu/Copyright_and_Fair_Use_Overview/chapter9/index.html
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What happened to reporting...
I get so sick of both CNN and Fox. Neither one of them are capable of reporting the facts in non-biased manor. Just give me the news, report the story as accurately as possible and then go to town with your opinion segments, but let me have the news straight.
Frankly, if I was in charge at CNN I would want that piece down as well (not justifying the DMCA use which is wrong), but man is that bad!
Freedom
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Let's review in the context of Fair Use
Why not re-evaluate the takedowns and determine if they truly fall within Fair Use or not.
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You're funny ;0)
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abuse of DMCA
Repeat: Sending take down notices in cases of clear fair use can result in serious penalties. But it never works out that way because Fox News and CNN can spend a lot more money on unscrupulous lawyers than the rest of us can (I say unscrupulous because, if they had any actual ethics, they would not send abusive notices).
In other words, they knew DMCA would be abused just like this but made it the law anyway.
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Republican=Bat-Shit-Crazy Conservative
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