Leaked Report Admits That Hadopi First Strike Accusations Won't Be Reviewed For Accuracy
from the accuse-away! dept
As the French "three strikes" Hadopi process begins, with tens of thousands of notices being sent out to accused file sharers (their "first strike"), things may be even more ridiculous than previously assumed. Guillaume Champeau fills us in on the details of a leaked report from the French privacy commissioner (Google translation from the original French). Basically, the privacy commissioner CNIL admits that, due to the number of notices being sent, Hadopi will simply not be able to review the accusations for accuracy, and will need to accept the claims from TMG, the company hired by the entertainment industry to accuse people. Here's Champeau's summary:"Rights holders have been authorized in June to collect IP addresses on P2P networks, by recruiting the services of the French company TMG. It will monitor P2P networks, store the IP addresses it believes illegally shares copyrighted works, and their rights holder customers will forward the ones they want to the French HADOPI.Read that bold part carefully. What this is saying is that despite the fact that you can be kicked off the internet based solely on accusations, not convictions, and despite all of the problems with false accusations and the fact that an IP address alone does not accurately identify an individual, and despite the fact that the massive number of notices being sent out mean that there will surely be false positives, the only people reviewing these notices to make sure they're accurate will be employed by the agent hired by the copyright holders themselves. Due process? It's dead.
Early this week, an internal report by the CNIL was leaked. The CNIL is the Privacy Commissioner in France. It is the Commission which has allowed rights holders to use the TMG services and collect IP addresses.
The report says that "due to the high number of expected cases (25 000 a day at first, then 150 000 a day), it is impossible for the [right holders' agents] to check the [infringement] reports one by one. Nonetheless, the system does not have particular control procedures, for instance by sampling, which would allow an agent to detect anomalies in a collection session".
It says that "the actions of the Hadopi will be limited to accepting or denying the transmitted findings, without the ability to check them. The first steps of the "three strikes" process will therefore lay only upon the collection operated by the TMG system".
Despite these concerns, the CNIL did authorize the right holders to collect the IP addresses, and did not oppose the 3 strikes process by the Hadopi.
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Nonetheless, the system does not have particular control procedures, for instance by sampling, which would allow an agent to detect anomalies in a collection session"
I would love to know what sort of anomolies they screen for.
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Facepalm!
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Along these lines?
*shreds*
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Welcome to Napoleonic Law.
This is standard procedure.
Italian, Russian, and Eastern Europe law is even worse.
Due process is an English/US law concept, not French.
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I've D/L'ed thet French text, and need to digest it first.
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And maybe people will realize that is time to stop buying that crap those people are trying to peddle and start shopping for free alternatives.
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At a 150,000 per day
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Queue the French Revolution...
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I expect that this rate of notice publication is going to backfire very badly for the french government.
http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=it_net_user&idim=country:FRA&a mp;dl=en&hl=en&q=number+of+internet+users+in+france
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I am pretty sure the ISPs are not going to support this.
What will happen if an ISP looses 10,000 customers? Do you think they will notice? Do you think they are going to hand over the next group of information as easily?
Since the list is not being checked, can we add the Hadopi and TMG members names and IPs and see what happens?
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Selective enforcement?
Only forward the one's they want? Nice - They'll filter out IP addresses of politicians, movie producers, etc. no doubt.
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I think the government there seems to have forgotten a little thing called 'The French Revolution'....oh wait, sorry this is Hollywood, they're probably hoping for Revolution II, so they can make a franchise out of it!
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150,000 a day???
'naughty strikes' - 150,000 per day.
therefore 62277423/150000 = 415days til everyones been served.
415x3 = 1245 days until everyone in france is kicked off the net! (may take a bit longer since they aren't checking anything and will send strike letters to some people even AFTER they've been kicked off!).....
I therefore predict if this all goes ahead, that madame guillotine will start her comeback tour sometime around June 2013.........
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You can just drive around searching for unsecured wifi or breaking wifi security of anyone you don't like and then downloading anything and everything that might show up on TMG radar.
Or was wifi outlawed in France and this won't work?
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It is desperation not insanity. It is an attempt to hold back the tide. It is the second worst thing that the labels and studios could have done to protect themselves. The worst is actually jail time for infringement, which is coming in ACTA.
You are dealing with people in a serious state of denial being "helped" by lawyers and lobbyists. The lawyer and lobbyists only goals are to make money for themselves. They will do anything asked of them no matter how self deluded the people or requests are.
Don't worry about it. To use a music term the whole thing is coming to a crescendo. After which the system they are trying to support and create will collapse. Its the nature of bubbles and technological disruption.
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If I am remembering the number for France correctly 52% (22 million internet connections) of the country infringes on a regular basis (its way higher in spain). So not everyone will be disconnected or notified.
What you should expect is a bell curve where ...
The top 16.5% of the 22 million infringers to get notified often and very rapidly. This is the really techno savy crowd. They will quickly switch to VPN or other methods of infringement.
Below that you have the 66% of average infringers these are the people who will get kicked off the internet. This is where the problems will occur for the labels and studios. Kids, old people, the not to smart, the newbies, the crazies. These are the people who will complain to the ISPs, sue, and contact their political reps. HADOPI will then be removed from the books and an internet fee much like the CD levy will be imposed. Which will also be removed under the same EU laws that got Spains CD levy removed.
All in all the outcome is pretty predictable.
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You assume that only actual infringers will be accused, this is incorrect. Those falsely accused will hopefully be very vocal about it.
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Coming soon to a country near you!
Needles to say TMG services could easily use this information they can acquire for uses outside of stopping "infringement". I say this only because when absolute power is granted it will inevitably become absolutely corrupted.
Scary time to be in France considering that they have effectively privatized a portion of their legal system. I think the term for that is Fascism.
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And that will do wonders for the cultural industries of France, I'm sure.
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God im gonna love trying to find the IPs of the people who voted this law and inject them in surveyed files :)
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IIRC they still have to pay for the minimum term of contract (24 months?).
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It's like rai-ee-ain on your wedding day...
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Give it an extra month or two for the 3 strikes to hit, and all of France will be disconnected from the rest of the world in about a year and a half.
Considering how many people are behind NAT's (get your internet through an apartment complex, share with neighbors, etc.), it might happen a lot sooner even than that.
I wonder how long it will be before people start rioting?
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You can expect your first letter in the mail shortly.
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In fact, the way it reads, all they do is monitor the P2P networks and grab IP's off of them. Knowing how Hollywood thinks, I'll bet they just grab every IP they see using any P2P for anything and send it off to HADOPI.
Much of the complaint against this law is that it takes "guilty until proven innocent" and tosses it out the window, giving complete power to whoever wants to kick anyone off the internet.
Thus, his math, while certainly simple, is unfortunately accurate. I personally don't think it will take nearly as long as he says to get everyone off.
Oh, and the 150,000/day figure? Ya, that comes directly quoted from the article. Go read it again.
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This law gets worse and worse every time I look at it....
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