Last Chance For Musicians To Contribute To The Artist Revenue Streams Project

from the do-it-now dept

Thu, Oct 20th 2011 10:24pm — Mike Masnick

Earlier this year, we noted that the Future of Music Coalition was putting together a fascinating project to try to catalog all the different ways that artists are really making money today and to dig into the details of what that means for artists. It's a wonderful project and I'm excited to see the results. The project is almost over and I wanted to do a quick post making sure that any musicians (US-only, I'm afraid) don't miss out on their chance to take part. The FMC folks have put up a post over at Step2 explaining the details (and, yes, FMC is a sponsor of Step2) if you want to understand what this is all about. Or you can just go straight to the survey. Just do it before October 28th.

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Jansher khan, 20 Oct 2011 @ 10:33pm

I observe that today in nusic industry there is great change and i thinge this give me a lot of confidence and tailent
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Oct 2011 @ 10:46pm

I observe that today in techdirt is way too many references to step two. why did you block off the comments in that other post? Didn't want to take the heat here?
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Mike Masnick (profile), 20 Oct 2011 @ 11:16pm

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I observe that today in techdirt is way too many references to step two

This is the only post today that mentioned it. If that's too many, perhaps you ought to go somewhere else.

why did you block off the comments in that other post? Didn't want to take the heat here?

Once again, you demonstrate a failure to actually read as it's explained in the post.
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Anonymous Coward, 20 Oct 2011 @ 11:25pm

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The explaination in the post was a lame way of saying "we want people to sign up and talk over there, rather than here". Seems thing are a little slow over there so far.

Do you think it will be more or less successful than the insight community (which has spent 2+ years dormant)?

The "way too many" comment was intended more as a riff on what the first poster put up. You have your daily step 2 reference going though. Congrats for not getting the joke, I guess.
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Mike Masnick (profile), 21 Oct 2011 @ 2:06am

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The fun thing about you is how you are almost 100% wrong on nearly everything you assume, and yet you're so sure you're right. It's hilarious.
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Marcel de Jong (profile), 21 Oct 2011 @ 2:58am

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Btw, did you pay Jansher Khan for the re-appropriating of the start of his comment, over which he holds copyright? No?! What are you? A freetard?
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Oct 2011 @ 7:02am

Clearly you are all far more awesome and insightful than you are giving yourselves credit for.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Oct 2011 @ 7:42am

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Yet, Mike, you never seem willing to put anything on the table to correct me.

Insight community? All the sponsors seemed to disappear, and this "successful" program died off 2 years ago.

Step 2? Seems you, the kickstart guys, and Amanda Palmer talking to yourselves. Less than a half a dozen active threads, and most of those are one of your group talking to yourself. How many of them are either paid contributors or "owners"?

Oh yeah, let's not forget CbF+RTT: Remind us again of how strong your month to month sales are on this program, and remind us how it wasn't a flash in the pan to fleece money out of your local readers, followed by a quick drop to insignificance to your bottom line.

Sorry Mike, I can only report on what I can see (in the same manner you do). If you want to correct things, if you feel I have made an error, bring some numbers to the table and let us all know what is going on.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Oct 2011 @ 8:37am

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I felt that (a) I was making a parody of his comments, "fair use", and (b) potentially his comment was too short to merit copyright.

Standard Techdirt answers for almost anything.
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Mike Masnick (profile), 21 Oct 2011 @ 10:11am

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Insight community? All the sponsors seemed to disappear, and this "successful" program died off 2 years ago

The core of IC was, from the beginning and always has been about doing research. Much of that is not public.

Step 2? Seems you, the kickstart guys, and Amanda Palmer talking to yourselves. Less than a half a dozen active threads, and most of those are one of your group talking to yourself. How many of them are either paid contributors or "owners"?

No one from Kickstarter has had anything to do with it. Why do you make stuff up. I count 15 active threads. That's pretty amazing for a site that just launched. Traffic numbers are way beyond expectations and growing every day.

No one is a "paid contributor". I've posted a few times and Mike Ho has posted a few times. That's it. The vast majority are people who wandered in.

Oh yeah, let's not forget CbF+RTT: Remind us again of how strong your month to month sales are on this program,

It was -- as stated to you in the past -- an experimental one time program (which actually does still bring in a decent amount of money). We've been busy with these other things, but will be relaunching that soon as well.

Oh yeah: revenue this year: more than double last year.

You make me laugh.
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Oct 2011 @ 10:37am

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Oh Mike...

First off, IC is "not public"? How nice of an excuse. It's not a problem, it's a special secret feature. Got it.

Step two? I see 5 threads with anything in the last day. The rest are dying on the vine already. Most of the threads have 1 to 3 responses, and not much more.

CwF? PLEASE! Share some revenue numbers with us. If you have such a wildly successful business model, why aren't you putting it out there? You have plenty of time to compare protect IP supports to Chinese government policies, but you don't have time to talk about your pet project that, according to your post here, is going bangbusters?

Month by month relative numbers would be nice. After all, if you want to push a business model, bring the info!

What the heck?
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Anonymous Coward, 21 Oct 2011 @ 1:16pm

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Oh cool, you added another locked thread today to try to force people onto step 0. How absolutely classy of you. Shouldn't you mark those posts as "advertisements"?
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Stephan Kinsella (profile), 21 Oct 2011 @ 3:28pm

Without IP
Mike, this Mises Wiki article may be of interest -- Without Intellectual Property

"How would the world look like without Intellectual Property? What are the current success stories and possible alternatives if some or all forms of IP were repealed (or became unenforceable)? "

http://wiki.mises.org/wiki/Without_Intellectual_Property
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Mike Masnick (profile), 21 Oct 2011 @ 6:03pm

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CwF? PLEASE! Share some revenue numbers with us. If you have such a wildly successful business model, why aren't you putting it out there? You have plenty of time to compare protect IP supports to Chinese government policies, but you don't have time to talk about your pet project that, according to your post here, is going bangbusters?

We did a post on all the numbers after we ran the experiment.
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Marcel de Jong (profile), 21 Oct 2011 @ 7:03pm

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Yes, except it wasn't a parody on Jansher's comment, but rather a foolish attack on Techdirt.

And you reappropriated about one third of his comment.

Why should his comment be too short to merit copyright? I never understood that. When you publish something, it's automatically copyrighted, whether it's a three word story or a 5 part novel.
And it's by no means a standard Techdirt answer.
I don't remember Mike or anyone else say anything about something being too short to merit copyright.
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Oct 2011 @ 2:06pm

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Link please. I seem to remember asking for numbers, and getting only a small whiff, and certainly nothing about this year being better.

Tap dance much?
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Anonymous Coward, 22 Oct 2011 @ 2:08pm

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Marcel, once again, I won't spend hours to dig back through techdirt using it's horrible search to try to find things.

As for parody, the slam on techdirt is the parody of the original poster. That Techdirt gets slammed is only the bonus in the game :)
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