New Congressional Leadership Prioritizes Wikileaks Investigation
from the how-about-not-covering-up-stuff? dept
We had high hopes after a recent Congressional hearing about Wikileaks, which appeared to focus more on the problem of overly secretive government rather than just blaming Wikileaks, that perhaps the US wouldn't go too far in its overreaction to the site. However, with a new leadership taking over Congress this week, apparently they've decided to prioritize investigating Wikileaks and are making the whole thing political, suggesting that the Justice Department has been "too slow and too weak" in dealing with the site. Rep. Darrell Issa, who is heading the "oversight committee," claims that the US government must do something about Wikileaks or "the world is laughing at this paper tiger we've become."That makes no sense. So far, nearly all of the international response we've seen about Wikileaks has been focused on just how incredibly hypocritical the US has been in its response -- promoting freedom of the press and a free internet elsewhere, but then freaking out about Wikileaks at home. Pushing a politically motivated attack on Wikileaks will just make this issue worse in the eyes of the international community and seems unlikely to benefit the US in any way. If the world is laughing at the US over anything, it's about its childish and counterproductive response to Wikileaks, demonstrated specifically by Darrell Issa's statements and prioritization of Wikileaks as an issue.
If anything should be prioritized, it should be a review of why the government is being so overly secretive on matters where it should not be.
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Every government on the size of America needs secrets. Every one needs to keep what it negotiates in private private until a public agreement can be reached.
You can't get deals done efficiently when you have 6 billion backseat drivers around the world following and heckling your every move.
You can't play poker when your hand is showing, and the others' aren't.
Privacy is essential. It is just as important for a government as it is for an individual. If you think the American people or politicians are going to support what WikiLeaks has done, you are out of touch.
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how well has that worked for us with wikileaks?
all it has shown is that the government deserves less privacy, not more. Everything it's released has shown how badly the US government has been acting in private.
so no, not so much.
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At the end of the day, comment #1 (Mike) is correct. Politics does require some privacy and confidentiality. Without it, there is no possiblity of getting anything done.
If we held ourselves to the same standards, TD would be forced to disclose who they met with and mentioned in the year end post. We all need some privacy, I guess.
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If effective politics truly requires keeping just matters from the electorate, then democracy is not an effective system of government.
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And what has is been shown is that what is "getting done" is too-often in violation of the law. Politicians and their tools, claiming to act in My name, are shaming me and then trying to hide that fact.
Politicians would claim that "politics needs privacy"
I would counter that "Liberty needs Accountability and Transparency"
Is this the conspiracy theory of the week? Try again.
a Private Citizen, making a comment about a coincidental conversation with other Private Citizens is under no obligation to tell anyone anything, ever.
This is not the same thing as actions being taken by Government. Where is the Blink tag when i need it to hammer this point home?
And Mike responds to all the feral-darryl ranting about this conspiracy, so take a look.
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Leaked Chinese secrets embarrass and weaken China in the public stage.
Leaked American secrets embarrass and weaken America in the public stage.
Why should anyone be surprised Americans would be in favor of the former and opposed to the latter?
Everyone knows American "exceptionalism" is just lip service. America is no more or less free or open than any other country close to its size.
If a Saudi leader privately tells an American diplomat he's concerned about Iran going nuclear, how can you possibly think sharing that leader's secret concerns indiscriminately with the world will help anyone?
If you can't keep secrets, people won't tell you them anymore.
You guys are living in a fantasy land if you think that's how government should work.
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Some privacy, yes, but when that privacy is abused, then that's an issue. What Wikileaks has shown is that the privacy has been abused. Widely.
Every government on the size of America needs secrets. Every one needs to keep what it negotiates in private private until a public agreement can be reached.
Again, no one said "no secrets." But the government is hiding questionable actions in the name of that privacy. That's a problem.
You can't get deals done efficiently when you have 6 billion backseat drivers around the world following and heckling your every move.
Actually, I disagree with that premise. If you can't do deals with public scrutiny, you shouldn't be in that job.
If you think the American people or politicians are going to support what WikiLeaks has done, you are out of touch.
Whether or not you support it, it's incredibly hypocritical for the government to cheer on such things elsewhere, and then pretend that a law has been broken here.
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A couple of points...
Secondly, concerning levels of secrecy, the US has a representative form of government. We elect people with whom we agree after they tell us what they plan to do. Up to now, how much stuff gets classified and what classification levels are used hasn't been a bit topic of discussion among the American electorate.
If bureaucrats are left to their own devices, the inertia that they create is incredible. If the American voters think that over-classification of government-produced information by these unelected political appointees is bad, they should elect people to fix the problem. Who among us is intelligent enough that they should be appointed Secret Documents Czar in order to solve this problem by royal fiat?
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who gets the right to keep private from the shareholders what they spend company money on?
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I agree without secret dealings it is hard to dupe the public.
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Checks and balances
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So, you're saying that calling someone who leaks the wrongdoings on China a hero, but calling someone who leaks the wrongdoings of America a terrorist is *not* hypocrisy?
Just so we're on the same page here.
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The United States is turning into a totalitarian state which is not acceptable. The United States has gone to war against nations purely because they were oppressive (including the Revolutionary War, The Cold War, and so on).
Lastly, do not forget that we preach free-speech and transparency to the rest of the world, but it all falls apart when we are doing just the opposite; we are our own worst enemy.
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* Much of the media has stopped covering the Wikileaks story. There could have been a government order for this set to some media organizations or they could be withdrawing their support in the same way that Amazon, PayPal, and so on have dropped Wikileaks (maybe due to political pressure). If you don't hear about it, it is likely to at least seem to be a minority.
* The government of Sweden (rumored to be at the direction of the United States) has launched a smear campaign against Wikileaks founder Julian Assange. This could very well be political propaganda set forth by Sweden (possibly at the direction of the United States).
* Other internal United States propaganda includes phrases such as "Wikileaks endangers lives," and "Wikileaks is a threat to national security." It must be pointed out that our nation exists upon the principle of free speech and taking that away would be the biggest threat to national security (but I suppose, as long as your propaganda tricks people into this it is ok).
So, as you can see, Wikileaks supporters are not becoming a minority, it is just that you are hearing about them less due to lack of media coverage. If you look, the information still exists on the blogs of supporters, in the form of video of the protests, and still the documents live on. In fact, I would venture to say that the more the government attempts to quash Wikileaks, the more people will support it. We as a nation have put up with the government for far to long. It ends now. Adapt or die!
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Americans have an interest in a strong America and weak China. Their reactions mirror that.
I don't think any American politician has said countries should make all government records free and open, then reneged since WikiLeaks hit.
If you make the record public, all you'll get is a lot of off the record dealing. If you want that kind of governance go to Sweden.
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This is exactly why we need Wikileaks. Wikileaks is showing us exactly what was hidden without our consent.
The government has no fundamental right to privacy. They are offered privacy by the people in order to protect that which the people deem as important. The government has, instead, been hiding things it wouldn't like its own citizens to know.
The government is basically trying to tell us what is best for us. It is the people who should decide what is best for ourselves via our vote, but there is practically no government transparency so therefore, we are voting blindly.
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A little background on what Darrell Issa may have.
Indeed, he made quite a bunch of money in this venture, nearly $250,000,000.00 selling the idea of security to the American Public until people eventually started yelling at neighbors to shut off their car damned alarm.
In fact, he's supposedly the richest man in Congress due to his sale of the company prior to politics. Nonetheless, it's the fear profiteering.
So I imagine if you're a San Diego-based Defense Contractor with a bunch of security systems (Like TSA recently implemented) Darrell Issa is *your* man!
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Some interesting info on Darrell Issa's previous job
Indeed, he made quite a bunch of money in this venture, nearly $250,000,000.00 selling the idea of security to the American Public until people eventually started yelling at neighbors to shut off their damned car alarm.
It's reported that he's supposedly the richest man in Congress due to his sale of the company prior to politics. Nonetheless, it's the profiteering on fear.
So I imagine if you're a San Diego-based Defense Contractor with a bunch of security systems (Like TSA recently implemented) Darrell Issa is *your* man!
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If we elect them because we like what they say they will do while in the government, and they are honorable and ethical enough to keep their promises and do a good job, they would, in the course of legislative hearings, uncover stuff that needs to be uncovered. At the very least, they could refuse to fund programs suspected of being abusive.
A democratic/republic/federal form of government relies on having good and honorable people represent the folks. If we don't have those types of people in the government, not much else matters anymore...
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My problem with Wikileaks is that it seems to be a one-man show, with Mr. Assange deciding what is abuse. I don't want that decision in the hands of a single person in the government, much less in his.
"Again, no one said "no secrets." But the government is hiding questionable actions in the name of that privacy. That's a problem."
Who determines what's questionable? Mr. Assange apparently thinks he does.
"Actually, I disagree with that premise. If you can't do deals with public scrutiny, you shouldn't be in that job."
Let's think about this. Should all corporate business negotiation details be discussed in the open, say for example in the Wall Street Journal, while they are on-going? Should the next round of Israeli & Palestinian or North & South Korean peace negotiations be televised live, straight from the negotiating table? While such events might be very interesting, how much do you think would be accomplished?
Or as John Saxe (not Bismarck) said in 1869: "Laws, like sausages, cease to inspire respect in proportion as we know how they are made."
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Politics is a rough game, It's like poker with guns, everyone is more than willing to pull the trigger to protect their stack. One only has to look at an idiot like Saddam who kept on saying that he has weapons, he has huge military, and that everyone would die, and the US pretty much ran him into a spider hole within a few hours. There were no weapons, but he was such a good fibber that he convinced enough people.
The under current is that all sorts of deals are made that are politically expedient but not always popular. Right now, Pakistan is "officially protesting" US drone hits inside their country, but at the same time, they are quietly allowing it to happen. The protesting is for political capital at home, the deals are a more realistic view of the situation. The US in turn doesn't admit to anything, doesn't gloat, and doesn't report any activity.
This is a case that without at least a little secrecy and privacy, this stuff wouldn't happen and a whole whack of talibans would be laughing their butts off at the American troops stuck at the border unable to come get them.
It is great to have huge morals and all that, but in the end, sometimes stuff has to get done. Politics is like making sausages, you really don't want to see how it gets done. It is ugly, messy, and there is a whole lot of crap flying around.
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Psyops
THE AFGHAN WAR DIARY
The real issues raised in that information, including illegal acts of war, lying about death tolls both civilian and military, manipulation of the media, denial of acts of murder and soliciting murder have been obscurred in this back-and-forth flapping about privacy, the need to have secrets and the rest of it.
This is ALL SMOKE AND MIRRORS. Get beyond the 2D Western Ghost Town Shoot'em-up tv show to the root of why this is happening: Wikileaks gave meaningful data to the world providing evidence of manipulation of the "war" in Afghanistan and Iraq just as illegal and repulsive as what the Pentagon Papers revealed.
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A neighbor had one of those Viper alarms that went off constantly (help, help! i'm bein' possessed!). I'd've gladly shot it.
Whatever Issa is up to, I've got a good feeling it's going to waste a shitload of my tax dollars and little else.
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The New Congressional Congress...
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Hell no we won't pay to help anyone. I am a Republican. Don't tax me.
Hope you bought your gun because it's coming.
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It doesn't matter what they say, all they need to do is pretend they are doing what they say and cover up anything that tells a different story.
A democratic system relies on being *able* to elect good honorable folks, which requires information.
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Not all Americans, "have an interest in a strong America and weak China."
Other Americans might consider a transparent democratic process to be essential to preserving the validity of a democratic republic.
The leaks aren't just embarrassing to the US Government in regards to foreign relations. They've also illustrated (what we already knew) that the government is lying to the American people.
The weakening of the American government may also be in the interest of Americans who are abused or neglected by the government in favor of wealthy elites.
"If you want that kind of governance go to Sweden."
If you want to tell people to go somewhere else instead of expecting the government to actually serve the interests of the people, you can stay right here in America because we have the freedom of speech in order to voice such (silly) opinions, unless of course it's embarrassing to the bureaucrats and politicians who only serve to perpetuate their own careers and the wealth of the stockholders...
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