Can The Government Use The Term 'Music Piracy' In A Criminal Copyright Trial?
from the apparently dept
Via Michael Scott, we learn that there was recently a debate over whether or not the government could use the phrase "music piracy" to describe the actions of an individual who had been charged with criminal copyright infringement. The case involved Adil Cassim, who had been arrested last year and charged with running a "release group," which are the private networks of people online who work hard to get unauthorized copyrighted materials (music, movies, etc.) distributed as quickly as possible. While Cassim was apparently acquitted by the jury (so far, I can't find any more info on what happened... Update: TorrentFreak has some details), there was a discussion over how the gov't could refer to his actions. His lawyer argued that "music piracy" is a prejudicial term, not related to the issues in the lawsuit, and that the gov't should not be allowed to use that term in front of the jury. The judge denied this:Defendants seeks to exclude any use of the terms "music piracy" from the jury. They argue that this term is not evidentiary, has no probative value, and is highly inflammatory such that it will create undue prejudice. The Government, in response, argues that this term would be highly probative of the Defendants' knowledge of the unlawful object of the conspiracy. The Court finds that, because this term was and is commonly used to refer to the conduct in question, it will be difficult for witnesses and lawyers to generate an adequate substitute during questioning. It need not, therefore, be entirely excluded. However, the Court invites counsel for Defendants to suggest any possible limiting instructions which, if offered to the jury, might mitigate any possible prejudice that the term might create.However, as Ray Dowd points out in the link above, this doesn't seem to make much sense. The word piracy is not in the statute, and the crime he's charged with is criminal copyright infringement, not piracy, so there's no reason that the proper terms can't be used:
I have litigated many copyright infringement cases without the need to refer to the word "piracy" though as a civil plaintiff it is a nice synonym referring to a person who makes multiple exact duplicates, rather than someone who borrowed portions of a copyrighted work. But it certainly is not necessary in a civil proceeding and would appear to me to be highly improper to use in a criminal proceeding.Of course, since the guy was acquitted anyway, perhaps the entertainment industry is correct that "piracy" isn't derogatory enough anymore.
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"criminal sexual conduct."
And you cannot use the term "rape" during the trial.
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For example, is it really "rape" when two 15 year old kids have consensual sex? Is it really "rape" when a guy grabs a woman's ass?
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Never mind the fact
I defy ANY of the industry apologists to justify the use of such a term as relates to making a DIGITAL COPY of a song that is SHARED FREELY WITH OTHER PEOPLE. Please. Enlighten us as to how this is right or moral, or even factual under the law.
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Please use Socially Acceptable Stigmaless Terminology instead.
Thanks for you assistance in this matter.
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Of course...
... as long as the defense team is allowed to read the definition of piracy from the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea and pose the question how copying a file relates to same.
Should be fun.
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I think it was reasoned, at the time, that the act of physically printing and distributing actual books was like pirates plundering the publisher's profits.
How this all relates to what's happening in the 21st century?
I have no idea but who doesn't love a good pirate story?!?
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Then it's a done issue :)
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Or ASSHAT for Short
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Pirates
the following comic is from 1983:
http://www.gocomics.com/feature_items/explore?page=14&tag=16626
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Re: Pirates
Article from 1897:
http://www.gloriousnoise.com/links/2009/music_pirates_in_canada_1897.php
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Yes, however...
I think it was reasoned, at the time, that the act of physically printing and distributing actual books was like pirates plundering the publisher's profits."
Right, however that is actually counterfeiting. Today that would be the equivalent of knock-off Gucci bags. These are physical items that are made from scarce materials to fake the real item.
"Pirate" in refrence to general computer naughtiness has been used for a very long time.
the following comic is from 1983:"
Yes, this term has been used in the computer/tech area for decades. The point, however, is that its NOT a legal term, and has no place in a lawsuit as it is NOT codified in law that piracy=infringement. Its a popular term, but much like "Intellectual property", its a made-up term and not one that exists anywhere in law. Definitions are specific when it comes to a courtroom, as otherwise people would be able to argue the point and wiggle out of things.
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Good times.
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Think of that song by Eminem. "I'm a criminal." It is certainly possible to make people think a "criminal" is
"cool", and when everyone can call themselves a criminal for doing something small now everyone is a criminal and it's "cool".
and I can imagine what it would be like going to jail for copyright infringement.
Copyright infringer: What are you in jail for?
True criminal: I stabbed 3 people. and you?
Copyright infringer: I copied music illegally.
Should we end up putting non violent people in jail for no good reason as well? If anything, as Mike has pointed out before, it will serve to turn them into true criminals if they are forced to hang around those true criminals.
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The Law versus the vernacular
What is or is not "murder" is a good example of this.
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This statement is a joke, right?
Mike, you are a really bright guy, so either you were just trying to provoke conversation, or being sarcastic, or something, but you could not have been serious.
During trials both sides choose words that put the other side into the worst light possible. In many cases the statutory language is almost never used.
Which sounds worse?
You honor, the defendant committed a tertiary infraction (statutory language), leading to a hazardous act, in which property damage and injuries occurred (statutory language).
This language is pretty much used in statutes. How often is it really used? Contrast that with what the state's attorney actually said:
You honor, the defendant blew through a stop sign (non-statutory, but certainly descriptive) at an estimated 38 miles per hour, slamming into a vehicle that had legally entered the intersection under the speed limit, causing the vehicle to be completely demolished (non-statutory language) and severely injuring the driver and passenger of that vehicle, causing bruising, a neck injury, a broken arm and massive amounts of fear and anxiety (non-statutory language).
As long as the description is reasonably accurate, why should anyone, either the prosecution or the defendant, be limited to statutory langage? Even if you did that, all the side that benefits from non-statutory language would do is spend a ton of time defining what the statutory language means so that us commoners could understand it, and then they would use it anyway.
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It doesn't need to be in the statute
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Eric Vermote - Piracy expert
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