Norwegian ISP Fights Back Against Pirate Bay Ban
from the democratic-principles dept
The IFPI (the international version of the RIAA) has been working around the clock lately to try to get various ISPs to block access to The Pirate Bay and other file sharing sites. Some have caved in, while others have lost lawsuits. In Norway, however, leading ISP Telenor is fighting back, saying that taking orders from the entertainment industry to block sites it doesn't like goes against democratic principles:"Instead of demanding that Internet providers censor the Internet and monitor the content that's transferred, Telenor believes that the best way to decrease illegal file sharing is to put more effort into making legally downloadable content available."But, as we've seen over the years, there are still many in positions of power within the recording industry who believe that the best new business model is to try to stomp out anyone who challenges their old business model. Eventually, they'll realize what a failed plan that is.
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Filed Under: ban, democracy, norway
Companies: telenor, the pirate bay
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What they aren't saying is that the content would have to be free to have a hope of competing. Thus, it's just self-piracy rather than piracy.
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I'd buy from other sources, but Spanish digital stores often don't stock the music I'm interested in or are 2x - 3x the price of the British stores for non-Spanish music. I'm not allowed to listen to Pandora because I'm not on the "right" continent. I'm not allowed to access certain albums on stores that I do use (AmieStreet, eMusic, 7digital, etc.) because the IFPI's members haven't worked out that international borders don't really exist on the internet.
It's not about free vs. paid. It's about not blatantly refusing to sell to some people (or making it prohibitively expensive), and then complaining when customers turn to "piracy". Ever heard of a pirate refusing to supply a customer because they're in the "wrong" country? Me neither, but the entertainment industry do it all the time.
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The difference in sheer size is difficult for Americans to understand.
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Question - Why Would and ISP Censor?
Telenor notes that this would force them to act as a private police or private censorship authority and that it would be very worrisome in terms of freedom of speech.
Since this is Norway and not the US, how the legal system operates may be different. Nevertheless, I fail to understand how an ISP can be forced to protect the interest of any third party, it is simply not their job.
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EU is a single market
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Re: EU is a single market
Amazon's site says it best if I try to access the UK store, and they show me the following image: http://g-ecx.images-amazon.com/images/G/02/uk-mp3/other/UK_MP3_NonUK_Graphic._V221277881_.gif. "This is due to our publishing and licensing agreements with our digital music partners". In other words, the IFPI are refusing to let Amazon sell to me, and there's nothing they can do about it till the IFPI change their minds.
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Hmmm
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Wouldn't really be any point of labels anymore, would there?
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ISP Vs Pirate Bay
When CDs came out they were double that of LPss. They said they would lower the price when production prices came down, but when they rapidly became a fraction of LP costs they saw people were buying and trousered the difference. Creating ever more creative ways not to pass it on to the artists.
Anybody who knows anything about them hates them and if they are now being ripped off themselves, it couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of guys.
It is bad for the guys at Pirate Bay and co but they can't build the Berlin wall around this one.
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Yeah...right
Oh yes, because iTunes doesnt exist.
Because Dark Knight isnt the 2nd highest grossing movie of all time despite being pirated massively.
Because no one went to see Wolverine ($200 million domestic and counting) because a work print was pirated weeks before the premiere.
Because Transformers made NO money ($300 million and counting) because it was pirated ONE DAY after release.
Because you are buying the company line, you will never understand that this is about consumer CHOICE, not just free stuff.
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I did find it interesting how many US websites were only to happy to ship to the UK to take advantage of the exchange rate the $ was particularly weak, but those with UK websites would not...
Its more about cash, if Amazon or whoever really wanted to be able to sell x CD or whatever, they would find a way
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Would the ISP feel different about theft of services if suddenly all it's users just didn't pay anymore? After all, music and movies are just "a service" being stolen.
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It's licensing, pure and simple.
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Wha??
The hell...?
Whatever point you are trying to make, count it as a "fail." If people dont pay their ISP, they dont get service. You cant compare an internet connection (which is a service with a "scarce good" - bandwidth) to something that can be infinitely replicated at near-zero cost (music, movies, digital INFORMATION). You are paying for that physical connection, of which there is only one (to your house). You cant "copy" that digitally for free and still get service.
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Well AC, if you bothered to look at the first thread, you would realize that because of various licensing issues people in EU countries can't access the music they want. And what do people do when they aren't allowed to legally support musicians, or the cost is extravagantly high? Thats right, they go and get it anyway.
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