The Car That's Driven 2.8 Million Miles

from the feeling-like-a-slacker-yet? dept

Wed, Aug 11th 2010 5:08am — Mike Masnick

These days, any time you hear of a car that's been driven over 200,000 miles, it's pretty impressive. But, apparently for a guy named Irv Gordon, that was just what it took to break in his 1966 Volvo P1800. Shocklee points us to the astounding story of Gordon and the 2.8 million miles he's put on the beloved car, which he bought new all the way back in 1966. He's hoping to get it up to 3 million in about 3 years. For anyone who believe "they don't make 'em, like they used to," apparently here's a datapoint. The guy drives 125-mile commute daily, but also apparently just loves driving and takes the car all over the place.

As for repairs and maintenance, obviously he takes pretty good care of the car, but doesn't seem to do anything special, beyond following the factory (not dealer) manual. He began to realize the car was pretty damn reliable when he surpassed 250,000 miles without needing a single repair beyond basic maintenance. And, yes, the engine has been rebuilt twice, but he admits that the first time it shouldn't have been. Volvo, of course, is well aware of Gordon and even gave him a free car years back when he hit 1 million miles. But he saw no reason to stop driving the original one. And, if you're wondering, yes, Gordon is in the Guinness Book of World Records. But he got there way back in 1998 when he only had 1.69 million miles on the car. Suddenly, "just" having 200,000 miles on a car doesn't seem so special.

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Chronno S. Trigger (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 5:20am

My new hero
And here I though driving enough to circumnavigate the planet every year was a lot.

I always wanted to know what happens when my six digit odometer passes 999,999 miles. Now that I see it's possible, I may just attempt it.
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cc (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 5:28am

Ok, but how fuel-efficient is a 1966 car? :P
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CommonSense (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:02am

Re:
Probably better than a 2006 SUV...
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:07am

He drove, on average, over 63k miles per year every year since 1966. Not too shabby!

I wonder how the newer Volvos would hold up?
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Adam Wasserman (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:15am

Re: Feul effeciency
It probably does not matter. The delta between his efficiency and that of a new car would be erased by the carbon debt of manufacturing a new car.

You know, it is just as bad for the environment to make them as it is to drive them...
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Killer_Tofu (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:16am

I'm a slacker
Makes me feel like a major slacker for wanting to get rid of my cars when they hit 150K
I don't take good care of it enough, that is for sure. Also, living in one of the northern states where our roads are partially salted for a few months a year certainly doesn't help. =(
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out_of_the_blue, 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:17am

If he *averaged* 55 miles an hour,
then he's wasted nearly SIX YEARS of his waking life in a car.
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:19am

The auto industry have a thing called "planed obsolescence" they don't want people hanging on to their cars, the U.S. manufacturers were big fans of the concept until Japan trashed them with better "obsolescence" plans.
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Chris ODonnell (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:21am

And here I was all excited when my 97 Mazda hit 150K a few weeks ago.
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Dark Helmet (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:23am

Re: I'm a slacker
I was thinking the same thing; there HAS to be an environmental factor to this. Here in the midwest, they tend to treat a snowy road the way oprah treats a bad cut of steak: they salt the shit out of it.

You could take care of it like a Jeff Gordon pit crew boss and the salt would still shred your wheel wells within 20 years max....
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Liam (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:24am

125 mile commute! I won't work 5 miles away from my home... lol
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Non Sequitur, 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:28am

>"If he *averaged* 55 miles an hour, then he's wasted nearly SIX YEARS of his waking life in a car."

Did you read the article? I don't think he has "wasted" anything:

"Within the first 30 seconds of our conversation, we realised that Gordon was one of those folks who truly loves his time spent behind the wheel. Driving is more than a way of getting from A to B. It's a hobby, it's how he relaxes. If we'd asked him to join us for dinner, we bet he would've taken us up on the offer simply because it would give him an excuse to drive a couple of hundred miles."
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Joseph Durnal, 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:31am

I better get 250k
I better get 250,000 miles out of my 2010 Toyota Corolla, if I get more, thats great! It is one year old now with 20,000 miles. I got 10 solid years and 213,000 miles out of my 1999 Dodge Avenger. In 2005, I bought my wife a van, that one needs to last 10 years too. So far, it has been perfectly reliable, with about 70,000 miles on it. I figure that anything you spend more than $10,000 on, should last at least 10 years.
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Berenerd (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:33am

125 miles one way?
I had a 90 mile commute from Sunapee NH to Montpelier VT over the green mountains in sleet and snow. That was one way and I thought that was bad...man...125miles? he must live in the southern part of the country.
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:40am

Re: I'm a slacker
Article say he goes from Manhattan to Long Island for that 125 mi commute. They get snow and salt don't they?
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Haywood (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:45am

Re:
I had a 1970 Volvo 145, same engine, heavier and less streamlined, and it would give around 25 mpg driven aggressively, I never tried driving for maximum economy, so can't report, but imagine it could deliver 30ish mpg driven properly.
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jsf (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 6:48am

Re:
Well I guess that makes me a major slacker by only putting about 11K miles on our car each year. ;-)
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Overcast (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:07am

Re:
Ok, but how fuel-efficient is a 1966 car? :P

Consider all of the extra 'energy' that wasn't needed because he's driving the same car. Over that period of time, the average person might have went through 5 cars - let's say.

That would have a cost in the energy to get the materials for 5 cars, transport 5 cars, etc, etc.

So in the end, I bet he's consumed less resources by keeping a single car than most.
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Greg G, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:09am

Re:
Who cares other than some whiny, smug little Prius driving environmental extremist wacko?

It probably lasted this long, in part, because it doesn't have all the crap that's required on new cars today.
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Zane, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:13am

Re:
It has a 1.8 liter 4 cylinder engine capable of around 30mpg.
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Evostick, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:16am

How much is original?
I think this is relevant...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk24RdfXWcg
3:10 into the clip
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EXrider, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:18am

Re: Re: Feul effeciency
It probably does not matter. The delta between his efficiency and that of a new car would be erased by the carbon debt of manufacturing a new car. You know, it is just as bad for the environment to make them as it is to drive them...
Exactly! I wish more crazed "going green" people (and the EPA) would realize this; and it also extends to other outdoor power equipment and appliances as well.
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geekwrench, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:32am

Re: gas mileage
The B20 2.0 engine in that car is a pushrod cast iron 4 cyl. gets 20-25 mpg
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geekwrench, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:35am

Re: Re: I'm a slacker
This car is much heavier in the metal than most. rust does get to them, but not nearly as quickly.
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geekwrench, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:40am

Re: How much is original?
I met Irv at a show once, and talked with him (I worked for a volvo restoration company at the time) The only parts of the car that are not original at the time (other than maintenance parts) were the drivers seat and the radio.
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:56am

Re:
My 1998 Volvo has 145000 miles on it. Everything that contains electronics is falling apart. It runs great but seems to loose a different electronic function every month.
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Michael, 11 Aug 2010 @ 7:58am

Re: Re: I'm a slacker
I thought she slathered them with A1.
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Michael, 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:00am

Re: If he *averaged* 55 miles an hour,
You assume he does not sleep while driving.

He's a New Yorker - I would not put it past him.
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:03am

I have not seen one for several years, but this gentleman has been used in the past for Volvo ads.

Of course, it helps immensely that his car is not chock full of all the electronic doo-dads contained in present day cars. Could you even begin to imagine trying to find a circuit board if they had been in use back in 1966?

His experience seems to give meaning to the phrase that more often than not "less is more".
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Dark Helmet (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:08am

Re: Re: Re: I'm a slacker
Oprah, I assure you, does not limit herself to single spices or condiments....
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Hephaestus (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:13am

Re: Re:
" I bet he's consumed less resources by keeping a single car than most."

The energy cost of any manufactured good is actually a alittle less than half the cost of the product. Your 50,000 dollar car costs about 20,00 dollars in energy to produce. With 4-7 levels of production for each part, the energy used in shipping between each level of production, the personal energy use of the employees which is tacked onto the cost, the heating and cooling of the factories and offices, it all adds up. It is scary to think we spend half our lives paying for the energy used to produce the stuff we by.
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theangryintern (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:34am

Re: If he *averaged* 55 miles an hour,
I doubt he would call it wasted time. The other article linked in this one has more of the story and the guy just genuinely seems to love to drive.
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theangryintern (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:37am

Re: 125 miles one way?
nope, he lives in Long Island and commutes to Manhattan, I believe
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Sethumme, 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:46am

Re:
How're those airbags holding up?
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:46am

Big Toys
I have a 737 that I've racked up nearly seven million miles on. It's named the "Trololo-slask" and is a very efficient airplane. They really don't build them like they used to! The only problem I've run into is when I pilot it through snowflakes. It sometimes stalls and sputters when it goes through snowflakes. It's definitely a better ride than my Cessna, which is aptly named "The Mike Masnick". The smaller planes are very susceptible to microbursts and wind shear.
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RadialSkid, 11 Aug 2010 @ 9:07am

Re:
"Of course, it helps immensely that his car is not chock full of all the electronic doo-dads contained in present day cars."

That's exactly right...one of the biggest killers of modern vehicles is the the fussy electronic system every one of them seems to have now. The German manufacturers have become especially fond of them as of late, and that's probably why the quality of German cars has been in a freefall for about 10 years now. I honestly feel sorry for anyone saddled with a recent BMW.

Another thing about older cars is they generally used cast iron engine blocks, as opposed to the aluminum engines in modern cars. While the latter is great for getting the car's weight down, a softer metal just isn't going to last in the long term under the stresses engines go through.
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Big Broccoli, 11 Aug 2010 @ 9:43am

Re: Re: Re:
Need to think about oppurtunity costs here. If you are counting things like energy use of employees you are assuming that they would be using zero energy otherwise?
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 10:00am

And this is on techdirt because? You must be running out of ideas to spin a good story Mike!
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 10:02am

Re: Re:
I response to your comment to my comment, I remember there was a time when I could change spark plugs, adjust the timing, change the oil, fix the brakes, etc...all the while sitting on the fender and reaching into the engine area.

Then again, I also remember when I used to fill up my 69 Vette with premium at $.30/gal.
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nasch (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 10:14am

Re: Re: Re:
Keep in mind though, that all that isn't there for no reason. Some 50 year old cars have higher tailpipe emissions when the engine is *off* than new cars do at speed.
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angry dude, 11 Aug 2010 @ 10:22am

big deal
On a twice rebuilt Volvo engine ?

I just checked the mileage on my 99 Accord

339,568

Drives like new with original engine and tranny
and it takes regular gas

Tranny will easily go over 1 mil (highway driving)
engine can be replaced at some point with the used one bought on Ebay for 600$

I have 2 other cars but Accord is the most reliable of all

2005 Passat with 90K is a piece of shit compared to 99 Accord

Not even talking about american cars
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Mike Masnick (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 11:20am

Re:
And this is on techdirt because?

I thought it was interesting?

I always find it odd when people tell me what I am and am not supposed to cover. This is my blog, you know...
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trilobug, 11 Aug 2010 @ 12:12pm

That thing got a Hemi?

Really though that is quite an accomplishment. Coming from a Volvo family (that's how "I roll" -heh) I have always been fond of this car's body - much more elegant than the boxy 240s I grew up with.
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nasch (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 12:16pm

Re:
Then again, what isn't? ;-)
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Dave from LI, 11 Aug 2010 @ 12:17pm

Re: Re: 125 miles one way?
Long Island is only 118 miles long... so that's gotta be a round trip distance.... unless he loves to drive so much, he takes a VERY scenic route OR, lives in the lighthouse at Montauk Point.
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Dave from LI, 11 Aug 2010 @ 12:21pm

Re: big deal
Sorry to hear that you're so angry, but in the 50's 60's and 70's... America built some damn fine automobiles. It'd be interesting to find some of the cars out there with miles on it like that because I'm sure there are plenty of them.
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Killer_Tofu (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 1:06pm

Re: Re: I'm a slacker
They more than likely do. However, he takes better care of his car than I do mine. So, the salt doesn't help me. It may not affect him though. Maybe he waxes his car better or coats it with something. Darned if I know. (And I didn't rtfa this time, don't care enough)
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 1:31pm

Re: big deal
VWs in general are POS. I thought they got better after 04 though.

My wifes 03 Jetta was falling apart at 60k. Got rid of it ASAP. They try so hard to make the cabin nice on initial quality that everything else in the car gets the cheap crap. If it is supposed to be made of metal. It's now made of cheap plastic. Engine parts and other well wearing components, plastic. The tail lights have stamped sheet metal contacts instead of plugs, and don't even get me started on changing the oil/plugs. Mind you, I am very mechanically inclined but I know crap when I see it.
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minijedimaster (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 2:13pm

Re: big deal
I have an '07 Passat with about 70k miles and it's running great so far. Only minor issue I have is that it eats oil more than most engines do. Having a turbo I'd expect that though, especially with the way I drive.

I do agree doing regular standard maintenance is ridiculously hard. I brought it in to have break pads and tires put on and decided to have the air filter replaced too. Mechanic said everything went fine except that the air filter took the longest to do, LOL. VW may not be there yet for quality/reliability, but mark my words. Give them about 4-5 years and they'll be the car to beat.
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 2:29pm

Re: Re: big deal
Um no, there are absolutely NO good american cars from the 70s. The 70s is like the dark ages of american automobiles.
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Brad Hubbard (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 2:52pm

American Cars, maybe
To be fair, people are only surprised when you get an American car to go more than 200k miles. Japanese and German cars tend to breeze on past that without any major maintenance.
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carol, 11 Aug 2010 @ 3:58pm

Re: 125 miles one way?
he lives on Long Island, NY near the bay (salt water in the summer and salted streets in the winter!
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nasch (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 4:36pm

Re: Re: Re: big deal
That is just not true, though the later into the 70s you go generally the worse it gets.
- Chevelle
- Mustang
- Charger
- Challenger
- GTO
- 4-4-2
- GS
I could go on. I think the 1973-74 oil crisis (and tougher emissions laws) is when it really hit the fan for US cars. The dark ages were really 1973 to... um... 1986? That's when the Taurus was introduced.

Those dark ages are perhaps (only perhaps mind you, I welcome any other submissions) epitomized by the Musting II, introduced, not coincidentally, in 1974.
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Miller, 11 Aug 2010 @ 5:11pm

the more you drive, the less intelligent you are...
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Anonymous Coward, 11 Aug 2010 @ 5:22pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: big deal
Agreed that the american auto dark ages did end until sometime in the 80s. But I really have to disagree about the early 70s being ok. Some 1970 models might be okay but anything after that not so much. Even before the oil crisis cars we being detuned to help reduce smog. It was not until sometime in the 80s when fuel injection got good enough that we started getting good cars again. Could not agree more about the Mustang II.
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nasch (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:44pm

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: big deal
The other thing is, were any other cars really that great in the 70s? I know there were several economical, reliable and efficient cars coming from Japan, but most of them weren't all that *interesting*. And when I think of great European cars from the 70s, I'm pretty much coming up blank. BMW maybe? I don't think Jaguar was doing much. Ferrari was in a bit of a slump, between the magnificent cars of the 60s and upcoming cars of the 80s like the Testarossa and F40. Basically that whole 10-15 year stretch was generally a bad one for cars, period. Porsche may have been the bright spot, as I don't think the 911 ever really faded.

I know, totally off topic but it's basically my favorite subject. :-)
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roadrunner2525 (profile), 11 Aug 2010 @ 8:53pm

Re: 5 cars
5 cars?? I've been driving since 1962 and average about 40K a year. For my 2 M miles, as best I remember, we have gone through 25 cars. Highest mileage cars are a 1960 Ford (160K), 1990 Caddy (155000 and still going). 1988 Olds 88 (152K) and a 2005 Dodge Stratus (136K and still going). About 1/2 the cars went over 100K, so you can see I get car fever frequently. I don't average 55 on the hwy either :') I love to drive to new places and absolutely despise retracing my trips.
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martyburns (profile), 12 Aug 2010 @ 4:59am

Re: I better get 250k
It's a Toyota Corolla bro, they will run forever on the sniff of an oily rag.
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angry dude, 12 Aug 2010 @ 5:46am

Re: Re: big deal
"VW may not be there yet for quality/reliability, but mark my words. Give them about 4-5 years and they'll be the car to beat."

Hah ??

They were there, many years ago, but blew it

Still, this piece of shit is very safe to drive (when it drives)
On collision between Accord and Passat I want to be inside Passat for sure
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nasch (profile), 12 Aug 2010 @ 8:05am

Re: Re: I better get 250k
Yeah, I had a Geo Prizm (same thing) that went 300,000 miles without being especially well cared-for, and as far as I know it's still on the road.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Aug 2010 @ 9:06am

Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: big deal
Good point. Most of my 70s car knowledge is of american cars. But I cannot really think of a non-american car that was any better. My dad had a datsun in the 70s that was pretty reliable but not very interesting to be sure. Emissions requirements ruined cars until we figured out how to make them run cleaner.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Aug 2010 @ 9:10am

Re: Re: Re: big deal
You are so right. I got in a rear-end accident in a mid-90s Civic, I think that entire car became one big crumple zone, even the seats bent out of shape. I won't drive another Honda for anything, not worth my life.
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Anonymous Coward, 12 Aug 2010 @ 11:20am

Re: Re:
He obviously hasn't needed them.

Volvos are tanks anyway, I'd be more concerned for others on the road.
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Vash the Stampede, 12 Aug 2010 @ 1:17pm

Re: Re: Re: big deal
My dad had a 1976 Ford F100 4x4 until several years ago that was good until he decided to "hook it up" which resulted in it sitting in the yard on cinder blocks. Probably got bad gas mileage but it could pull well and it drove up to the mountains 5 or 6 times a year.
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Spaceman Spiff (profile), 12 Aug 2010 @ 8:35pm

Pretty good
And I thought 160K miles on my '99 Camry was pretty good... :-) No major repairs, only standard maintenance, though it is about due for some new rear wheel bearings and shocks.
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Corina, 12 Aug 2010 @ 10:42pm

Re: If he *averaged* 55 miles an hour,
What do you mean "wasted"? He's spent about six years of his waking life doing something he thoroughly enjoys. That is never a waste.
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minijedimaster (profile), 26 Aug 2010 @ 7:13pm

Re: Re: Re: big deal
http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/10_04/b4164000146966.htm
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adams, 29 Sep 2010 @ 5:20am

used cars
its superb... used cars
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Ovlov4, 8 Nov 2010 @ 7:26pm

Re: I'm a slacker
Irv lives in New York - I think they use salt there...
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Dec 2010 @ 8:30pm

Re:
a 66 volvo about 40mpg it was a 1.8L inline 4.....only american car companies think 25mpg is special. research what cars in europe and japan get for mpg. Amazing what cars can do when contries actually care about fuel economy and not just say they do. Japan and europe love the inline 3 turbo diesel and on average they get between 60-80mpg. We hate 3cyl engines and most diesels
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w8, 18 Sep 2011 @ 9:52pm

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so i have a 1984 mustang with 356,781 miles 5.0l gt hatchback.cluch was replaced about 138,000 miles to a kevlar racing cluch.
my father has a 1999 f-250 with 311,000 miles 7.2l diesel those are all hauling miles.
my mother has a 2001 dodge durango 4.7l with 263,142 miles.
about 8 times a year is driven through the rocky mountain range.
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Denial, 14 Sep 2019 @ 11:23pm

I think he's an incredible guy, like his story. He must really love his car, and the car loves him.:))
In his after every 10-20 thousand miles I need to change something because my shitbox doesn't want to go further. It is necessary to change the wheels, the oil, then buy new mats for the car with this review https://carlifeguru.com/best-floor-mats-for-f-150 anyway, I have no idea how he treats his car, that he's been serving it for so long.
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