50 Cent Says The Movie Industry Will Get New Laws Passed That Will Help The Music Industry
from the say-what-now? dept
Hmm. Last fall, we wrote about 50 Cent (Curtis Jackson's) excellent appearance on CNBC, where he said he didn't worry about file sharing because he saw it as a part of the marketing:"the people who didn't purchase the material, they end up at the concert."That seemed rather forward looking of him. Now, however, he seems a bit more ambivalent. Copycense points us to an interview with 50, where he at first notes that the music industry is doing fine... but then busts out the claim that they need to pass new laws to help the industry:
"I don't think the music business is dying," 50 says in the interview. "I think we're just experiencing technology and we just have to pass new laws, eventually, to change how music is being distributed. There's no lack of interest in great material, I don't see people 'not' going to the night club or enjoying themselves when the song comes on. It's just about re-developing what the music business is. It's easier to download a song that's three minutes long, probably about three or four seconds for you to download it, it's easier to steal...The technology is so new and what we're actually doing on the web that we have to develop that."But... uh... wasn't he just saying that the file sharing acted as marketing for his other lines of business? He seems to go back and forth between recognizing this and saying that new laws are needed, even though it's not clear why. Then he claims that those new laws are coming... just as soon as Hollywood learns that movies are being shared online (apparently 50 hasn't paid attention to what's popular on the file sharing sites these days):
"And those things won't actually happen, the effective laws won't happen until it starts to damage film. When you got your blockbuster film doing $120 million in a weekend and then that blockbuster film that they spent $120 million comes out and nobody goes to see but everybody watched it because they could pull it off their computer and see it on HD at home on a theater. They'll change those laws."Except, uh, those movies all can be downloaded, and are downloaded... and people still go to theater, just like they "still go to the night club" or to concerts, because of the social experience of going out. It's why some of the most successful movies are also the most downloaded. It's why even as it's quite easy to download a film (contrary to what he appears to believe), box office results keep hitting record highs. And, it's not like the MPAA isn't working hard to try to change those laws, but (thankfully) there doesn't seem to be enough appetite for the type of massive copyright changes the MPAA would like to see.
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IM2 DOA!
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The way I read that, it sounds like he believes in a system where the gov't guarantees businesses a ROI.
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Like how X-Men origins and Star Wars III just totally bombed in the theaters? They had a total of what, 5 people pay?
/sarcasm (in case it didn't just jump out of the screen and smack you)
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It's an interesting scenario though, where the masses are outlaws.
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No problems what-so-ever.
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Like how X-Men origins and Star Wars III just totally bombed in the theaters? They had a total of what, 5 people pay?
/sarcasm (in case it didn't just jump out of the screen and smack you)"
Exactly! Like how wolverine didnt make ANY money, despite being a) not a very good movie and b) LEAKED BEFORE it was released (on the order of WEEKS ahead), or how like Dark Knight was THE most "pirated" movie (of all time?) and yet FAILED MISERABLY at the box office! OH and Avatar! AVATAR! What a COLOSSAL failure! Did great business until about 4 days after release, when the first "pirated" cam copies came out, and WHAM! TOTAL tank from there on out! Right? This all happened, right? Thats the ONLY outcome, right?
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They will change the laws and then they will end up with Sweden, Spain, South Korea, or Japan all over again. In every case it follows the same pattern, law passed, file sharing drops for a short period, media advertising goes up in that country, sales go up for a short period, 3-6 months after the law was passed downloading is higher than before the law.
If you look at Spain there is no solution for the future due to the high infringement rates and percentage of people who file share. South Korea, Japan, and Sweden will follow in that order. The movie and music companies will with draw like they are planning, and have already done in Spain.
This is going to be fun to watch ...
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Once again 'Tards...InfringementTheft
Thats because stealing DEPRIVES someone of that thing. Stealing is NOT the same as copying. Get it right before you rant and look like an idiot.
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25 cents
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Re: IM2 DOA!
It was released as a CAM in russian, spanish, and french, with no english subtitles.
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Jumped the Shark
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Copyright != creation
So...then "piracy" really has little impact on sales, no? Your own example man....
" if the movie companies withdraw from enough markets, they will stop making content. then good luck trading blank discs and empty torrent files. enjoy the mess you make."
bwahahahaha. Yeah, because NO ONE ever made any art or wrote anything before copyright. keep believing that drivel. So the majors go away. All that does is provide an OPPORTUNITY for someone ELSE. SOMEONE will ALWAYS make art, regardless of the law. And even then, given your Piracy Armageddon scenario, there are HUNDREDS Of YEARS of content to go through, so its not like sharing will just stop.
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Yes, box office revenues continue to increase, due to ticket prices, opening of additional theaters with much large capacities, and decent flicks. This is in parallel to the fact that movie downloads rights.
Did you ever stop to think that box office revenues would dramatically increase (MORE!) if ALL file sharing was stopped? Sure, Avatar did great at the box office, and I'm sure some people either downloaded it, and didn't see it in theater or vice versa. However, I'm sick and tired of these poor arguments (i.e. "file-sharing isn't killing the business, the business is booming!), because you have absolutely NO DATA to suggest that box office revenues WOULD NOT increase if all sharing was stopped.
It's just such a poor, one-sided argument that does not beat a simple test of, well what if it was the other way around.
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I am not confusing anything. The number of people trading is up, check the numbers for limewire and bit torrent client downloads and online statistics. The number of files being transfered is up, go look at top 100 list of torrented files week by week, and break it out by music and video. Also with methods that are gaining popularity there is no counting weblockers, etc. Also check out the average file size downloaded based on the torrents.
"but sales of music and movies are up in all those countries you list. odd isnt it?"
It not really odd, advertising went up in those countries. These statistics are generated by the industry trying to pass similar laws else where. These statistics are created to allow politicians to rationalize the passage of these laws in their own country. What is funny is that people in the entertainment industry actually take these statistics as proof that what they are doing is working.
It has to do with hope, a hand being extended to a drowning industry.
"if the movie companies withdraw from enough markets, they will stop making content."
This is a bad thing how? We have more user generated content than ever before. I will admit that most of it really sucks. But you do have a few gems out there. Its getting cheaper all the time to produce video and music. As more people create content the math says that there will be more good to great content. As people collaborate on content creation and open the creation process up more rough gems will be polished to become well done jewels.
When the media creation and distribution industries fail they will be replaced. Nature Abhors a Vacuum ...
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you have absolutely NO DATA to suggest that box office revenues WOULD NOT increase if all sharing was stopped
Do you have any data to suggest that box office revenues would increase if all sharing was stopped? Which is a completely pointless question anyway because file sharing will never be stopped now, and it shouldn't. It provides a very efficient way to transfer information around the world, raising our living standards. But we should attempt to stop it because movie studios are to be guaranteed revenues at the expense of the public? Frankly, it wouldn't even matter if it did hurt box office revenue - technology improves lives for the better, and legacy companies can adapt or fade away. Why is this case any different?
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hmmm .... and you have no data to say that box office revenues would increase if file sharing were to magically stop.
followed up with what you said ...
"It's just such a poor, one-sided argument that does not beat a simple test of, well what if it was the other way around."
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Right, I would agree with that ... but I tend to think that someone with business skills would say, "Hmm, this is what the social trend is, how can we capitalize on that?"
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Do you have any evidence suggesting otherwise? That the industry would make drastically more money if file sharing wasn't present? Oh you don't, ok.
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hmmm .... and you have no data to say that box office revenues would increase if file sharing were to magically stop.
Correct, I don't - and neither do you. But last I checked, I'm not the one spouting this information off via a blog as if it's been proven solid.
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Even if it would, an assertion you can't support with evidence, it is still evidence that file sharing is not killing the music industry, which is the point being made. The RIAA says file sharing is killing the movie industry but the evidence shows an expanding industry despite increased piracy, suggesting that their claim is false. Is it absolute proof beyond any possible doubt? No, but absolute proof is practically impossible from a scientific perspective. But it is evidence.
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But you're missing the point. The point is that the MPAA et all keep arguing on MSM that file sharing is killing the movie/music industry and yet, as you admit, there is no proof of it and we even have evidence contradicting their positive statement.
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It's possible, though, perhaps unlikely -- seeing as prior to file sharing existing, revenues were significantly lower (ah, details).
But, the point, which you ignore repeatedly, is that the industry insists that file sharing is *destroying* the industry. They're not claiming "oh, we're making less than we would have otherwise."
And the evidence says that they are flat out wrong. The industry is not being destroyed. More movies are being made and more money is being made. So, what point are you making exactly?
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So one can say with great confidence that there would be no growth beyond what is already happening.
Besides historically if there is a great spike in arts is generally followed by the fall of some civilization is like they lost the focus on what really matters(production of real things)
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We do not have data that will satisfy TAM and a few ACs, we will never have it because piracy will never go away. But, we have a few facts that suggest that revenues not only will not go up but would drop without piracy.
Dark Knight, X-men Origins, and Star Wars III would suggest that piracy and revenue aren't related. Avatar would suggest that having more ways to view something increases revenue. That band (don't remember which) that pulled their music from iTunes and had their CD sells dropped would suggest that removing avenues will drop revenues. There's that artist (can't find the article) who sold out a stadium thanks to piracy. And then there's Nigeria, China, and India with thriving movie businesses.
So, no. We have no hard statistics, never will. But we do have plenty of evidence.
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And a mannequin resembles a person, but if you light one on fire you don't go to jail for murder now do you?
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Did you ever stop to think that file shareing acts as free advertising for these movies driving more people to want to see it on the big screen? I'm sick and tired of these poor arguments that eliminating file sharing will cause people to suddenly pay for the content they weren't willing to pay for when there was file sharing, because you have absolutely NO DATA to suggest that box office revenues WOULD increase if all file sharing stopped.
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The big dogs in the recording/movie industries will spontaneously combust when they hear about it.
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Oh Fiddy
"Get rich or die tryin' was a classic, now you're rich and tryin to die, you's a dumb bastard"
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History is a judgement call mainly created by the winning side.
Archeology is interpreted history based on the scientific study of documents, objects, and dig sites from the past.
Doesn't make much sense as a reponse does it? I do have to point to the history of our comment thread. I didnt point out any facts I just pointed out that your argument was flawed and then bitch slapped you with your own words ... big ole GRIN
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If you look at Spain, you see that very few movies get released with their original audio track, there is absolutely no access to a streaming service like Netflix or Hulu for most people and movies often get delayed for 6 months or more. DVDs and video games are often double what they cost in the UK (even when the pound had a poor exchange rate), so most of my friends here import them if they buy them. Yes, that means that numerous Spanish people buy the product, they just don't buy them in Spain. Even then, the postal service can be atrocious in some areas, which is why many don't bother and why a postal DVD service hasn't taken off.
There's a very easy solution - stop ripping people off and allow people to obtain the product they want in the way they want it. Stop with the stupid windowed releases and allow people access to streaming services if that's what they want. Allow the likes of Amazon to sell MP3s to Spanish residents, allow them to access reasonably priced products within Spain instead of inflated prices at a streetside kiosk that stocks 30 DVDs.
The country is currently experiencing 20% unemployment, meaning most people have no disposable income. It doesn't take a genius to work out that people don't have the money to piss away on overpriced entertainment. A reasonably priced streaming service, maybe, but not €15-20 (approx. US$20-26) for every new DVD or CD and €60 (approx US$80) for every new 360/PS3 game. Meet the demand - it's simple, and something that they should have been spending the last decade putting into place.
"The movie and music companies will with draw like they are planning, and have already done in Spain. The movie and music companies will with draw like they are planning, and have already done in Spain."
Yeah, what a f*cking fantastic idea, remove the only legal means that people have of obtaining products. That'll increase sales! Morons.
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It's just such a poor, one-sided argument that does not beat a simple test of, well what if it was the other way around."
The arrow points both ways man. By the exact same argument, you have NO DATA that box office revenues WOULD increase if all sharing was stopped. Whats good for the goose...
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Who Is 50 Cent?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent
http://www.50centonline.com/
I don't know about you, but I could not give a tinker's damm if 50 Cent starves in the gutter. However, I trust we can use this. We can force any politician who takes money from the recording industry to publicly recognize that he is really taking money from 50 Cent. I wonder how that will play with Mrs. Front-Porch-America.
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So one can say with great confidence that there would be no growth beyond what is already happening."
Idiot, growth beyond now and a COMPLETE STOP FOR ALL ETERNITY are not the same thing. There will NEVER be a time when SOMEONE isnt creating SOMETHING. With or without government granted monopoly protections.
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Let the Bogosity Commence...
> protect their property in the same way they protect yours.
Except no one is talking about property.
The only thing we're talking about here is an artificial monopoly on distribution intended to foster creativity.
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I'm not surprised
Second rule of greed: the more you want, the less you consider the consequences of what you want.
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Yeah, 'cause if Hollywood, the networks, and the Big Four don't make music or movies, then nobody will.
Right.
Do yourself a favor and look at the history of underground music. Started by people outside the music industry, which grew into something more vibrant and innovative than the industry ever was. And what happened when mainstream rock was tanking in the early 90's? Oh, right - they mined the underground for talent, and were only able to save themselves by co-opting people like Nirvana and Sonic Youth. And that was when they still had a monopoly on communication.
Or how the major studios took a Batman franchise that was a total failure under studio directors, and was only able to revive it by giving it to someone who made indie films.
People have been making art for centuries without any sort of legal monopoly on it. And that art is better. The only thing the monopolists have ever had is their monopoly, and once that's gone, they will have nothing to offer.
They never offered creativity, that's for sure.
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I've only researched music, not movies. But in that case, all of the data suggests that music revenues would decrease if filesharing was stopped:
Like I said, I don't study movies. But the fact that the most-pirated movies also make more money seems to suggest that it's true here as well.
On the other hand, I'd like you to find a study that shows filesharing hurts sales. I haven't found one yet - at least, not one that isn't produced by people with an economic stake in copyright expansion.
Not that it really matters. Even if filesharing did hurt sales, it's not going away. If your business can't survive that, maybe you should change jobs.
(That's the general "you," not you-Lux-in-particular.)
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Bravo;-))
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Copyright saved cavemen too
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Those that don't like copyright or who choose licenses like any of the CC licenses simply adhere to a different business model, one that may very well bring in less revenue (at least in most cases) but enables society more and doesn't attack the rights of others.
[Note that artists are themselves consumers and also have much more material to work with when we all take a permissive approach to copyright. For most artists, a CC world is better as you won't be competing against the huge marketing arm of monopolists and you will have access to a lot more at much lower costs. As for the cream of the crop, these will also have access to more material and be able to be a participating artist on many more works, but they will likely make less money overall (especially if they are used to making millions yearly). Actually, if a million people want to see you, you might make a lot of money (millions USD), but generally there will be a lot more competition.]
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These people are afraid of loosing control. In the case of spain they already have. It is not because of piracy it is because of their own actions. They have pushed for laws in every country, spain included, that are to their advantage from a profit perspective. They have created complex contractual obligations to increase profits. They have done everything to not adapt to the online world in order to maintain profits. They have a windowing system that is profit motivated.
What they have created is an old style water republic that is complex, inflexible, corrupt, and incapable of change. Systems like this undergo catastrophic failures at the end of their lives. The barbarians that will bring this system down are, them not serving their customers needs and wants, the total failure to understand they are a service industry, the deals they made with the other kings of the media industry, in a word themselves.
And you are right it is a failure of their own creation.
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revinue is up !!!
The argument is that without file sharing (stealing), they box office figures would be much higher. that is clear, lost of people wait to download it rather than go to the flicks.
there is also a huge confustion between quality and quantity, sure a billion backyard boys could produce lots of music, and mabey even some second rate movies.
The at what quality ?
Who is going to pay for the studio musos', the studio, the engineers, the graphics artists, Rent, food, wages, production, manufacturing and promotion and distribution ?
It's not just about artists, many people are required to create something of value, something people actually want and desire.
And just because you want and desire something gives you no right to steal it...
and yes, copying is theft, that argument that you are not taking anything physical from the creator is just plain wrong..
If you download something, you want that thing, or you would not download it ... Right..
Therefore if you were not able to download it, and you still wanted it, you would have to pay for it... Right..
If you would have had to pay for it, but you get it for free instead, you take away a sale from the creator..
Thats theft... it's just that simple, mabey someone here should speak to a lawyer, someone who actually knows about the law, and has some idea on how the economy works...
that would be refreshing indeed...
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It's not just about artists, many people are required to create something of value, something people actually want and desire.
And just because you want and desire something gives you no right to steal it...
and yes, copying is theft, that argument that you are not taking anything physical from the creator is just plain wrong..
If you download something, you want that thing, or you would not download it ... Right..
Therefore if you were not able to download it, and you still wanted it, you would have to pay for it... Right..
If you would have had to pay for it, but you get it for free instead, you take away a sale from the creator..
Thats theft... it's just that simple, mabey someone here should speak to a lawyer, someone who actually knows about the law, and has some idea on how the economy works...
that would be refreshing indeed..."
Ignorant Mis-informed Shitbag Much?
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AC are you refering to yourself ?
I notice that you keep away from the actual issues, and the fact that we all have to live by the existing laws and statues, as much as you dont like living by the laws that we all agree too, no matter if you like them or not, man up and enter the real world, and mabey you will see the error of your ways, or at least work out you're flogging a dead horse. Especially when there is little or no decent arguments to support the wild claims that come from this site.
(but it does provide some amusement thought).
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I don't download movies online
If I want a movie, I buy a used copy of it.
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Inflation. Imax. 3D. Higher ticket prices in general. (ah, details).
More youtube movies are being made, sure. More studio movies? No. More money being made? Only if you ignore inflation. More tickets being sold? No.
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Johhny Depp has 15 movies in development. Is that the average? 5 in production.
Seems to me that quite a lot of studio movies are being made.
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Re: AC are you refering to yourself ?
The Underground Railroad: LAWBREAKER!
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Re: AC are you refering to yourself ?
"Mabey" you sould learn to spell "maybe" if you're going to use that word so often.
"Mabey" you come across as a complete idiot. Meow.
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Box office revenues have increased steadily over the past decade in the U.S. alone. If you think that we have a better standard of living now than we did ten years ago, you're crazy.
People also wait to rent movies rather than go to the flicks. I guess that Jack Valenti was right, and VCR's should be illegal. Oh, and people who download movies will never, ever step foot in a theater, right?
This is ironic, seeing as every single musical genre was started by those "billion backyard boys." Soul, rock, death metal, punk, rap, grunge - none of those were supported by major labels until they became too big to ignore.
You've got a huge confusion between quality and cost. By your logic, Transformers 2 is a far better film than The Hurt Locker, and Primer was the worst movie ever made.
Since the movie industry is doing better by the second, I guess the same people that paid them before. In the music industry, it'll be the musicians themselves, same as it always was.
Besides, jobs lost to the digital age are usually not due to piracy. I used to work in a print shop, but not any more. Was it due to people "stealing" content? No, it's because it's cheaper and faster to email plans and specs to subcontractors than it is to print up paper copies and FedEx them across the state. The company I worked for couldn't adapt, and now they're gone. That's economics for you.
On the one hand, we have Supreme Court justices, Congressmen, and the author of copyright law who all say you are wrong. On the other hand, we have... your opinion. Good luck with that.
Or I would just do without it. Or I would download it, like it, and pay for things I couldn't download. Or I would pay for a physical copy, even if I did download it.
All independent studies I've seen say that downloaders buy more music. I have never seen a single reliable study that says that keeping people from downloading will increase sales.
You seem to think that if filesharing was wiped out, suddenly all those evil pirates would have rushed into HMV, with teary eyes and open wallets... Right..
Have you ever thought about taking your own advice? If you want, I can give you some phone numbers.
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50 cent
Thank god the founding fathers weren't musicians.
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u must support piracy............. adimanesi
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musukuni solution pampu
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u must support piracy............. adimanesi
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musukuni solution pampu
how to download recent piracy movies from torrent otherwise. i ll fuck u
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