Twenty-Five Years Since The Challenger Explosion
from the and-what's-happened-since dept
There are those "big events" where you always remember where you were, how you heard about them, etc. Things like JFK's assassination or 9/11. And, for me, there's always the Challenger disaster. I remember, because I was in elementary school, and for the only time ever, the school just suddenly turned on the PA system to the entire school and started broadcasting the radio reports live, right after the explosion. There was no initial explanation -- just suddenly the radio blaring over the intercom. Everyone was confused at first, but it became clear what happened pretty quickly. It turns out that was 25 years ago today. The link there takes a look at what's happened to NASA since the Challenger disaster, including how it really tried to fix up safety efforts, and how it ended up getting complacent again, leading to the Columbia disaster in 2003. Today, NASA is still in trouble, and there are efforts to cut its budget drastically (while, at the same time, there are increasing, but still small, efforts at private space flight). I don't have much to say about this, but the space shuttle was a fixture of my youth, and the Challenger explosion was a big moment, so it's interesting to look back 25 years later.
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Was that today...?
And the really bad jokes that spawned some few days after...
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You remember the details? Really?
These "flashbulb memories", though vivid, are generally inaccurate.
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For a really fascinating look at Challenger, check out any of the collections of Richard Feynman's writing that include his speech to NASA after the disaster. He is rather ruthless in his condemnation of their decisions, if I recall correctly.
The same collections usually include the lecture where he introduces the Cargo Cult idea, and also his notes on his time working at Los Alamos on the Manhattan Project (alongside Oppenheimer, Bethe et al). Pretty much everything the man did and wrote is amazing.
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OJ's highway trip in his Bronco.
My generation sucks....
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Thank you DH, Marcus
Man, I was a bastard when I was seven.
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When we got to the office, my parents were there to pick me up. I was thinking "wtf? I know it's a tragedy and all, but you don't have to pull me out of school for this!"
A few minutes later I learned that my grandma had died that morning.
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I remember.
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The government doesn't want to support going into space because people die because we don't fully understand what space is. People would rather wallow in their on little world and don't want to believe there is more to the world than what we walk on. Knowing what is out there will help us survive. Besides I want a phaser gun to shoot aliens with!
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Just call me Gramps...
I was 2 years into my first corporate job when the Challenger exploded. We all took turns sneaking from the Drafting Department to the Engineering Department's conference room because they had a TV.
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As you can imagine I'm also not happy that the shuttle is being retired without a replacement. I can't believe the US is going to depend on the Russians and their old Soyuz capsules for several years! If I was American I would be seriously ashamed by this!
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We were shooting a motivational corporate video that morning -- based the shuttle! You can imagine... "aim for the stars", "let your performance soar" and all that. Horrible confession: our first thought was that our theme/concept had evaporated - shoot cancelled. About two minutes after that, especially after seeing the TV reports, it hit home, and we stood slack-jawed and teary like everyone else.
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NASA is a mirror of the US in general - never quite able to get there.
It's symtomatic of the USA in general, lots of big idea's and plans, but not so hot on execution.
But ofcourse you have to cut back on things like NASA, after all you have a few failed wars to fight, that's got to be more important right !!! :)
It's good to see the US has it's priorities set right !.
Who is the world leader in space these days, Oh thats right its Europe.
or the leader in technology ? or the leader in financial competance ? or the leader in the Auto industry ?
Leader in computer tech? No.
Umm, just exactly what skills and IP does the US have anymore ?
and no I do not hate the US, I kinda like the place, been there a few times. But it's politics, and its bearing is lost. ie, the US has lost it's way, and has to rely on China to make ends meet.
How long do you think you can sustain that for ?
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Definitely remember seeing the trial results in school though. That was either geology or physics class, I can't remember. I DO remember not giving a rat's ass what happened, and hoping that there would be a power outage right before the Judge declared his ruling.
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What I remember most was the front page of the paper the next day was a full page picture of the explosion and a headline. That was the entire front page.
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What I remember most was the front page of the paper the next day was a full page picture of the explosion and a headline. That was the entire front page.
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Next someone will tell me that a politician somewhere actually listened to their constituents passed a sane law.
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But as Darryl points out, the failure to advance our space program: "It's symtomatic of the USA in general, lots of big idea's and plans, but not so hot on execution."
The last scheduled space shuttle flight will be in June 2011. We have no replacement shuttle. Seems that we will have to rent from the Russians should we need to undertake any manned missions.
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Space Travel Is Dangerous
Even right back to the Apollo program, which I think you’ll agree is still the zenith of the US’s achievements in space: six astronauts died in that. And there could so easily have been more fatalities—Apollos 12 and 13, for example, both came this close to ending tragically. In a sense I suppose Apollo was lucky that worse things didn’t happen.
The right attitude to take to tragedies like Challenger and Columbia is not recriminations and blame-passing, but simple analysis of what went wrong and how to do it better next time. Yes, we mourn the dead, but as heroes, not as victims. That’s the attitude the Russians seem to have taken, and they have suffered a lot more fatalities in their space program than the US. And as a result, they have ended up with more dependable, albeit less flashy technology, like the good old Soyuz capsules, which are basically 1970s technology, but still considered reliable enough to be used as lifeboats on the International Space Station.
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I sawr it all go down in grenada
Even as a small child, I knew that we would fly again. We shouldn't cut NASA's budget, it is something we can all point to and say "this is where smart people do great things" and to the people who cite its "large budget".. I think you should look it up.. it makes up about 1/2 of 1% of the federal budget...
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Perhaps I should look up the definition of accident? Hmmm... "an unfortunate incident that happens unexpectedly and unintentionally, typically resulting in damage or injury."
The o-rings were potential problems. So were millions of other things, as the shuttle is one of the most complex machines designed by man. When faced with that many unknowns, you go on probabilities and make the call.
The bird had flown before under similar circumstances. They thought it would do so again.
They were wrong. It wasn't malicious. It wasn't stupidity. It was just that, this time, the probabilities caught up with them.
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Perhaps you could tell us where you live, so we, in turn, could marvel at the many skills and wonders of your particular homeland?
If any.
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EXTRA!
I still have the special edition of the Long Beach Press-Telegram. That was the only time I've ever seen a newspaper with "EXTRA". But there was no newsboy shouting "Read all about it!" There's no reason to expect that there ever will be again.
And, yes, when you play around with large quantities of highly energetic chemicals you're bound to get burned sooner or later. That does not mean that the Challenger accident wasn't avoidable. The evidence that they had entered a dangerous situation was there. The Thiokol engineers understood why that particular launch was much more dangerous than the previous ones. They did a miserable job of communicating it. See their presentation in "The Challenger Launch Decision" by Dianne Vaughn and tell me with a straight face that you would have done anything different. I have presented their charts to a senior level engineering class as a textbook example of a rotten presentation. All that soft and squishy stuff sometimes matters.
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More broadly, the report also considered the contributing causes of the accident. Most salient was the failure of both NASA and Morton Thiokol to respond adequately to the danger posed by the deficient joint design. However, rather than redesigning the joint, they came to define the problem as an acceptable flight risk. The report found that managers at Marshall had known about the flawed design since 1977, but never discussed the problem outside their reporting channels with Thiokol—a flagrant violation of NASA regulations. Even when it became more apparent how serious the flaw was, no one at Marshall considered grounding the shuttles until a fix could be implemented. On the contrary, Marshall managers went as far as to issue and waive six launch constraints related to the O-rings.[37] The report also strongly criticized the decision making process that led to the launch of Challenger, saying that it was seriously flawed.[38]
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It's been upgraded over the years, but it still is based on a Russian design from the 60s(check wikipedia). Old cheap Russian tech. It was the equivalent to the Apollo, designed to reach the moon. There where some fatal accidents at first, but since it has been in use for 40+ years, along with its rocket, it is considered the safest and most cost effective platform to transport humans to and from orbit.
Still, if was American I would feel a bit ashamed that NASA won't have an alternative for years and will have to buy tickets on the Soyuz. Why isn't this a matter of national pride? And what about if Hubble or some other telescope needs repairs again? Nothing but the shuttle can do it! USAF has a kind of shuttle, but it's small and unmanned as far as I know.
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