Funniest/Most Insightful Comments Of The Week At Techdirt
from the quoth-the-righthaven dept
Well, well. In the early days of the "funniest/most insightful" posts, it wasn't that uncommon to have a single comment place pretty high (or even win) both categories. However, more recently there's been a clear separation, and I can't even remember a single comment getting into the top 10 (or possibly even the top 20) in both categories in months. But every week is full of surprises, and this week, it seems the Techdirt community unified behind one comment, and it easily won both categories, with the second place player far behind on each list. So, congratulations Jay, for breaking out your inner Edgar Allan Poe for the following poem in response to Righthaven's massive legal loss in Nevada:As we sit among this midnight weary, seeing the storm so dark and dreary,Bravo! Now, can you top that next week?
The cloud that looms like clouds along the distant shore.
I was nodding, not quite napping, holding covers closer, wrap, wrap, wrapping.
Go to a keyboard, with a tap, tap, tapping, facing my chamber door.
I glanced on the internet for the Righthaven score.
I search for their stories, nothing more.
I read the stories from December, about seizures I can't quite remember...
Along with lawsuits that brought tears galore.
Such was the likes of Righthaven, even FUDBuster, who thought himself a maven,
"This suing potential does not need savin'!", tapping, tapping near my chamber door.
"Tis the truth, Sirrah." he implored. "The truth and nothing more!"
Ah, distinctly I remember, Righthaven lawsuits in November.
Their business model was weakening, bleeding on the floor.
Eagerly they wished for tomorrow, to extend their distasteful sorrow,
intent, now intent on reaching for the door.
The storm clouds reached for the shore,
Righthaven had determination, it seemed, forever more.
But as we see it merrily true, their model of business is run through.
Their model lays skewered, impaled as if by a boar.
"Ah sirrah, you are mistaken, here you are, have more bacon,
The route you have undertaken, Lies broken like a ship on the shore.
Your business model and intimidation are no more.
And so, like the Raven, of Poe's lore, I say and quote...
Nevermore"
Coming in second on the insightful list (by a single vote over third place!) was a comment from lavi d on a different Righthaven post. This one concerned the question of whether or not those who had already settled with Righthaven might now seek their money back. That post ended with a quote from Steve Gibson, CEO of Righthaven, which quite clearly suggested that anyone who came seeking their money back might be targeted in new lawsuits. lavi pointed out another potential legal issue in the other direction:
“The statute of limitations,” he said, “is three years for copyright infringement.”For editor's choice, we have two other top scoring comments. First up, was one from an Anonymous Coward, talking about the rise of internet hacking and/or vigilante groups such as Lulzsec and Anonymous (even if those two now hate each other). Despite all the attention, this AC wanted to put it all in perspective:
What is it for fraud?
I'm fascinated, appalled, and kinda...psyched about these groups, strange as it may sound. Even stranger - I, personally, don't feel any great fear of them. Maybe I should, I don't know. But my gut isn't telling me I should. I don't get that twist at the pit of my stomach like I do when I read about banks foreclosing on mortgages they don't own, laws being considered like COICA or PIPA, or whatever round of TSA bullshittery is happening this week.And, finally, we a comment from a new community member, going by the name LadyMacbeth, responding to the odd compulsion a particular commenter on this site has. That commenter, while anonymous, is a self-confessed DC "policy circle" insider, who is deeply involved in getting things like PROTECT IP turned into law. His commenting style is to be about as insulting as possible, and lately he keeps trying to associate anyone who doesn't support PROTECT IP as being child porn supporters. It's these sorts of smear campaigns that are the reason why people hate politicians. I mean, there's simply no having a serious discussion on the issues with someone like that. That particular Anonymous commenter has been trying to exploit the child porn issue, but claiming that by even just bringing up the famous case of CDT v. Pappert (pdf), in which a very poorly thought out internet filtering bill was declared unconstitutional due to its massive unintended collateral damage, it means you approve of child porn. For anyone aware of the case, this is a preposterous and obnoxious claim, but apparently this commenter thinks it makes for good smear material (though, it really just seems to suggest a lot more about this particular person). Either way, Lady Macbeth decided to take him down with some facts and logic:
I fear my government and its actions far more than I fear anything like Anonymous or Lulzsec. Is that weird? Or does my gut know better than my brain?
It appears to me--:) although I'm new here so I could be wrong-- that child porn is the AC watchword-- One thing has nothing to do with the other, it's simply bullshit rhetoric designed to be as inflammatory and as diversionary as possible and it's working.Moving over to the funny side of things, as you know, Jay's comment already swept the awards for that, but coming in second place was MrWilson's initial response to my post about Righthaven's big copyright loss. Wilson saw my biases clearly:
AC has no clear and defensible argument. Even if the site DOES make money from the posting of those links.. it is clearly a discussion board/index of sorts.. and we could argue that Google is much more so. Albeit they are an index,they are also a chat software, and google docs are being used to link to things that are in violation too.. we could make the argument... could you find all 12 million Warez sites if you couldn't google them and get there to get your free/stolen/pirated software. It's all in how you see it, but since Google is pretty much sacrosanct, I'm guessing we won't see any infringement suits over their warez ihdexing and illegal download links.
The entire proceeding--hijacking sites-- is as unconstitutional as it gets, and child porn has nothing to do with it. In fact. I bet you can FIND child porn sites out there that aren't being seized.. the reality is that the media companies are holding the government by the throat because they are big donation factories LOL.
Realistically, if you REALLY even care about child pornography, then consider this... probably a thousand child porn sites escaped notice because the ICE was too wrapped up in kissing the corporate @ss and pulling down a few illicit tv show links..
As a Pennsylvanian who looked pretty closely at the child porn issue, it wasn't only an issue of child porn and thank goodness the judge was smart enough to know that.
You can not seize a property without due process. With no advance notice, no commentary at all, it sets a very dangerous precedent. Your website IS personal property or business property. It should be subject to the same protections under the law that your home is. Once we allow ANY property to be seized without notice, we open a door that should not be opened.
If free speech and a few links offends you,make you cry wolf.. or in your case.. child porn... I'm guessing you're part of some lock stepping media company,who pays you to suppress your common sense because people who do even a modicum of their own thinking, realize that sometimes you question the government and challenge their behavior--when it's wrong, it's wrong.
Geez Masnick, why do you consistently come out in praise of judges who rule against copyright extortionists?!?Just one editor's choice this week, because I like to shake things up that way. This one comes from DannyB, who channeled some Joseph Heller in explaining how it was that ICE assistant director Erik Barnett could pretend that no owners of seized domains were challenging the seizures, despite knowing that the owners of five domains have been trying to challenge the seizures. ICE spokespeople had explained that Barnett meant one kind of challenge, as opposed to the challenge that's actually being done. This didn't make sense to me, but DannyB broke it down:
Why do you support taking the caviar from the mouths of their children?
Any average asylum inmate can easily explain this. Barnett did not misspeak.Indeed. It does give me plenty to think about. And you too. Or you can start thinking about next week's comments. Until then...
Barnett is talking specifically about the type of challenges that count as having been filed. That's what the seized domain owners are failing to file. Instead the seized domain owners are filing the type of challenge Barnett is not talking about, specifically, challenges that do not count as having been filed.
None of these challenges have any specific type of name or designation. The process for filing a challenge does not allow you to select which type of challenge you wish to file: either
(1) the type that counts as having been filed, or
(2) the type that does not count as having been filed.
If you file a challenge of the 2nd type, it doesn't count and Barnett is still correct and did not misspeak.
Once the seized domain owners actually file the first type of challenge that Barnett is talking about (the ones that count as having been filed) rather than any other type of challenge (the ones which do not count as having been filed) then those challenges will count as having been filed.
It all makes sense.
I hope that cleared it up.
(don't think about it too much or you may end up in an asylum yourself.)
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And, I would say, it also says a lot about the type of people pushing things like PROTECT IP in general. They rely on lies upon lies to sell it. It's really the only choice they have since the truth would work against them.
Shame on anyone supporting such laws.
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So you're in favor of imprisoning people mere for advocating against copyright maximalism?
We've apparently reached the point in this country where merely voicing a contrary opinion about a political issue is justification for criminal charges in the eyes of some.
Who would ever have thought it would be over an issue as stupid as copyright?
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At present where everything seems a secret and some are very plainly BS, no one believes anything put out with good reason.
We have the best laws money can buy.
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but really, this post wants a 'disturbing' button all to itself!
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If money grew on trees ...
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http://paidcontent.org/article/419-groupm-wont-advertise-on-pirate-websites/
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enable: to provide with the means or opportunity
perpetrate: to produce, perform, or execute; to carry out or enact
People who enable, provide possibilities. Those who perpetrate carry out those possibilities. Example: "The Pirate Bay enables copyright infringement, but it's users are the people whom perpetrate it." To imply that enabling is equal to perpetrating, is to imply that all tools that provide the means to do things which do not generate profit for the rights holder is wrong. There is nothing wrong with sites like "The Pirate Bay" because they do enable beneficial uses that have nothing to do with infringement. TPB does not, itself, infringe on copyright merely by its existence, but by it's users whom are the ones that are truly responsible for the infringement. Just because the removal of sites like TPB would greatly reduce the options for those wish to infringe, does not mean it's justified to try to eliminate it. If you can't effectively go after individuals who violate copyright doesn't mean you get to demonize and criminalize sites that enable infringement that are actually perpetrated by its users.
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Passing judgement without understanding, due process, or evidence? That sounds a lot like Anonymous and Lulzsec.
But recognizing that would upset the mealy cacophony that passes for logic here.
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So what? That has nothing to do with, nor has any bearing on, what I just said. Calling a file-sharing site a "pirate" site is like calling a hammer a murdering tool. Subsequently acting on that false accusation by seizing it without evidence nor due process is a violation of human rights. Not to mention, it's a perversion of the justice system. You can't just waggle your finger at a site sharing files, call it a "pirate" site, and then expect to have the authority take it down.
Lulz isn't concerned with passing judgement. They just hack sites arbitrarily, it has nothing to do with judgement. They're just vandals, but vandals who have shown us that we can't trust the companies that were hacked. Anon may be passing judgement, but they're not trying to label those they protest against as criminals. They are also not acting without evidence and a protest is not a part of, nor limited by, due process. They can protest anyone they want if they feel they need to. Trying to shut down, censor, or seize websites without evidence nor due process is what the copyright industries do.
"But recognizing that would upset the mealy cacophony that passes for logic here."
You wouldn't know logic if it bit you in the ass. Yours is obviously flawed and warped.
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It turns out that isn't true. LulzSec flooded 4chan and some people in the media took that as a declaration of war on Anonymous. Both sides have said it was nothing of the sort.
According to this press release they now appear to have teamed up to hack even bigger targets...
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GroupM is well within their rights to blackball sites that involve an independently useful and morally impeccant software application. It's their fractions of pennies after all. Maybe unlike the rest of us reprehensible skells, they don't want to promote the spread of child porn.
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If things follow like they have in the past, he will soon be actually contributing posts (aka, adding more slanted material to the pile), just as the Tims have done.
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And yet, the recording industry will still be losing money.
How's that for pithy?
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What does the ability to write and pass laws have to do with the sophistication of the individuals. Even animals in the wild have their own rules and set of 'laws'.
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What matters is that us tyrants will get our way regardless of whether we are right or wrong. We get our way whether the population likes it or not. Truthfulness and the merits of these proposed laws play no part in this.
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Yes, because only govt imposed monopolists have voices, everyone else simply gets ignored. The govt doesn't represent the public, they represent the govt imposed monopolists.
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What's the matter, too much of a failure to start your own successful blog? Is that why you're here?
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What's the matter, too much of a failure to start your own successful blog? Is that why you're here?
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Regarding your snivel that the government only hears the voices of the monopolists, I'd inquire whether you'd ever heard of EFF, CDT or Public Knowledge? Those groups are very busy advocating you point of view in DC. Do you support the mission financially or are you are freeloader there too? Have you visited your Senators and Congressman's district office to make your views known?
I'd bet 90% of you are simply content to log in here to complain and spin conspiracy theories. I'd be interested to know how much (if anything) Techdirt donates to these groups that are fighting for your so-called digital rights. Like most of you, I'll bet it's either insignificant to zero.
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Yes, because somehow you are more moral than everyone else simply because you said so.
"That the population wants to get free stuff rather than pay for it, is not a compelling argument to me."
You get the air you breath for free, that's not a compelling argument that we should pass laws that prohibit such a thing.
"or the Senators that voted unanimously to send the Protect IP and Felony Streaming bills out of committee."
IP maximists and legislators lie and they censor criticisms a whole lot more than IP abolitionists yet IP maximists consider their opinions to be the only valid ones simply because they have political power.
"Instead of acting like a little bitch"
Look who's talking. 95+ year copy protection lengths, you selfish people practically get everything you want, and you keep complaining that you want more.
"Or... heaven forbid... do without, if you can't afford it."
Instead of passing oppressive laws, why not find another job.
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Instead of trying to steal money from monopoly rents that you're not entitled to, why not find another job.
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Why should people be forced to pay for something (or be restricted from freely making copies) when there is no moral reason they should have to. Why should the law stop people from freely doing something that's not wrong?
It's little different than the law preventing us from freely breathing the air we breath. There is nothing wrong with it, just like there is absolutely nothing wrong with copying. Even the founding fathers agreed here. People shouldn't be forced to pay for something when there is nothing wrong with not paying for it. It's immoral to force people to pay for something that they shouldn't have to pay for.
If you don't like it, don't offer Netflex. Don't create content. Stop profiting off of the copy protections that you receive from content that others make. Find another job instead.
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> suddenly his stuff is the editor's choice
> for best comments, and he is doing the weekly
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What are you suggesting?
I can't show up here, post like everyone else, happen to share others' opinions, and get picked to write the weekly best?
I had lurked here off and on for awhile. Then I signed up and posted infrequently. Then I started posting more frequently in recent weeks. I picked it up now that it appears SCO may actually disappear. Finally.
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Reading comprehension fail, you failure. Having a successful blog that can capture a large audience.
"Regarding your snivel that the government only hears the voices of the monopolists, I'd inquire whether you'd ever heard of EFF, CDT or Public Knowledge? Those groups are very busy advocating you point of view in DC."
Yet we still have ridiculously long copy protection lengths, so apparently the government isn't paying much attention to them, which is the point.
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"Truthfulness and the merits of these proposed laws DO play a part in this.
Yes, because somehow you are more moral than everyone else simply because you said so."
I do not take something of value from another without compensation. While I don't stand on a soapbox proclaiming my moral superiority, I do believe that infringing behavior is both illegal and immoral, though in the grand scheme of things, there are many worse examples.
""That the population wants to get free stuff rather than pay for it, is not a compelling argument to me."
You get the air you breath for free, that's not a compelling argument that we should pass laws that prohibit such a thing."
The air I breathe isn't the result of people spending years of their lives and millions of dollars to create. This is an awfully stupid argument, even for you"
"or the Senators that voted unanimously to send the Protect IP and Felony Streaming bills out of committee."
IP maximists and legislators lie and they censor criticisms a whole lot more than IP abolitionists yet IP maximists consider their opinions to be the only valid ones simply because they have political power."
That's simply untrue. The legions of lobbyists from the search engines and professional apologist groups like CDT, PK and EFF are all the Hill. But their arguments are weak and feckless. These groups actually do a fairly good job on policy matters. And no one is censoring anybody you big crybaby. All of these groups have blogs, put out video, write op/ed's, amicus briefs and tons of letters to legislators. They have no traction because no one is buying their bullshit.
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"Look who's talking. 95+ year copy protection lengths, you selfish people practically get everything you want, and you keep complaining that you want more."
What good is a law without the means for enforcement? This is about enforcing the law, not expanding the tenure of copyright.
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"Instead of passing oppressive laws, why not find another job."
Total non sequitor. My point was that we're talking about entertainment. Not food, not medicine. Entertainment. You won't die or even suffer if you can't get immediate free access to whatever you want to watch or listen to. Try it some time. Billions of people seem to manage somehow.
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Totally laughable rants like this only make your side look worse (if it's possible) and if you aspire to be one of Masnick's piss-boys you have to make something of a reasoned argument.
Pay some attention to the writings of Jay and Marcus who have recently been knighted into The Royal Order of the Brown Nose. But, stay away from the eejit who is still stuck in court jester status, despite his obsequious pandering.
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"But their bribes are weak and feckless."
FTFY.... the real issue isn't the arguments, it's the amount of monetary 'persuasion' that accompanies them...
EFF... Here are why these laws are destroying our culture, we hope you will understand the issues, do the right things, and pass reasonable laws.
**AA... Here's a boatload of cash, a boat, and a nice 'massage therapist' for you to enjoy while you spend the week in our tropical resort hideaway. We expect you will see things from our point of view... (if you don't we'll be using the video footage recorded at our resort hideaway... we didn't even know that was possible with a schnauzer)
Hmm... what choice to the politicians have?
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Translation: I have no argument except to once again return to a rhetorical ad hominem attack on a strawman group that represents no one but my own perceived notion of ingrievances.
" That the population wants to get free stuff rather than pay for it, is not a compelling argument to me."
Translation: The argument that I fail to see or adhere to is the concept of finding ways of doing business, rather than relying on the bureacracy of government to "protect" my way of doing business, through the increase of ex officio powers of state, useless raids of physical product, overstepping of constitutional freedoms, and domain "hacking" to support a return to decades long gone.
"Senators that voted unanimously to send the Protect IP and Felony Streaming bills out of committee."
Translation: We'll spare no expense to support blocking new technology rather than utilize the technology for our own bottom line.
"pay for a subscription to Netflix and Hulu?"
Translation: We support others utilizing technology that no politician would ever understand. Meanwhile, if someone else wants to use this, they can only use it the way that the current large companies can, supporting the status quo.
"do without, if you can't afford it."
Translation: If you're a 3rd party competitor, work with the industry or go out of business. We have government on our side to dictate what you do on the internet. You are SOL.
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It's not taking, it's making a copy, and if you don't want people copying you without compensating you then simply don't do things that you don't want them to freely copy.
"The air I breathe isn't the result of people spending years of their lives and millions of dollars to create. This is an awfully stupid argument, even for you"
Just because someone spent a million dollars digging a hole at the beach gives them no right to then prevent others from walking over or filling up that hole. What you do with your time and money is your problem, don't make it anyone else's. Your argument is a stupid one, though it's not as stupid as many of the IP maximist arguments I've seen in the past.
"What good is a law without the means for enforcement? This is about enforcing the law, not expanding the tenure of copyright."
Enforcing laws that shouldn't exist to begin with.
"Total non sequitor. My point was that we're talking about entertainment. Not food, not medicine. Entertainment. You won't die or even suffer if you can't get immediate free access to whatever you want to watch or listen to. Try it some time. Billions of people seem to manage somehow."
So then maybe the government should be spending its resources on more important things beyond passing oppressive laws.
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What does the ability to write and pass laws have to do with the sophistication of the individuals. Even animals in the wild have their own rules and set of 'laws'."
You really didn't say that, did you? Seems your dunce cap may on a bit too tight.
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hahaha, Jay you one of many servile toadys that forms the Masnick echo chamber. C'mon, a knight in the Royal Order of the Brown Nose? You didn't get that honor because you maintain autonomy over your own testicles.
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You write in support of taking works of art and literature away from the public domain. Is that not stealing? Is that not breaking the explicit contract those artists, composers and writers had with the public when the works were created?
I do believe that infringing behavior is both illegal and immoral,
The millions who are freely sharing "copyrighted" content do not agree that it is immoral. As to illegality, I'll agree with Augustine - "An unjust law is no law at all."
What good is a law without the means for enforcement?
What good is a law that cannot be enforced without harming innocents?
My point was that we're talking about entertainment. Not food, not medicine.
And yet we hear the same arguments from the same groups of IP maximalists about both food and medicines when it comes to patents.
Intellectual Property does, in fact, kill people.
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The will of the people as evidenced by what? You complaining into an echo chamber?
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But none of that justifies a tolerance for infringing. And the industry is changing (Netflix, Hulu, MLB and NBA online) it will take awhile. That shouldn't mean anything goes because you can't have whatever you want the moment you want it. And it needs to be paid for too. The shit costs money to produce, like it or not.
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It sure was. The technology IS out and out of Bittorrent or newer distribution models out there, there's only a handful of companies that are actively looking towards that solution.
As I mentioned before, HBO has HBO plus, where people can see episodes of their choosing a week earlier. Despite the piracy, they're making money. The industry IS moving as I've explained before.
"But none of that justifies a tolerance for infringing. "
Just do one thing. Just one. Name some non biased studies that actually show a problem with piracy over the years. To the point that the artists, that you're supposed to represent in some capacity, are losing money.
"And the industry is changing (Netflix, Hulu, MLB and NBA online) it will take awhile."
It sure doesn't need to. And all of those companies ignore the world market.
"That shouldn't mean anything goes because you can't have whatever you want the moment you want it."
Ok, if those you represent don't want "infringements" don't post up anything. See how much money they lose then.
" And it needs to be paid for too."
Stopping others from enjoying entertainment is a great way to make money for your business. /s
" The shit costs money to produce, like it or not."
So? The industry may still think they're in the DVD business, but that's changing now that hard drives are cheaper and larger. Does that mean the Western Digitals and Seagates should pony up money to Hollywood because they can't get their act together?
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The biggest traffic time for Techdirt? It isn't about copyright, or trademark, or even piracy. No, it was back when the naked scanner at the airport thing was playing out. Since then, the site is in decline.
Much of the traffic comes from the same kids who visit 4chan, read torrent freak, and spend their lives botting up views of their amazing videos on youtube. Very few of those 'tards post here.
Techdirt has found the perfect formula to bring them in, promises of bread and circuses for all. It's a very old method, really.
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Just do one thing. Just one. Name some non biased studies that actually show a problem with piracy over the years. To the point that the artists, that you're supposed to represent in some capacity, are losing money."
Jay please. You know as well as I do that any study I cite will be immediately decried as biased. And any study you put up there will torn apart too.
On another matter, Your mindless advocacy has hit some real high notes recently. I am going to contact Masnick and nominate you for "Lickspittle of the Week". As you know that means your name will be memorialized here under the heading: "Jay's Favorite Techdirt Posts Of The Week". Please consider showing some love for the Knights of the Royal Order of the Brown Nose posts.
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Josh , you're starting to sound an awful lot like the Josh who thinks the government plants mind control devices in people's brains.
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That's the exact point, citizens should have a say in what legislation passes.
"That's wht we elect them to do."
We elect them to vote in our best interest, but who to determine what's in the public interest better than the public? So, yes, the public absolutely should have a say in what bills pass.
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As evidenced by every independent poll on this subject. The industry you shill for loses every time.
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[citation needed]
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It is stealing, because we are being deprived of something we have every right to. They have literally stolen our natural right to copy away from us.
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IOW, you're a failure either because you can't come up with an opinion reasonable enough to convince many people that your opinion is right or because you can't express your opinion well enough to convince others. No one believes your garbage because your opinion is as worthless as you are.
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There are some things money can't buy. Like,
"sophistication". For politicians, there are corporate funds.
By the time you're done, the laws will be passed and you'll still be sitting there wondering what happened.
Oh, we know what's happening, alright.
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