Nintendo Shuts Down Fan-Made Zelda Movie
from the that's-not-connecting-with-fans dept
techflaws.org was the first of a few to point out that Nintendo, for some bizarre reason, decided to completely shut down a fan made film based on the immensely popular classic video game The Legend of Zelda. Apparently the fan-made film took a few years to produce, but once it was done, it was released and even shown in a few theaters before Nintendo flipped out and broke out the lawyers. The moviemakers caved and as a "concession" the movie was allowed to be shown online but only through the end of last year.I'm at a loss to see how this makes any sense for Nintendo at all. Here were a bunch of fans who were helping to promote Nintendo games for free, by putting a ton of work and effort into it. And Nintendo's response is to shut them down? In what world does it make sense to stomp out your fans putting in so much time and effort to help promote your work?
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In what world?
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Here's hoping they get a lot more bad press for this move.
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You can't expect to take a company's intellectual property, make a movie around it then cash in on it in theaters. I really can't blame Nintendo for stopping it once it hit theaters.
Now as for stopping its free distribution online, that's halfway dumb unless of course, they're making boatloads of cash off of it somehow.
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Damnit!
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I think this is where the IP/entitlement culture has gone wrong. With the assumption that anyone else who profits from your idea should be stopped even when they are not competing with you directly. People need to remember that more then one party can benefit from this kind of thing.
You could argue that this fan film is somehow devaluing the brand but I think that would be spurious. The Zelda games are just the kind which could thrive off an active fan base (and to some extent already do).
What Nintendo should have done is made a big fanfare about their great fans who have gone to all this effort, perhaps hold a private screening for Nintendo execs. Making a noise like that publicly would make people sit up and pay attention. Sheesh even George Lucas understands that which is why he doesn't stomp all over Star Wars fan films.
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Nothing was taken from Nintendo. They still have all their IP.
"I really can't blame Nintendo for stopping it once it hit theaters."
But what would Nintendo have "lost" if they left the film alone? Like Mike said earlier, "a bunch of fans who were helping to promote Nintendo games for free"
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Lawyers and legal advice
Lawyers are funny that way.
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Thank you for asking the key question: What in the world has Nintendo GAINED from going this route. This is what I'm not getting.
Is it a trademark issue, where we can expect a chorus explaining to us that if you don't slap down every instance of possible infringement then you face the scary proposition of losing your mark? Nevermind the fact that they could have licensed it for a dollar and enjoyed the exposure....
Is it a copyright issue, where somewhere, somehow, there is a Legend of Zelda commercial film in the works, and this could be seen as getting in the way, or producing a story outside of the "canon"?
If you're Nintendo, what is the end goal here (assuming they just weren't misled by lawyers collecting on billable hours)?
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Btw, I remember seeing a trailer for a Zelda movie about a year or two ago. What I saw didn't look that great but I was intrigued and wanted to see it for nostalgic reasons. Could that trailer have been for this movie being discussed? Honestly, I just assumed it was an official movie being put out there by Nintendo.
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It's because they _must_
Even considering that, wouldn't it have been smarter for everybody for nintendo to "officially license" them at a low cost and just take a cut of any profits?
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Obvious answer
a) Selling the movie rights for the Zelda story/characters
b) Making their own Zelda movie
It really doesn't matter, just the possibility that someday they might wish to sell the movie rights for Zelda is enough for them to want to squish this. I know that they could do both, but would you want a crappy looking Zelda movie out there that people would possibly find when searching for your high budget fantasy flick? I doubt it would matter, but this is the kind of stuff the decision makers of these companies have to think about (or else the stockholders get angry).
Other Thoughts:
Legend of Zelda could actually be a really cool movie, it has a pretty basic storyline that could be expanded easily by a good writer and since we already know the characters a lot of back story wouldn't be necessary.
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Please someone say that they have a copy?
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If they intend to sell the movie rights, an independent movie that manages to get a following is much more likely to make the IP more valuable if you intend to sell the rights to it. It would also provide a fan base and some marketing. Even if the movie was terrible, you can always point to the fact that it was unofficial an unlicensed but still keep the fans that liked it.
If they intend to make their own movie, they just got a bunch of free market research and an idea of what works for the fans and what does not. It actually surprises me that movie studios don't put out low-budget versions of movies themselves before investing in high-budget films.
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My Own Movie
A lousy movie that they approved. Perhaps they remember that and went, no way can we allow another movie.
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Great job, Nintendo.
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Win-win-win situation. Free exposure for the Zelda franchise for Nintendo, and they don't lose their trademark and the movie-makers are free of litigation problems.
Now, it's a lose-lose-lose situation. Nintendo has lost potential new revenue, has lost fan-interest (because I'm now far less inclined to buy anything labeled Nintendo, and I used to be a fan), and the movie makers have lost their hard work.
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Because it is simply really awful, it's fun for nostalgic value maybe, but I cringed at every shot.
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What Nintendo should have done is figure out a way to use it to their overall good. Let the filmmakers put it in theatres and Nintendo would own the online rights. For no cost they would have content that would draw more people to their site. Maybe make it a weekly serial. Convert it into 8 bit and make it part of their new dsi network, where you can download it to the ds and watch it.
They could have just bought the durn thang and probably would have gotten it for beer and peanuts since the maker was such a fan boy.
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As far as I know, they are not nor will they make a Zelda movie. This is the closest thing and it was an April Fools joke (all be it a good one). Shortly after that joke is when I heard the will not be making a Zelda movie.
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Excellent idea!
Real smart!
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It's a no brainer here. The people making the movie should have asked, they might have actually gotten support.
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Nintendo licensed someone else to make the movie, and the fan movie was worse: The fan movie is quickly overshadowed by the official one, no one watches the fan one, no harm done.
Nintendo licensed someone else to make the movie, and the fan movie was better: Nintendo has the chance to endorse the fan movie, gaining goodwill. Further, the fan flick becomes an internet phenomenon, driving more sales to the games. No one watches or remembers the official movie, a la Mario Brothers.
Nintendo did not license the movie, the fan movie sucks: People, in talking about how shitty the movie was, become nostalgic about the old games and purchase them on the Wii.
Nintendo did not license the movie, the fan movie is good: Do I need to explain the benefits of this?
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Heck, a poorly made movie could negatively impact the public's perception of the game entirely.
This is a complete untruth. The Mortal Combat movie sucked beyond all reason but I can promise you that no one ever thought that meant the *game* also sucked. It doesn't work that way. Did you suddenly stop liking Taco Bell because of Demolition Man? Of course not.
People around here seem to think you are useful because you bring up good points, Harold, but I have yet to see it. As someone commented yesterday, feel free to skip a few of Mike's posts if you have a weaker than usual argument against it, it will save you some face and us some nose bleeds.
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How about the 1978 version of The Lord of the Rings. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ohw78b1TTFY Let me tell you, back in the day when it looked like that was the best we were gonna get I was even annoyed that they never made the second part. After seeing the Peter Jackson "Fellowship of the Ring" I borrowed the videotape from the library and watched it with my family. Later when the library was selling off the video at a book sale, $1.00 was too high a price for such a piece of crap.
Somehow I don't think it hurt Peter Jackson's version any.
I am not even a Zelda fan, but I am a movie fan. Checking out the YouTube trailer linked above by by Solohan50 I was surprised that it didn't look half bad. Particularly as a piece of fan fiction, it looks bloody impressive. The trailer was nicely cut, and well paced. Even the acting looked good. I might have actually gone to the theatre to see the thing.
Nintendo has behaved foolishly. They should have fallen on their knees in thanksgiving. It was a massive undertaking. Promotion like this cannot be bought.
Shutting it down makes Nintendo look pretty petty.
I know that the old adage "the customer was always right" has been discarded, but still I can't imagine where these companies can possibly come up with executives stupid enough to think alienating the customers is a good thing. From where I sit, I'll not be buying games for the kids from them again.
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Can someone please clarify?
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Yes it left a lot to be desired - but it made me go read the books....
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Cool
Thanks for the free advertisement Nintendo.
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Yes.
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3DRealms did something similar to a mod group who were making recreations of Dukematch maps for Quake 3 several years ago. Brousard and Miller came out with the "we must protect it or lose it" mantra (I'll let the final irony speak for itself)
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Stupid on every level
3. Nintendo's attempt to "suppress" the thing was abysmally dumb. Anybody heard "The Grey Album?" People don't even *need* to do a co-ordinated effort like "Grey Tuesday" to stop something from vanishing down the memory hole. The only thing Nintendo managed to do was make themselves look like assholes, and basically treat their fans like garbage.
The *right* approach (or something closer to it), is how Paramount deals with Star Trek fanfilms. They don't try to suppress them or have them taken down (primarily because they know that doing so won't -- and can't -- actually work.)
Instead, they "permit" such fan films (proliferation of which they couldn't really stop if they tried) specifically because doing so makes them appear "magnanimous" and fan-friendly.
Nintendo shot itself in the ass on this one: whether they were attempting to "protect their IP" or whatever, they juust succeeded in recapitulating "Grey Tuesday" all over again.
Good going, Nintendo! :)
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legend of zelda movie
sincerely
Samantha Glenn
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Proper Reasons
Try and prove me wrong.
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No, what happens is the film spreads everywhere, as the Grey Album proved, it doesn't necessarily have to be good, just different and exciting due to being suppressed. The Streisand effect, do you know it?
Right now I know of at least three places where it can be found and downloaded in less than an hour or so. Nintendo stopped nothing, gained nothing, and lost that precious commodity called goodwill, while actually spending money on lawyers to go after this thing. It becomes a net loss.
Forgive me if I missed something but aren't they in business to make money, not to fritter it away on tilting at windmills?
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Terrible
Yeah, they might have gotten some publicity for the Zelda franchise. Though, if they ignored it and the movie got a lot of negative feedback that would fall back on Nintendo, not the amateur film makers. Bad publicity for a movie they had nothing to do with... Yeah, that's not a good thing for one of the companies biggest sellers.
The Zelda series, whether you're a fan or not, has been very popular over the years. If I owned rights to Zelda I would want to make sure that if the story was to be told in the form of a movie it would be well made.
There are various Zelda games with many story lines that could be turned into a movie franchise and possibly even rival something like the Lord of the Rings trilogy.
As a person that saw the movie, I wish Nintendo had pulled the plug, as I believe it was a bad representation. Even though it's no longer supposed to
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Trailer for their Fan Movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XPTpjK88apc&feature=related
I watched this movie when it became available online at Daily Motion, but I wasn't aware of the controversy at the time. I was thrilled when they finally put it online and I wondered why they waited so long to put it up.
Honestly I think the directors were stupid to put it in theaters. Seriously, WHY not just put it online??? This almost makes me think they WERE trying to make a little profit which is just BEGGING to get sued! Not that they didn't deserve a little reward for their effort.
All in all, the movie was a mixed bag. As super low budget fan film it had some modestly impressive effects, the acting was horrendous, the music was BEAUTIFUL and really carried the experience!
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bull shit nintendo
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Not to sound stupid or anything i kinda waited for my whole life for this movie to show up lol
and i had everyone tellin me it was a hokes because the trailers came out April 1.
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I think i know why
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opinion
i have to say that it showed to much
and link looked way to old for the part
if anything it looked like it was following the ocarina of time, time line way to much.
most likely it would have to be broken down into parts
or every movie having to do with a specific temple for money value
because everyone loves Zelda.
but now a movie it would just have to blow everyone's expectations for certain and none of that cheep dragon ball z crap we saw in the remake, oh god that was horrible..
please Nintendo don't fail us!
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It's pretty obvious...
It's partly about the money, yes. And many people said "why not just support it and get a cut?" here's the deal, the movie wasn't very good at all. Impressive work for a fan-made; but it wasn't that good.
If this movie had been released and became known to the general viewing public, it could spell bad for Nintendo. One; because most people wouldn't bother to realize it was a fan-made movie. they'd figure Nintendo was producing it. It would give Nintendo a bad film rep.
Second, if Nintendo has ever thought about making a real movie, they cant allow a lesser-quality fan-based movie go through? Why? Because you dont release a movie based around the same thing twice in the same decade. It confuses the watchers and is just all around a bad idea. Take it as... film-making unwritten laws.
It's like how no one will be remaking the first Twilight movie, even though it sucked. If there is a remake, it wont be for many years to come. Thats how it works in the film business. I remember two movies (I think it was the Incredible Hulk) coming out within a year or two of each other. I thought to myself "Didn't they already do this?" and immediately dismissed any thoughts of seeing the new version.
Let's just face it. Nintendo did what they had to; whether we like it or not.
Taking it offline is a different matter; but probably only a consequence of the lawyers getting every droop of blood they could.
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if the fan movie stinks, then they wouldn't step in because it's obvious that a fan made it.
the creators of this movie should be flattered though, because nintendo obviously thought that it was good enough to cause confusion to the 16 people out there who never heard of zelda, and make them think that this movie is somehow related to the franchise. could you blame nintendo for not wanting those confused people to think the best nintendo could afford was a Syfy channel made-for-tv movie? there are a billions of people out there folks, just cause you know what's up, don't mean everyone does.
and if the movie was outright awesome(great cast, acting, costumes, effects, etc), should nintendo yank it? thats a whole nother issue, but consider the following.
think of it in terms of comic strips. how would the creator of batman like it if stan lee decided he was a fan of batman, and he was just going to make fan comics of batman on the side. or maybe george lucas just decided to make a handful of short episodes of the X-men, you know just for youtube. heck, pros can be fans too. if the ip owner feel that it affects their profit, they're gonna do something.
the last thing they want to see is a review on amazon that says" yeah, fox's Spiderman 5 was a let down, but does anyone know when darthspiderfan1944 is going to release his episode 47 ? i can't wait to find out who really killed mary jane. that asian chick that plays her is so hot, much better than that bagger kirsten dunst."
and then you go on youtube to watch episode 47 right after a 30 second commercial for state farm.
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if the fan movie stinks, then they wouldn't step in because it's obvious that a fan made it.
the creators of this movie should be flattered though, because nintendo obviously thought that it was good enough to cause confusion to the 16 people out there who never heard of zelda, and make them think that this movie is somehow related to the franchise. could you blame nintendo for not wanting those confused people to think the best nintendo could afford was a Syfy channel made-for-tv movie? there are a billions of people out there folks, just cause you know what's up, don't mean everyone does.
and if the movie was outright awesome(great cast, acting, costumes, effects, etc), should nintendo yank it? thats a whole nother issue, but consider the following.
think of it in terms of comic strips. how would the creator of batman like it if stan lee decided he was a fan of batman, and he was just going to make fan comics of batman on the side. or maybe george lucas just decided to make a handful of short episodes of the X-men, you know just for youtube. heck, pros can be fans too. if the ip owner feel that it affects their profit, they're gonna do something.
the last thing they want to see is a review on amazon that says" yeah, fox's Spiderman 5 was a let down, but does anyone know when darthspiderfan1944 is going to release his episode 47 ? i can't wait to find out who really killed mary jane. that asian chick that plays her is so hot, much better than that bagger kirsten dunst."
and then you go on youtube to watch episode 47 right after a 30 second commercial for state farm.
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@Adam Wasserman - Post #9
It would figure that the bureaucrats who call themselves "Lawyers" would "Advise" Nintendo to do all of what you posted, I hate our legal system for stupid crap like this!!! CAN I SHOOT THEM YET?!?!?!?! >X
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@Adam Wasserman - Post #9
It would figure that the bureaucrats who call themselves "Lawyers" would "Advise" Nintendo to do all of what you posted, I hate our legal system for stupid crap like this!!! CAN I SHOOT THEM YET?!?!?!?! >X
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Nintendo Is right
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not very smart
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zelda movie
THE LOST ZELDA MOVIE!!!!!
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Zelda Movie
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I question their motives as well
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I think it's 'cause it was a movie...
The fact that they allowed it for a short time shows that they appreciate fans, but they probably didn't want to change their image of Link in the eyes of the general populace.
("Well excuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuse me, princess!")
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Really...
Dumbass behavior like this (piracy) is why film studios and game companies have to spend more money to protect their I.P. and earn less because of pirated sales. Who suffers the consumer, the employees. Instead of copying someone else, come up with something new and we may produce it.
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'The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time' (all new live action/puppet animated/cgi movie)
1. Bailee Madison as Young Zelda
2. Ellis Hollins as Young Link
3. Dakota Fanning as Saria
4. Halle Berry as Impa
5. Dwayne Johnson as Ganondorf
6. Hugo Weaving as the Hyrule Castle Gate Guard
7. Orlando Bloom as the Death Mountain Gate Guard
8. Jennifer Aniston as the Great Fairy of Magic
9. Courteney Cox as the Great Fairy of Power
10. Cameron Diaz as the Great Fairy of Courage
11. Gwyneth Paltrow as the Great Fairy of Wisdom
12. Keira Knightley as the 1st Gerudo Captain at the Haunted Wasteland gate
13. Timothy Spall as Dampè
14. John Rhys Davies as Talon
15. Morgan Lily as Young Malon
16. Gary Oldman as Ingo
17. Bonnie Wright as Malon
18. Michael Gambon as Rauru
19. Drew Barrymore as Nabooru
20. Tom Cruise as the Flying Carpet Salesman who sells the Bombchus
21. Roger Moore as the Pond Owner at the Fishing Pond in Lake Hylia
22. Amy Adams as Anju, the Cucco woman in Kakariko Village
23. Viggo Mortensen as Shiro, the 1st carpenter rescued from Gerudo's Fortess
24. Kenneth Branaugh as Jiro, the 2nd carpenter rescued from Gerudo's Fortress
25. Alec Baldwin as Ichiro, the 3rd carptenter rescued from Gerudo's Fortress
26. Jack Black as Sabooru, the 4th and final carpenter rescued from Gerudo's Fortress
27. Emma Watson as the 2nd Gerudo Captain at the Gerudo Training Grounds gate
28. Raven Goodwin, Hillary Duff, Ashanti and Rashida Jones as the Gerudo Guards
29. Ian Holm as the Kokiri Shop Owner
30. David Wenham, Alan Rickman, Jim Broadbent and David Bradley as the Castle Guards
31. Liv Tyler as Zelda/Sheik
32. Elijah Wood as Link
33. Mark Williams as the Happy Mask Salesman at the Happy Mask Shop
34. Noah Munck as Mido
35. Bernard Hill as Mutoh, the boss of the carpenters
36. Howie Mandel as Guru-Guru, the Windmill Hut Man in Kakariko Village
37. Julia Walters as Mamamu Yan, Richard’s owner in Hyrule Market and Kakariko Village
38. Andy Serkis as Grog, Anju’s brother and Mutoh’s son in Kakariko Village and the Lost Woods
39. Elle Fanning as Fado, in Kokiri Forest and the Lost Woods
40. Zachary Gordon as the Kokiri Shop Owner
41. Gerard Butler as the Bazaar Shop Owner in Hyrule Market and Kakariko Village
42. Simon Helberg as the Potion Shop Owner in Hyrule Market and Kakariko Village
===Puppet Animated CGI Voice Cast Members===
1. Jessie Cave as Navi (voice)
2. Christopher Lee as the Great Deku Tree (voice)
3. Carol Burnett as Queen Ghoma (voice)
4. Ralph Fiennes as King Dodongo (voice)
5. Sean Bean as Barinade (voice)
6. Dennis Leary as Phantom Ganon (voice)
7. Kevin Spacey as Volvagia (voice)
8. Johnny Depp as Morpha (voice)
9. Maggie Smith as Koume (voice)
10. Angela Lansbury as Kotake (voice)
11. Nick Nolte as Bongo-Bongo (voice)
12. John Cleese as King Zora (voice)
13. Madison Pettis as Young Ruto (voice)
14. Simon McBurney as the Zora at the diving game (voice)
15. Evanna Lynch as Ruto (voice)
16. Mark Hamil as Dark Link (voice)
17. Mr. T as Biggoron (voice)
18. Eddie Murphy as Medigoron (voice)
19. Rico Rodriguez as the Skull Kid (voice)
20. Tara Charendoff as Beth (voice)
21. Candi Milo as Joelle (voice)
22. Nancy Cartwright as Amy (voice)
23. Susan Sarandon as Meg (voice)
24. James Earl Jones as Ganon, the Iron Knuckles and a few other enemy characters (voices)
25. Jeffrey Tambour as Darunia (voice)
26. Nathan Lane as Link-Goron (voice)
27. Craig Ferguson as Kaepora Gaebora, the owl advisor (voice)
28. Tom Kane, Maurice LaMarche, Rob Paulsen and Dan Castellaneta as the Gorons (voices)
29. Tom Kenny, Jim Cummings, Rodger Bumpass and Jess Harnell as the Zoras (voices)
30. Frank Welker, Quinton Flynn and Roger Craig Smith as the Deku Scrubs (voices)
31. Alan Arkin as Flat, the 1st Composer Brother Poe in Kakariko Graveyard (voice)
32. Zach Galifianakis as Sharp, the 2nd Composer Brother Poe in Kakariko Graveyard (voice)
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