Time For 'Israelification' Of U.S. Airports?
from the security-or-security-theater dept
theodp writes "A few days ago, the Toronto Star reported that security experts point to 'Israelification' as a possible cure for what ails North America's security-paralyzed airports. That is, how can we make our airports more like Israel's, which deal with far greater terror threat with far less inconvenience. 'It is mindboggling for us Israelis to look at what happens in North America, because we went through this 50 years ago,' said Rafi Sela, president of a transportation security consultancy. Unless a more sensible approach to security is adopted, Sela warned that North American airports could be crippled by needless airport evacuations. As if to prove his point, Newark Liberty International Airport -- which is planning to unleash $160,000 high-tech full-body scanners on travelers to improve security -- had to be evacuated Sunday night and flights were grounded after a man walked the wrong way through a screening checkpoint exit to enter the secured side of a terminal. Looks like we may owe Mr. Sela an I-told-you-so on this one."I had seen the Toronto Star article when it came out, and it's definitely worth reading. It does appear that the Israelis are a lot more focused on security that works, rather than security theater -- though I don't think any security system is foolproof. I do think that there's a lot to what Sela says at the end of the article as to why the TSA hasn't followed Israel's lead:
"We have a saying in Hebrew that it's much easier to look for a lost key under the light, than to look for the key where you actually lost it, because it's dark over there. That's exactly how (North American airport security officials) act," Sela said. "You can easily do what we do. You don't have to replace anything. You have to add just a little bit -- technology, training. But you have to completely change the way you go about doing airport security. And that is something that the bureaucrats have a problem with. They are very well enclosed in their own concept."As for the question on "full body scans," while not mentioned in the article, it's worth noting that Israeli airport security apparently doesn't use such machines either. I saw an interview recently with an Israeli security expert, who said that using such machines (the ones that allow screeners to effectively see travelers naked) would create a much bigger mess, as traditional and religious men would become incredibly offended at screeners seeing their wives naked.
The key difference in the two systems is that the US (and most others) seem intent on scanning what you're bringing on the plane. The Israelis are a lot more interested in who you are and how you act.
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my thoughts exactly, Mike
It's also of note that you don't have to take your shoes off or anything ridiculous, and that they have armed guards that actually know how to use the weapons they have (as most are military). Oh, and they don't have bad lines. I think I spent 10mins through getting the passport stamped and that was it.
Where do they even make up the screening stuff, too? When they check your luggage for further inspection is at a counter with you present, so that they can ask questions if necessary.
The whole article is full of false information.
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That will be "solved" by having gender segregated security. With female only staffers on the women's and men only on the men's.
Though it does remind of an aiport I once travelled through which had such segregating at the metal detector. They were so fed up with the women's one going off due to jewellry that they'd unplugged it.
I would add though that the "traditional men" will likely use their wives as the excuse but really are just terrified of having their own unmentionables oggled by the poor screener.
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Thank you Ima Fish.
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Perfect! If all the female staffers are sick that day--no women will board the plane. :P
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Re: my thoughts exactly, Mike
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DRM
This type of if-it-is-a-hassle-then-it-must-be-working thinking rears its head anytime the solution to a problem is of the knee jerk variety. We, the public in general, are partly to blame; If our leaders said that they needed a few weeks to decide how best to handle the situation, the public would jump down their collective throats demanding immediate action. Hence, body-scanners, no standing the last hour of flights and nothing in your lap for that last hour, as well. (Terrorist time-out?)
I dread the day a terrorist decides the best place to hide an IED is in his butt.
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Different situation
That sounds good in theory. The difference is that, in Israel, terrorism is a lot more focused. That is, they really only have a few specific groups to screen for because they know where terrorism is going to come from. In the US, that is not true at all. People forget that, prior to 9/11, the largest terrorist act in our country was perpetrated by a white, middle-aged, ex-military male American citizen with a spotless criminal and military record. He was, by most external, objective standards, a "model" citizen. Scanning for "who you are and how you act" would have done nothing to stop Timothy McVeigh had he chosen to use a plane instead of a Ryder truck.
Likewise, the latest attempted bomber was not Middle-Eastern, but Nigerian, not exactly our top expectation. Sure, he was Taliban, but how would airport security know that ahead of time? The fact is, the Israeli approach is subjective, and it works because they can screen for a pretty limited profile. In the US, we have to be a bit more objective, both for constitutional reasons, and because, frankly, there are a lot more people who dislike us, even occasionally our own citizens.
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back to basics
Thusly, I am expecting those with the ability to follow said lead!
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Israelification
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Sounds like a perfect job for Cher's daugh--er....son---wait....thing? He/She could check EVERYONE....or is it no one?
Stupid Cher thing, fucking up airport security....
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The Nigerian was on a terrorist watch list, was he not? The only bigger red flag would be if he was holding a over-sized cartoon bomb with the fuse lit. Being on such a list should warrant a more extensive search, I'd think. As it is now, we all might as well be on a terrorist watch list, since we're *all* going to get extensive screening.
Also, for perspective: Terrorism is less deadly than salmonella and the true odds of airborne terroism.
The true goal of terrorism is not to kill, it's to cause fear and thus negatively impact our quality of life.
Mission Accomplished.
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ID-based Security
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This doesn't happen in Israel. They also don't use Bomb Boxes, they have a chemical scanner built into the counter you walk up to and place your bag on (if they choose to scrutinize you). That's what they do for the first part.
My bags have been examined, and they are mega-full with stuff on my return trips, and you basically stand there while they inspect the bags with you and/or have you open your bag for them.
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Further, Israelis require extensive background information on every flier, which is also retained, cross referenced, and checked over and over again.
Americans would never want to give up their freedom, would never be willing to accept the concepts.
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Its easy when you have 2 sides
Israeli security does not fare as well when its local home grown terrorists, like the one that literally walked up to their PM and gunned him down.
Also America is too diverse and has too many people to have that level of profiling and control effective.
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Absolutely.
"The Nigerian was on a terrorist watch list, was he not?"
Perhaps so. I have not done a lot of research on the Nigerian bomber. My point, however, is that he was Nigerian, which does not fit the type of profile that so many tried to defend when "racial profiling" charges were made.
"McVeigh would have had a hell of a time getting a truck-load of manure on a plane, I'll wager. :)"
Clearly, McVeigh could not have used the same type of bomb, but crashing a plane into the building instead of using the truck bomb would have had a similar effect. The point is, he was on NO ONE's watch list, and we really don't know where the next terrorist attack on America will come from.
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BTW, this whole thing is overblown. No matter what kind of security is used it is always possible to kill some people.
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It is why some people have suggested that this bomber chickened out or was poorly trained, because this size device at low altitude likely would not have taken the plane out. Had the device functioned properly with the plane at high altitude over the ocean, it could have been 100% fatal.
The true goal of terrorism is for a very small minority to hold the majority hostage. It's the schoolyard bully taken to the Nth degree.
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You sound like my dad. However, it is noteworthy that it's not very difficult to have a bunch of guns pointed at you in Israel. As someone already noted, in Israel they use profiling and such and it doesn't take much to get them to point a bunch of guns at you. I know people who have had that experience over there.
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You've been watching too many Bond movies.
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I am not scared of the terrorist, fuck the terrorist, who i am scared of is the TSA agent with a chip on his shoulder and a bit of a power problem
I am glad that i have no where to go cause i wont fly planes. I am not some cattle you can move around and herd into the plane
You want to know why the terrorist are going to win? cause we are stupid enough to let them, If these little scare tatics they use didnt work, they wouldnt do it. But no, the media cant keep there eye off the dollar and will play or talk or discuss about how endangered we all are for days, years, months, decades, as long as we are staring at that tv pissing ourselves.
Let me tell you something America, Yellow stone could go off tomorrow and we would all be fucked, plane or no plane. A meteor could slam into the earth and wipe out 90% or more of the earth population and it could happen in the next hour. It doesn't matter if you die by Yellowstone, by a meteor, by a terrorist or by any of the endless random unlikely possibility that you will die.
I think you got a better chance of dying from yellow stone or a meteor then you do of a fucking stupid terrorist. I am really getting tired, so very very tired of the stupidity terrorism causes, its like bush got on the TV and replaced everyone IQ with his own.
wake the fuck up, your not going to die from a terrorist, probably die from something allot worse, cancer for example, you'll probably die a slow ugly horrible death from cancer all the while your family changes your shit diaper, personally, ill take the plane blowing up.
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The Israeli system works because of heavy surveillance...
When she went to leave, she was stopped and questioned at the airport about why she had not spent one night in here hotel. She had actually spent the night at an old college roommate's house, who they then called to verify. The questioning continued and it was very obvious that she had been followed the whole time she was there. BTW, she is Dutch, lives in the US and was working for Accenture at the time.
Luckily for my wife, her old roommate was an investigative reporter for one of the TV networks and showed up 20 min later with a full crew asking awkward questions about why my wife was being detained. Which was probably a good thing as they were busy tearing apart her luggage and it was increasingly looking like she was going to spend more time in Israel as a guest of the state....
Bottom line, it's not airport security that's effective in Israel, it's the heavy internal surveillance. As to whether Americans would tolerate this level of surveillance, I'll leave that as an exercise for the reader.
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rapid decompression of an airplane has all sorts of implications. Consider what happened to the Aloha Airways plane (one of the best examples), where a flight attendant was sucked out of the plane. Thankfully, the vast majority of passengers were belted in. It is also incredibly lucky that the plane did not snap in two.
It isn't just the decompression by itself, but also the incease of drag in the area of the hole, which can lead to progressive failure of the airframe, peeling panels off as the mounting rivets fail. There is also the potential for damage to control systems, as parts coming off my damage the aircraft.
Aircraft are perfect targets, because even in an emergency, the time to landing is long enough that the secondary effects of damage can come along and cause many more problems than just the initial blast.
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Scaleability
OK, just checked, looks like 5 airports in Israel (all international?) compared to 111 US airports (that handle 450k+ passengers per year). I dunno, I would hate to be the person in charge of organizing that.
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Of what? Not an explosion. Bad epoxy, last I heard.
Regardless, the effects of 'explosive' decompression are popularly overblown. You're correct that the increase in drag, et al., are the real problem. The unfortunate attendant was either tossed or blown out, not sucked.
Still, as the safe (given the circumstances) landing shows, it's pretty hard to bring down a plane even with such a catastrophic failure (fly-by-wire planes are another discussion.)
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If you read the article you would see that is not true at all. They do not racially profile, they do behavioral profiling.
People forget that, prior to 9/11, the largest terrorist act in our country was perpetrated by a white, middle-aged, ex-military male American citizen with a spotless criminal and military record. He was, by most external, objective standards, a "model" citizen. Scanning for "who you are and how you act" would have done nothing to stop Timothy McVeigh had he chosen to use a plane instead of a Ryder truck.
You assume -- almost certainly incorrectly -- that McVeigh would not have given off behavioral clues as to what he was about to do. The whole basis of the Israeli system is the behavioral clues. It is not about what a person *looks* like, but how they act.
Sure, he was Taliban, but how would airport security know that ahead of time?
Again, based on his behavior.
The fact is, the Israeli approach is subjective, and it works because they can screen for a pretty limited profile.
Again, this is simply incorrect.
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Link please, I'd be interested to read that.
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He was but not on the no fly list (ask the US intelligence services why not, your mother is probably on the list but someone reported by his own family is not?), not that it would have not done much good because what TSA and most authorities like to overlook is the simple fact that he bypassed not only most security checks but also basic passport control.
He was a transfer passenger from Nigeria flying via Amsterdam. Nigeria is not exactly known for it's security and little to no checks were done in Amsterdam.
He managed to get on the plane with a bomb because of poor intelligence, the one thing most intelligence experts (and Israel demonstrates) is the best defence against terrorists you can have.
1000 times more valuable than 101 baggage checks or the most expensive security systems money can buy
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No. Only those as set forth in the Bill of Rights, at least when we are on American soil. I've given up trying to comprehend European notions on freedom and civil rights.
"Americans would never want to give up their freedom..."
I'm always amazed when I read comments like this from Non-Americans. As though we really have no business ensuring those rights, silly Americans.
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So does the USA.
For Americans that is pretty transparent, as the government can access that information easily. But it is very obvious to foreign travelers and they keep on asking for more
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http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23714853/
If you think that they are complaining, imagine what your average American with an overblown sense of entitlement would sound like complaining about this.
They use very agressive techniques, and some of those techniques include racial profiling. The issues are strong enough that many arabs choose not to fly through Israel, to avoid any potential issues.
Walks like a duck, quacks like a duck.
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Interesting
good article.. why not a combined approach?
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Yep
Let me put it this way. In the old west the problem of lawlessness was solved with a gun. At first it was only a gun. After that, the law came in and decent people were not victims of crime nearly so often. In today's America, we are just not willing to do step 1.
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Blowing Up Laptops
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Obligatory xkcd reference...
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Traitors
No, we are not scared of little guys or even terrorists. We are scared of the massive knee-jerk over-reaction by our leaders and unamerican traitors like you who would trade out hard-won freedoms for the illusion of your version of "security."
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Israelis are experienced but their situation is different
There is a recent post by Michael Toten on the subject on the Commentary blog. He says the Israelis look for people while the Americans look for things like a bomb.
But we must remember that Israel has only one international airport and not much traffic between domestic ones. The USA are a different story.
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Just out of curiousity, which race or ethnicity do YOU think looks the funniest? Me? Samoans.
Just looking at their ginormous hairless calves cracks me up...
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that's easy. add a gay line (with gay screeners), a lesbian line (lesbian screeners) and a child line (staffed by children).
you also need a christian line, a jewish line, a muslim line, an athiest line, a fat line, a disabled line...
clearly this will eliminate long security lines and if you require every US citizen to fly once a year, you can eliminate the census bureau as well. it will be a victory for small government.
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Not Practical
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Hardened Cockpit Doors
Hardened cockpit doors, pilots that understand that they may need to let themselves & their passengers be killed to save thousands, and passengers that know that it will be up to them alone to stop the terrorist, and the real terrorist threat is extinguished.
A few hundred people killed on a plane blown-up over the Atlantic? No biggie. 2x that number die in car accidents each week just in the U.S...
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Why Explosives Detectors Are A Complete Waste of Time
In order for detection to work, it has to work 100%. It only takes one to get through, and The Terrorists Win.
And if the security forces fail their own detection test, how hard would it be for the terrorists?
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TSA screening
Perhaps the article should end with the sage comment; "regardless of what people say, oranges are really apples!"
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Study on Airport Safety
More in depth results can be seen at: http://www.mediacurves.com/NationalMediaFocus/J7692-AiplaneTravelSafety/Index.cfm
Thanks,
Ben
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Good read.
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