Another Bogus Copyright Takedown: Can't Protest A Viacom Movie With T-Shirts
from the where's-the-infringement? dept
Boing Boing points us to the news that someone who was trying to protest the fact that a new Viacom animated movie was hiring Caucasian actors to play Asian or Inuit characters found that the t-shirts she was selling via Zazzle were taken down due to a claim that they violated Viacom's intellectual property. It's difficult to see what the violation of intellectual property here is. The shirts don't use any imagery from the movie itself. The t-shirts were designed by the woman herself. The only thing they have is a mention of the name of the movie -- but that shouldn't be enough to force the content offline. On top of that, plenty of the shirts don't seem to name the movie at all, but do name one of the characters. Again, it's quite difficult to see how this is an intellectual property violation, in any way. The explanation that Zazzle gave isn't entirely clear -- as it might not be a case of Viacom complaining directly, but Zazzle taking the matter into its own hands (which is equally troubling). Whether it's Viacom or Zazzle, this appears to be an overly aggressive attempt to stop perfectly reasonable public speech by hiding behind intellectual property claims. Update: Someone from Viacom stopped by in the comments to let us know that it has no problem with the shirts. Zazzle just took the shirts down on their own, and Viacom has asked them to put the shirts back up. Nice to see Viacom respond in this manner.
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It Ain't right.
As I recall Charlie Chan was not Chinese and no one got bent out of shape over that, until the present day.
And Jackie Chan is Chinese and he has pissed lots of people off lately.
But the Viacom takedown is BS.
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In my humble opinion Aang is not of Asian decent. He appears to be Caucasian and does not have any sort of Asian features or accent.
Katara and Sokka both appear to have darker skin than Aang, however, their features and accents are clearly Caucasian.
Zuko, Iroh, and Azula are clearly Asian. It appears that Zuko will be played by Dev Patel and Iroh will be played by Shaun Toub. Neither actors are Caucasian. The casting of Azula has not been announced as far as I can tell.
To summarize, the casting fits the original show perfectly. What exactly is the problem here?
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Streisand Effect, meet Viacom.
You two play nice together!
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In essence a violation of the first amendment and yet another corporate fear that the little guy is stepping on the big guys toes...
BOO FUCKIN HOO VIACOM!
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Progression of Free Speech in America
First Amendment
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."
late 1980's - 2000ish
Politically Correct
"...all that still applies, just be careful not to offend anyone with what you say...."
2000ish - Present Day
WTF???
"I can offend you with whatever I say, but if YOU offend ME, I'll sue you for everything that your bloodline has ever been and ever will be worth."
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I call fair
The title she used on her shirts "The Last Airbender" is used in the title of the movie and the series by the same name, Avatar: The Last Airbender. Airbender being a term so specific to the setting it may have its own copyright (much as DnD campaign settings copyright individual made up terms or words). The phrase therefore belongs to the world setting and the company (presumably viacom) who owns the rights to that setting. It is a perfectly valid use of IP laws to stop her from selling shirts which feature their intellectual property in ways they don't approve of.
Alternatively, if Zazzle did it without hearing from viacom, I wouldn't tall them going to far. They are preempting possible legal wrangling by not allowing people to use the IP of others in their made up products.
Interestingly, near as I can tell, if the shirt had merely said: "Avatar: putting the Cauc back in asian" it probably would have been fine as at that point they are only words, not phrases belonging to an IP.
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Re: I call fair
As such I think you have a pretty valid argument there. So my question, now, is this: Did Zazzle take the shirts down of their own accord (regardless of the reason, cuz they'd be stupid not to reserve that right in there TOS), or did Viacom PRESSURE Zazzle to take them down?
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Actually...
"No text or images that may place the brand or any of its affiliates in a negative light or which the brand does not wish to have placed on its products"
They put it up front that it's just not their style. Also, the notice from Zazzle specifically states that it was taken down in a "routine sweep for Viacom properties." There is no indication of any action by Viacom anywhere. Everything posted by glockgal on this indicates that there was no DMCA notice.
It seems to me this is just a simple case of a website enforcing their own stated terms of service.
Come on, Mike - are you too distracted lately to check up on your stories? All of the above info was either on the link you provided or just one click-through beyond. This just doesn't seem like you.
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Right. But that doesn't change the questionable nature of the decision. The woman wasn't using images from Viacom. She designed them entirely on her own.
There is no indication of any action by Viacom anywhere.
Which I said in the post, noting that it may be that Zazzle took the content down themselves.
That doesn't change how troubling it is.
Come on, Mike - are you too distracted lately to check up on your stories?
No, I read all of that. The story remains accurate.
I didn't say it was Viacom that took it down. But I did question why either would have any reason to take these down. And I stand by that.
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Re: I call fair
Uh, no, not really. If that were the case, you could never name a brand at all in protesting something about it. If I want to say "Coke treats worker's badly" would you say that's a violation of Coke's IP?
Alternatively, if Zazzle did it without hearing from viacom, I wouldn't tall them going to far. They are preempting possible legal wrangling by not allowing people to use the IP of others in their made up products.
Again, it's not clear where the IP problem is at all, and Zazzle has quite clear legal protections that it has no reason to be proactive about this.
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This side story is about Viacom being a prick. There's not a lot to debate or comment about that, because it's pretty apparent that Viacom is in the wrong. Mike already covered that so there's nothing I can add.
I was commenting on the underlying story, whether the casting is appropriate.
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upside
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story was false
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Free Speech
I OWN EVERYTHING THAT REFERENCES ME!
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Hi Pixelm. I wouldn't say the story was "false." It was entirely accurate. The issue was that Viacom didn't approve of the actions of Zazzle. That's additional info, but it doesn't make the story false. At no point did we say that Viacom demanded the content be taken down, and even noted that there was a decent chance Zazzle did it on its own.
I've now updated the post to clarify, and I'm happy to see how Viacom responded to this issue.
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turns out zazzle took this down on their own - thinking them trademark infringement
The fact that they would preemptively do that (and I've had experience with Cafe Press doing the same thing) is an example of the 'chilling effect' that "IP" (and trademark) has on free speech.
Sorry, it's still a story.
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Off-topic, but...
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@Mike - If Zazzle, a custom merchandising company, who relies on people wanting to make their own brand look good, is acting of their own accord and enforcing their own rules to uphold a "pro-brand" brand image, then more power to them. There is nothing requiring them to be activists or to facilitate the efforts of activists.
There is certainly NOTHING troubling about that to me. There is nothing I can find in the whole story related to copyright (filed in the category error dept), and so I stand by my view that the title and the overall slant of "bogus copyright claim" is what seems bogus here.
But yes, Mike, it is accurate (except perhaps the title), but accurate =/= true...absence of malice as it were.
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I don't think IP applies to Trademarks. Whole different set of laws.
Point is moot if Viacom asked Zazzle to put the shirts back on. Clearly that would indicate that Zazzle took the original action on their own.
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If you're talking about trademark, no attempt has been made to infringe on the trademark in question, merely to refer to the Trademarked item.
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February 26, 2016 at 3:03 pm
I have permission from Alcoholics Anonymous World Services to use the steps and traditions on posters even with then name A.A. in the text as long as I do not say its reprinted from them. It is in the Public Domain two first editions therefore available to use but with a disclaimer which is not mandated but respectful which I do.
Zazzle took down 8 years of my work because they said the Logo and name A.A. was copyrighted. Yes they are but my step posters were done correctly. Even after submitting a email from Central Office Legal Department that I can use these, they keep taking down my work and have ruined my business. They refuse to explain how they justify it, just keep taking more and more that say 12 steps which are over 200 programs in the world with those first words.
Obviously they deem who and what can be used and it was fine until now and after I had some confrontations at their forum with the moderators over things like this, they hit me hard and there are still over 3,000 products from other artists using the A.A. logo and word Alcoholics Anonymous in front of their products and in tags. I reported these for 2 months and they still allow them to use them
I do not have the money for a attorney or know where to contact the owners a well kept secret at Zazzle for obvious reasons. But this is discrimination at its best after I have made them over a quarter of a million dollars in sales they have done this to us.
Yes they are selective and more. Lots of stuff that needs looking into that I cannot post here, but something is very wrong.
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