NBC Sued For Over $2 Million... For Infringing On A Font

from the yes,-a-font dept

Mon, Oct 12th 2009 12:12pm — Mike Masnick

NBC Universal is one of the more hard core supporters of stronger copyright law, with regular statements from execs that border on ridiculous -- such as the time its General Counsel, Rick Cotton, tried to convince the world that file sharing was harming corn farmers, because people ate less popcorn while watching pirated movies (seriously...). However, apparently even the "copyright maximalist" lawyers and lobbyists over at NBC Unversal slip up once in a while. The company is being sued for over $2 million for infringing on a font (yes, a font). Of course, I think it's ridiculous that any font company thinks it's owed $2 million for such things (yes, font developers, I know you have strong feelings on this, but we've discussed them in the past). For all I care, NBC Universal should be able to do whatever it wants with the fonts it has. But, for a company that seems to tilt so far towards the copyright maximalist position, it seems worth noting when it faces a lawsuit for violating copyrights.

Now, in an ideal world, it would be a teachable moment, where those lobbyists and lawyers might finally realize that in a modern digital world, perhaps copyright maximalism doesn't make much sense (as if it ever did)... but that seems unlikely.

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Dark Helmet (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 12:22pm

Law and Order?
In the civil justice system, the copyright debate is represented by two separate yet equally retarded groups: the massive media conglomerates, who investigate infringement and do a fair amount of bitching about it to no avail while regularly infringing themselves, and the lawyer cabal, who prosecute the offenders, which today is pretty much everyone, including themselvs, Jesus H. Christ, and those odd little animals from Fraggle Rock.

...These are their stories.
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technomage (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 12:38pm

Re: Law and Order?
thanks DM, I just had a copyright infringement in my head as you caused the theme song to play without me paying the respective royalties board.

News at 11, imagination getting sued for copyright infringement and/or possible trademark disputes.
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John Doe, 12 Oct 2009 @ 12:47pm

Awesome..
They are getting off cheap for $2 million; I think they should pay $80,000 per letter!
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 12:49pm

Those are some really nice fonts. I went to the Font Bureau and added the Antenna font to my shopping cart. How many computers will you install these fonts on? Just the one. The price?

$1400.

For one font on one computer. Still a lovely font.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:02pm

Re: Re: Law and Order?
"thanks DM"

Who the shit is DM? My name is Dark HELMET, so it's abbreviated as DH (which blows, because I HATE the American League).

Perhaps you were addressing my mother, Dark Mammaries?
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Marc Stress, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:04pm

Not Just One Font
@Anonymous Coward.

Not exactly. A single font from the Antenna family is only ~$40/workstation

The entire family with 56 weights is $1050 from MyFonts

http://new.myfonts.com/fonts/fontbureau/antenna/

A license for 5 users is $2100 for all 56 fonts in the family.
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fogbugzd (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:05pm

Copyright maximalists always hold the view that copyright only applies to everyone else.
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Matthew, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:10pm

Re: Law and Order?
Those odd little animals from Fraggle Rock? You mean the Dozers. I don't think they even have a written language. If they're getting sued for copyright infringement, the situation is dire, indeed.
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Ima Fish (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:14pm

I love this asinine quote from the linked article...

"Sure, it makes sense that fonts are intellectual property..."

How in the frick does the government granting a monopoly on an expressed letter of the alphabet make any fricken sense?! It makes no sense.

An A is merely a letter and should not be monopolized by anyone. If you want to spend your time making an A look pretty, that's fine. But I don't see why the government should grant you a monopoly for your time.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:15pm

Before exclaiming "OMG...This proves the system is broken!", one really should read the complaint filed with the federal district court. There is more involved than the summary provided here and in the liked article.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:19pm

Re: Not Just One Font
That's confusing as hell but I stand corrected.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:23pm

Re: Law and Order?
Special Copyright Unit
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:23pm

Re: Law and Order?
Special Copyright Unit
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TW Burger (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:29pm

Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
Calm down, it's just a typo. You get upset at ludicrous speed. Take a five minute break...smoke 'em if you got 'em.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:33pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
I actually just wasn't upset. I just spent some valuable time trying to figure out what I thought was the funniest acroynm for DM and I needed a vehicle through which to display it.

Anger/outrage is my standard fallback option...
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TW Burger (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:37pm

Re:
Forget the fonts. I'm going to copyright the English alphabet and sue the public schools for having the letters on the walls in the elementary grade classes and kindergarten. I thought about simply suing all of the publishers of all books but this seems just a bit more 'douchey'.
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ChimpBush McHitlerBurton, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:40pm

Re: Law and Order?
"...These are their stories."

..."SCHUUUUUNGGGGG"

(I'm sucker for iconic sound effects...)

CBMHB
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Jon B., 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:41pm

Re:
I'm lazy. What difference do the details make when the premise is faulty?
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:42pm

Reading the linked WSJ blog article, NBC is not being sued for using the font. They are being sued because NBC evidently only purchased one license for each of the offending fonts, and Font Bureau Inc. is alleging that NBC has distributed those fonts to many more users and installed them on many more computers than that single license grants.

This is more of a licensing dispute/piracy issue.
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TW Burger (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:45pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
I know, I just had to use as many Spaceballs references as I could.

DM
Dark Mantle
Dark Matter
Dark Man
Dark Monster
Dark Mommy
Dark Mammer-Jammer
Dark Mofo
Dark Mother
Dark Maniac
Dark Marketing
Dark ?

Yeah, Dark Mammaries is funniest. I see your Swartz is bigger than mine.
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Sweetwater, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:47pm

Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
"Perhaps you were addressing my mother, Dark Mammaries?"

Did she get those from not cleaning them off after anal sex?

Don't even ask me how it's possible. I don't make the rules.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:47pm

Re:
I should clarify, that is they are not being sued for using a font that they have proper and valid lisenicing for. It seems that NBC also used "several" fonts that they never aquired a license for. Again, piracy issue.

http://cityfile.com/dailyfile/7508
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Dark Helmet (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:48pm

Re: Re: Law and Order?
"..."SCHUUUUUNGGGGG""

Well, I'm going to say you got it wrong, my friend. I'm going to say it would more accurately be represented as:

"Dung Dung!"

Which, ironically, is what most of the parties involved appear to be full of anyway....
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:49pm

Is a font software?
"NBC made infringing copies of the software and distributed it to multiple locations."

Fonts are software? Really?
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harbingerofdoom (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:54pm

interesting..on top of the 2mil, they want NBC to just hand over all computers hard drives, videotapes, DVDs and literally anything else that has the software in question or output of that software turned over to them for destruction as well.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 1:57pm

Sounds A bit like
California... Rulez are good as long as they don't apply to me..

The California way...
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Legit Case, 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:00pm

Fonts Aren't Free
If I were the judge I would give a judgement to Font Bureau of whatever the amount of used licenses were not paid for minus the license NBC paid for and punitive damages of $5,000.00 agaisnt NBC being dicks for trying to skirt the license.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:02pm

Re:
"interesting..on top of the 2mil, they want NBC to just hand over all computers hard drives, videotapes, DVDs and literally anything else that has the software in question or output of that software turned over to them for destruction as well."

...please tell me that includes the physical personage of one Jay Leno. I think America has made it clear that we've had enough of that jackass...
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ChimpBush McHitlerBurton, 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:05pm

Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
You are correct sir!

I was mistaking it for another show's sound.

Inside Edition?

CBMHB
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web20lawyer, 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:17pm

copyright law
Whether we appreciate it or not, Fonts are protected under copyright law. They are the product of design work and possess commercial value. Believe me NBC knows that. I suspect there is a tremendous amount of copyright infringement when it comes to fonts used online and on mobile networks. Most organizations, do not keep track of when and where they got their license to the fonts. -- by internet trademark lawyer --- http://www.web20lawyer.com/page0/page28/copyright-lawtml.html
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Dark Helmet (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:20pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
"Inside Edition?"

Gossip Girl?
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Mike Masnick (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:35pm

Re: copyright law
Whether we appreciate it or not, Fonts are protected under copyright law.

Indeed. No one denies that. We just think it's ridiculous.
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herodotus (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:37pm

Re: Re: Law and Order?
"..."SCHUUUUUNGGGGG""

Well, I'm going to say you got it wrong, my friend. I'm going to say it would more accurately be represented as:

"Dung Dung!"

However appropriate this might be as commentary on the issue, the proper onomatopoeia is "Doink Doink".

I have asked numerous literary professionals and they all agree.
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bigpicture, 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:43pm

Ironic?
Would it be ironic if: "that to every action there is an equal and opposite reaction", or "what you sow is what you will also reap", or "he who lives by the sword dies by the sword" or "the thing that I fear most has come upon me"?

Or just stupidity that they don't already know that?
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 2:47pm

Re: Awesome..
Now are you talking about each letter used every time or just $80,000 for each of the 26 letters since 2 million is roughly $80,000 for each letter of the font.
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John Doe, 12 Oct 2009 @ 3:00pm

Re: Re: Awesome..
$80,000 per every use of the letter. After all, that is file sharing and it must be penalized for every file, er letter.
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Rangda, 12 Oct 2009 @ 3:18pm

Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
"Who the shit is DM?"

Everyone knows that DM is Danger Mouse, who along with his trusty sidekick Penfold continually saves the world from the evil clutches of Baron Silas Greenback.

Cue copyright infringement as I hum the Danger Mouse theme song loud enough for my wife & son to hear it; that must be good for a few million at least.
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How Old Are You?, 12 Oct 2009 @ 3:48pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Law and Order?
You know this is not Fark correct Sweetwater?

By they way - whiskey tango foxtrot sir.
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Comboman (profile), 12 Oct 2009 @ 4:58pm

Re: copyright law
"Fonts" (computer files which reproduce typefaces on a computer system) are indeed protected under copyright, but the typefaces themselves are not protected by copyright. Any "Web 2.0" lawyer worth his fee should know that (look up Eltra Corp. V. Ringer if you want precedent). I don't know the details of the NBC case, but unless they are actually distributing font files, I think they're safe.

Nice website by the way. I hope you have paid license fees to the designers of Cambria Bold and Georgia Serif.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 5:02pm

This is karma, pure and simple
NBC Universal is a supporter of a lot of bad ideas in copyright law, such as: the total, complete elimination of fair use and increased copyright terms. This is just karma coming back to them.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Oct 2009 @ 7:48pm

you can't copyright the alphabet, unless they were using this as part of a design and not for the dissemination of words i find this a hard row to hoe for font bureau as much as i think NBC are a bag of douche. None of those fonts are particularly impressive either.
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Anonymous Coward, 13 Oct 2009 @ 2:46am

Zucker is falling into a trap if he supports NBC-U+CMCS.A if he isn't given his golden parachute before merger.

A merger with CMCS.A is going to have too many regulatory hurdles. It will be a CMCS.A and DIS all over again! If NBC is on the block, Zucker needs to look outside. After all, Roberts' shareholders will come with pitchforks- His shareholders wanted a dividend, not a buying spree.

The trap is set from so many angles. I hope he can see it and not step into it. If capital is needed, do an IPO. Why do you need CMCS.A approval? Malon knows this game, but Denny Berma is a tool.
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JimK, 13 Oct 2009 @ 9:37am

Fonts are Software
One thing that it would be really good to remember is that fonts are indeed software. This case is being brought because the appropriate licenses weren't purchased.

If you purchased one copy of Microsoft Office, would you expect to be able to install it on ALL of the computers in your office? Of course not.

Just because font software isn't typically shackled with restrictive serial numbers and other piracy prevention measures does not mean that people can copy fonts from machine to machine at will.

Quality fonts take a lot of time and effort to develop, and the people should respect that.
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Overcast (profile), 13 Oct 2009 @ 4:26pm

lol, Poetic Justice.
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HL, 14 Oct 2009 @ 4:07pm

Re: A font isn't a letter
Dear Ima Fish,

A FONT is not equal to a letter. When someone creates a font, he or she is, in essence, creating a work of art, to stylize a particular alphabet, numbers, and symbols. Yes, a font is copyrightable. In olden days, a font would be created by actually carving blocks of wood or casting bits of metal. Today, it's done through computer programs. So, what's your problem? If a person can hold a copyright for painting a picture or writing a computer program, then why not for a font?
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Dave Nalle, 17 Oct 2009 @ 10:33pm

Irony
Ironically, my font designs have been banned from use at NBC by those same stickler lawyers because my sister is an NBC employee and they think it would be a conflict of interest.

But perhaps this means I should sue Starbucks which recently used my Buccaneer font without properly licensing it (see story here: http://www.fontcraft.com/fontcraft/?p=1474

What I find problematic with this suit is the amount of the damages. I don't see how they can sue for much more than the cost of the unpaid licenses plus some reasonable penalty, because the prominent use of the font actually benefits the foundry by raising public awareness of the font and effectively acting like free advertising.

Dave
http://www.fontcraft.com
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Nov 2009 @ 10:52am

Most of the people commenting are complete idiots. Designing a font takes a long long time and a ton of planning and revisions. This is the same as acquiring permissions to use a photograph or some customized programming code to assist in software development. $2 mil is getting off really easy. These ads created with these fonts generated millions in ad revenue and tons of viewers to attract new sponsors. $2 mil is nothing for NBC.
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Cassstephhere (profile), 19 Mar 2010 @ 8:38pm

Fonts and copyright
I posted this elsewhere:

First, I'd like to add that trademark and copyright are not the same thing.

In North America fonts are not protected by copyright (they are in the UK). The only protection they can have is the trademark registration or possibly patent and copyright protection of the software itself (the actual instructions that tell a scalable font what to do, not the glyphs or letterforms themselves), but since most font designers use existing software, that's rarely an option.

The only exception might be if the glyphs are particularly ornate or unique.

These things are not protected: Titles, names, short phrases, and slogans; familiar symbols or designs; mere variations of typographic ornamentation,
lettering, or coloring; mere listings of ingredients
or contents..."

You can find this on page 3 of the PDF download of the copyright site: copyright.gov/circs/circ1.pdf

Read Eltra Corp. v. Ringer:

opengavel.com/opinions/1978/F/004/1978-F004-06140001.html

“The Committee does not regard the design of typeface, as thus defined, to be a copyrightable pictorial, graphic or sculptural work within the meaning of this bill and the application of the dividing line in seciton 101.”

Please also read Adobe System v. Southern Software, which did change things somewhat from the Eltra Corp. Case:

lw.bna.com/lw/19980303/9520710.htm

(you'll have to add the prefixes for the sites, this system won't allow it).
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