Lawsuit Claims Accidental Google Search Led To Years Of Government Investigation And Harrassment
from the so-plausible-yet-so-bizarre dept
We've seen a few lawsuits filed over autocomplete suggestions, but those have all been aimed at Google by people who failed to understand a) how search engines work, and b) the unintended consequences of their actions. Targeting a search engine for unflattering autocomplete suggestions tends to make the problem worse. Each legal effort only results in more stories "confirming" the autocomplete suggestions.
This lawsuit is a bit different. The plaintiff is arguing that an accidental search triggered by an autocomplete suggestion ruined his life. But it's not Google's fault. It's… well, it's pretty much damn near everyone else.
Jeffrey Kantor, who was fired by Appian Corporation, sued a host of government officials, including Attorney General Eric Holder, Director of National Intelligence James Clapper, CIA Director John Brennan, Defense Secretary Chuck Hagel and Secretary of State John Kerry in Federal Court, alleging civil rights violations, disclosure of private information and retaliation…That's a lot of big names, all of which are somehow related to Jeffrey Kantor's errant search, a mistake anyone could have made. But in this era of pervasive surveillance, a mistake may be all it takes.
He also sued Secretary of Energy Ernest Moniz, Acting Secretary of Homeland Security Rand Beers, Treasury Secretary Jacob Lew, EPA Administrator Regina McCarthy and U.S. Office of Personnel Management Director Katherine Archuleta.
"In October of 2009, Kantor used the search engine Google to try to find, 'How do I build a radio-controlled airplane,'" he states in his complaint. "He ran this search a couple weeks before the birthday of his son with the thought of building one together as a birthday present. After typing, 'how do I build a radio controlled', Google auto-completed his search to, 'how do I build a radio controlled bomb.'"From that point on, Kantor alleges coworkers, supervisors and government investigators all began "group stalking" him. Investigators used the good cop/bad cop approach, with the "bad cop" allegedly deploying anti-Semitic remarks frequently. In addition, his coworkers at Appian (a government contractor) would make remarks about regular people committing murder-suicides (whenever Kantor expressed anger) or how normal people just dropped dead of hypertension (whenever Kantor remained calm while being harassed).
Kantor also claims he was intensely surveilled by the government from that point forward.
He claims government officials monitored his book purchases and home computer, and implied that everything he did was being monitored…Kantor alleges this harassment continued long after he lost his job at Appian (who he's currently suing as well). The claims of stalking, harassment and surveillance fill a great deal of the 33-page filing. His suit also claims that personal information obtained through "FISA warrants" was routinely used against him (and repeated back to him) by a number of people -- the so-called "group stalking" or "gang stalking."
Kantor [also] claims the stalking spilled over into his personal life when the government secretly attached a GPS antenna to his car to track him.
Kantor also makes the rather novel claim that the statute of limitations (for incidents over 2 years old) doesn't apply because the exposure of the NSA's PRISM program (which is how the accused apparently gathered much of Kantor's private info) didn't occur until 2013.
Section 223 of the Patriot Act gives citizens two years from the time they discover that their civil rights have been violated to sue. These privacy violations occurred between 2010 and 2013. Many of the privacy violations occurred in the last two years. Other violations that Kantor alleges occurred in 2010 and early 2011, which is beyond 2 years. However, the law says that the timeline is based on when the citizen had a reasonable chance to discover the violation. Since the PRISM program was only declassified in July of 2013, these earlier violations should not be time-barred.All in all, the filing doesn't build a very credible case and comes across more as a paranoiac narrative than a coherent detailing of possible government harassment and surveillance. Here are just a few of the highlights.
One day in 2010, Kantor went to an adult web site from his home computer. The next day at work, a CRGT manager, Tony Buzanca, came up to Kantor, who was working at his computer, bent over and whispered in Kantor's ear, "people who go to pom sites are going to hell." Kantor contends that the government monitored Kantor's internet traffic, disclosed this private information to Buzanca, and had Buzanca repeat it back to Kantor for the purpose of harassment and group stalking. There was no legitimate investigative purpose to this disclosure of Kantor's private information, which must have been obtained through the Patriot Act enabled FISA warrant...
Two days before Kantor requested to be transferred, he drove to a park area of Ft Belvoir after work. He hiked on a trail and retumed to his car, which was in an isolated area (where no one normally parks). There was a van next to his car and there were three men. As Kantor returned to his car, one man said to the other, "He has been here two years 'and he won't quit. I guess he is trying to prove a point." Kantor later discovered that an antenna had been affixed to his Audi A4. The government must have been using GPS tracking to track Kantor and the stalkers were using this GPS information to follow Kantor around and stalk him…
Kantor had driven to lunch with his Appian manager, Mike Kang. Mike Kang asked Kantor what movies his wife likes. Kantor answered and politely asked Mike Kang what movies his wife likes. Kang stated that his wife likes "the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" and the "Harry Potter" movies. Kantor thought that this was strange since at the time the only version of "the Girl with the Dragon Tattoo" that existed was in Swedish and Harry Potter was a kids' movie. Kantor also thought this was disturbing because those were the exact two books that he was reading, and he had borrowed these books from his local library. The second book Kantor was reading to his son…
As Kantor left work that afternoon, he was followed by an African-American man in a suit. The man sat across from Kantor on the Metro train. At the West Falls Church exit, which is one stop before the Dunn Loring exit, the man got up and started screaming at the top of his lungs at Kantor, "You respect my privacy, I'll respect your privacy, bitch!" He screamed this around five times at Kantor at the top of his lungs, and then got off the train right as the doors were about to close...
[Kantor' boss] also sent Kantor an email that said, "It's the end of the world as we know it." Kantor forwarded the email to his house. The next day he showed his father, Lawrence Kantor Jr, the email, with the title, "It's the End of the World as We Know It" and Kantor's browser history, which showed that he had emailed for the chords and lyrics to REM's "It's the end of the World as We Know It" the night before his manager sent him the email. This group stalking had occurred hundreds if not thousands of times, but this was an instance where there was digital proof and a witness on Kantor's side that had seen it in action…
Kantor in this very draft alleged that he was being wrongly investigated as a terrorist and complained overhearing his coworkers saying that his car was being searched for an AK--47. In the evening of 8/5/2013, a Vienna police officer walked into the volunteer office and said to Kantor and the three other volunteers in the room, "So this is where all the terrorists hang out. I am going to go look for an AK-47." The police officer then left. He said nothing prior to this comment and nothing after it. Kantor had never seen the police officer before or hence. This illustrates that the privacy violations and group stalking are still occurring. Is Kantor supposed to Contact the town police and complain that police officers are stalking him (which is a crime that they themselves like the FBI are supposed to be preventing, instead of engaging in)?Kantor has retained Christopher Swift of Swift & Swift, an attorney who apparently specializes in patent law, to represent him in this lawsuit against several government officials. The lawsuit seeks $13.8 million in compensatory damages and $45 million in statutory damages, as well as an injunction against the government to prevent it from further stalking him.
But that's not all!
The lawsuit also asks the judge to find that the PATRIOT Act is unconstitutional and illegal and order the FBI to turn over all calls and contacts where violations of the PATRIOT Act are alleged to the DoJ and the administration's "privacy advocate."
Now, there are a couple of ways of looking at this. Kantor may have undiagnosed mental issues which have led him to believe everyone (at several consecutive jobs) is out to get him and has access to his personal info. Certainly, the idea that the government has access to all of this info is less dubious than it was back in 2009 when the harassment allegedly began, but the rambling nature of this filing (which was apparently written with the assistance of an attorney) sounds a bit more like unhinged near-ravings than a blow-by-blow account of long-term harassment.
On the other hand, there would be no better way for the government to harass someone out of the workforce (while maintaining plausible deniability) than to create a situation so over the top and ridiculous that it instantly strips the victim of all credibility. So, there's that to consider as well.
The alleged starting point (the wrong Google search) is also not that far off either, as far as that goes. With certain keywords triggering NSA activity, it's not exactly paranoid to express a concern that a few erroneous searches could result in some sustained surveillance.
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EEEK!
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Oh, that's just the Google haters heads exploding.
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Better Search
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Now just imagine what intended harassment would be.
Google is in advertising, not freedom. Advertising is commercial propaganda full of deceit.
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I disagree, unless you are already being investigated for something, no-one is going to give a crap what you search for on Google.
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Heh, I love how he found it "odd" that his friend's wife liked Harry Potter, a "kid's movie". My parents like the books, and the movies too, so it's not at all odd that an adult would like them. And this man is reading a VERY popular book to his kid the same time the movies are out? WOW! STOP THE PRESSES!
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This kind of stuff makes ME paranoid. When I imagine someone who has gone through extensive surveillance and abuse, I imagine they would behave much like the stereotype of a crazy paranoid person. Not all of this guys stories have to be literally true. If he was surveilled for some time by some means and he was made aware of it, this would certainly lead to him beginning to see it everywhere. The human brain is pattern oriented and planting that seed can have severe results.
Just as Jeremy bentham's Pent Octagon would not require full time jailors, because the inmates would not know if they were being watched. The idea of being persistently watched affects people's behavior. All it would take is a timely confirmation (legitimate surveillance on this guy by some government spook) every now and then to keep this guys mind wrapped up in the feeling/idea that he was being watched.
This is what makes me worry about this sort of government abuse. I do not believe any outsider or anyone not intimately involved in the situation could reliably judge the validity of these type of allegations. I would even be skeptical to dismiss them if a Psychiatrist declared this guy insane. Because that diagnosis was made after years of possible surveillance and abuse.
Scary business...
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paranoia
The way the "intelligence community" gets AWAY with stalking and harassing people, is to have what is called a Psychiatric Reprisal done on their targets, they will do things that are so crazy, when the target tells the police, they immediately know what is going on, and they KNOW to have that label put on them, as soon as possible. Being a Targeted Individual is like being destroyed, there is a coordinated effort to destroy you. It's not a mental illness, but see how easy it would be to say it is? They Jews were called Paranoid too, prisoners at Abu Ghraib were called Paranoid. My GREAT AUNT was called paranoid, LABELED as Paranoid Schizophrenic by a DOCTOR, when she said she was DROPPED and her leg broke! They REFUSED to look into it, and put her on Anti-psychotics. I insisted, I took her out of there and took her to another nursing home, and got an X-Ray done, guess what, her leg was broken. So Doctors will use this label for anything, they will certainly go along with anything the police tell them to do. It has been done forever, it's an old Soviet tactic, Hitler used it, it is used in Jihad, as well. COVERT HARASSMENT.
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it makes me sad, hopefully the guy gets some sort of something for it unfortunately the world runs on ignorance and corruption, not justice
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Dick himself wrote letters to the FBI about a Moscow directed plot to control science fiction. He got the feeling from the first responses that the FBI was brushing him off. He ended up writing more letters but not sending them. Instead, he put them in an addressed and stamped envelope and threw them in the trash. His reasoning was that "The authorities will receive the letter if, and only if, they are spying on him."
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Searching
Also, did he click on any of the returned links or did he immediately redo the search with the correct terms?
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total bullshit
autocomplete works on the frequency of use, so unless thousands of people types in 'how do you build a radio controlled bomb' (didn't happen), This is yet another bullshit story that Masnick wants to use to support his "IHateEverythingGov.com" mentality.
No wonder no one believes you anymore Masnick, you've lost all credibility. Lets hope you get some help with that unnatural hatred you have, it's getting to be a problem for you. (BTW: Get out and get some sun, you look sick)..
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Tim, Does it bother you that the cranks don't always credit you?
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Damn, why do I let these fucking trolls get to me and waste my time answering them. Giving them just what they want.
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Try it.
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NSA understand this, almost everyone with any technical knowledge knows this, why does masnick not question this, and do you think the NSA would care anyway, or would understand making a bomb detonate by radio is no different than making a bomb with a locally controlled switch ?
But its' "hategovalways.com" here now, so truth and facts have no place here. Just 'rageAtTheSystem.com'.
Oh and does you beloved Google routinely give their search results to NSA? is that not an issue for you M I C... K E Y. 'IHAVEGOV.ORG' ?
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darryl just hates it when due process is enforced.
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In case anyone was wondering what the clinical term for it was:
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A jew sues his fellow jews
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I know in the states certain levels of derangement traditionally get treated in a different way with services such as fox news feeding the fear and paranoia of afflicted individuals but even by the so much lower standards of that poor country this man's issues are still clearly more in need of medical assistance than public ridicule.
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PsyOps
The Federal Government would never condone the use of standard psyop techniques for half a decade on a civilian government employee over a single Google search for remote controlled bombs, at a cost of millions of tax-payer dollars, because...
Oh wait a minute. We're talking about the US Federal Government...
Never mind.
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http://www.kansas.com/2013/12/13/3176861/wichita-news-conference-set-friday.html
This doesn't appear to be some entrapment setup like some cases in the past. This guy was very enthusiastic about his plans. Here is the criminal complaint:
http://media.kansas.com/smedia/2013/12/13/13/41/hZFE9.So.80.pdf
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"chatting with an agent pretending to be Al-Qaeda."
While I fail to see the connection between this and the situation in the article above, I cannot help but wonder why you would feel that "this case" you posted about was not an entrapment situation, "like some cases in the past."
The standard FBI entrapment process is to find someone who blogs/speaks-out about their hatred of the US Fed, and then contact him pretending to be a Terrorist Group willing to set him up with bombs and contacts.
Once hooked, the FBI then supplies the fool with a carload of fake explosives and sends the fool to meet with an FBI agent posing as the contact for the Terrorist Group.
Then with great fanfare and public notification, the FBI swoops in on the fool and arrests him, claiming one more terrorist plot foiled.
If you eliminate this type of entrapment arrest from the FBI's total of Terrorist Plots Foiled To Date, you end up with 2 - the same 2 the NSA claims they foiled using their global snoop and scoop programs.
The case you posted about fits this bill precisely.
Is it merely wishful thinking that makes you want this case to not be entrapment?
As an aside. It is highly unlikely that living people actually monitor the Google Search phrase imput of the world, and it is highly likely that a computer program does this task.
It is also highly likely that this program flags EVERY search that includes the word "bomb" anb/or the phrase "remote controlled" - among a zillion other trigger words and phrases.
Once flagged, it is reported to a human operative who then sets into motion whatever process policy dictates, whether the flag includes more than one instance of the search or not, since one search is all that is needed for a would-be terrorist to get the information desired.
Did this point cross your mind at all?
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Won't somebody think of the children!
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Manufacturing FBI terrorist plots hollywood style.
Well, that's different. If your crystal ball tells you he was a bad guy, then its obvious your crystal ball has been equally efficient in labelling the man the article was about with perfect precision. I bow to your superior methodology. (sarcasm)
For the record, these utter idiots who post their plans of revenge/glory on line, all seek assistance in making bombs and all make claims of what they plan to do with those bombs, and who they plan to kill with those bombs, and always include themselves as victims - that's the perk that attracts such idiots to the whole terrorist shtick in the first place - martyrdom.
How else did you think the FBI finds them?
It is the claims, plans and desires stated by these morons that lets the FBI know how and where and when to set up their entrapment snares - what Terrorist Groups they should pretend to be and what to say when making contact with the idiot cum wanna-be terrorista.
While I think it may indeed be pertinent to entrap them and get them off the street and into some sort of mental institution or at least get them medical treatment for their mental illness, I deny the validity of the FBI claiming to have foiled a Terrorist Plot upon their arrest.
The "plot" was entirely the creation of the FBI.
Methinks it is also a lot harder than you seem to believe, to find and contact a real terrorist group from inside the USA. Real terrorists are never as stupid as these FBI promotional plot patsies.
If it was otherwise, the FBI would be busy trying to foil hundreds, if not thousands of real plots every year and would have no time to entrap morons into playing patsy for their public relations promotional games.
Instead, they are so desperate for real terrorist plots, that half of the "plots" (1 of 2) they claim to have foiled was a taxi-driver sending money overseas to a listed terrorist group.
Methinks you simply want to maintain your fantasy about the FBI being the good guys. Good luck with that.
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Re: Manufacturing FBI terrorist plots hollywood style.
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There was absolutely nothing stopping law enforcement from removing this guy from circulation after any of his many foolish endeavours - such as being caught at an airport with a gun.
The only reason this dipshit was still walking the streets and planning his plots against the monster, was because he was the perfect patsy for another FBI public relations scam.
The FBI and other law enforcement officials allowed this man to remain at large after numerous incidents of mal-intent, specifically so they could use him for their own benefit.
Now which is the more nefarious - a moron trying to bomb his way into fame and glory, or a law enforcement agency willing to allow such morons to run loose so they can use them as promotional photo-ops to make a corrupted agency appear as though it was still made up of good guys?
Because the FBI is willing to risk public lives in order to gain public confidence by allowing dangerous fools to roam free, I have no difficulty at all in believing that it and its kindred 3 letter agencies would use years of PsyOps on a suspected bomb maker they wanted to force into doing something stupid - for the same purpose, public relations promotion.
Power corrupts.
Power and non-accountability corrupts completely.
Corrupted power protected by law is the epitome of evil.
Bad men are still bad men even if they do wear white hats.
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You could be right, but could it also possibly be that they wanted an absolutely solid case against him to put him away for good? Writing emails about a terror attack could get you arrested but how much time would he get for that compared to taking him down at the airport gate with what he thought was a real bomb? Some smart lawyer might get him reduced charges and time if all he did was write about it. The O.J. dream team couldn't get this guy off now. He is gone for good. Keeping him focused on this car bomb mission could keep him occupied until they could really get the goods on him.
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can't say
I've seen too many of those things happen in my lifetime. I remember my dad, a WWII vet, telling me that the US "would never torture a prisoner", and "would never assassinate" or "doesn't target civilians" or "doesn't spy on Americans who haven't committed a crime" or...
I never dismiss out of hand any outrageous assertion about our government's (or some private contractor's) misbehavior.
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Methinks it is the inability of the population to admit that they have been invaded and conquered by the nastiest members of their own population, that will spell the utlimate dissolution of the United States.
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Nah.
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I must have missed all the other incidents where folks sued a mazillion officials and asked for federal laws to be overturned....
Can ye refresh me memory a tad??
Just the number of such occurences in the last ten years would suffice methinks.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vexatious_litigation
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I imagine it will be near impossible for Kantor to secure employment. The government also likes to "black list" a person's background check information. Making it nearly impossible for poor Kantor to find a new employer that will hire him.
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His mental health is obviously impaired and I'm certain that institutionalization would have been a cinch, especially if they were monitoring him regularly since his aberrant behaviour began.
Whether they wanted a perfect case against him or not, using the public as bait is not exactly the original job description of the FBI.
To do this sort of thing repeatedly, while out in the real world, not a single REAL in-country Terrorist Plot materializes, makes it appear - to me at least - as though the FBI has been charged with promoting the Terrorist Under The Bed Boogey Man Scare necessary to keep the War on Terrorists going, by manufacturing homegrown terrorists out of irate citizens.
I've said it before but its worth repeating:
Anti-American Terrorists do not exist because Americans own SUVs and flat screen TVs. They exist because American Business uses the American Military to invade small countries to steal their resources, or to do whatever happens to be necessary to insure the profits of American Industry.
If you want to stop terrorists, stop bombing their countries into the dark ages and killing all their able bodied men.
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Believing the man to be a would be bomber, allows the agency to use any and all means to force him into doing something they can use against him.
Pschological warfare is designed to cause your enemy to make mistakes they would otherwise not make. It is literally a process designed to drive someone or some group crazy.
Since the American Public has been reclassified as the enemy, it is now perfectly legal to use these methods on american civilians, just as it is now perfectly legal for a federal agency to kidnap an american citizen and ship him off to a foreign country and then torture him and even eventually kill him, all without due process.
Those of you who are paying attention may have noticed that on quite a few occasions now, federal spook agencies have literally told the courts to shove their demands where the sun doesn't shine, when they are told to obey the law.
As long as the fed considers itself at war with its domestic adversary, it will only get worse for the US citizenry.
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how search engines work
a) How search engines work, and
b) The unintended consequences of their actions. Targeting a search engine for unflattering autocomplete suggestions tends to make the problem worse. Each legal effort only results in more stories "confirming" the autocomplete suggestions.
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Changing times
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Vexatious Litigation?
I'll assume this, because the response does not answer the query, but instead directs me to read a description of a common legal "shenanigan".
The Wiki page you posted a link to referenses Vexatious Litigation.
"Vexatious litigation is legal action which is brought, regardless of its merits, solely to harass or subdue an adversary. It may take the form of a primary frivolous lawsuit or may be the repetitive, burdensome, and unwarranted filing of meritless motions in a matter which is otherwise a meritorious cause of action. Filing vexatious litigation is considered an abuse of the judicial process and may result in sanctions against the offender."
Copied directly from the Wiki site.
The man's efforts are meant to reign in an out-of-control federal agency that he claims has used psyops on him for years after a Google Search Auto-fill process placed the word "bomb" instead of the words "model airplanes" (as he had intended) after his imput of the words "building remote controlled".
He is not attempting to harrass or subdue the agency via meritless motions.
The only way to prevent the agency from continuing the program of psychological warfare is to have the laws that make such attacks on American citizens legal, changed or removed.
Do you claim that Google Search is NOT perpetually computer monitored by federal spooks, specifically hoping to catch precisiely this sort of search input by would-be terrorists??
The American Military has used psychological warfare on its enemies since it made its first enemies. Today, the american public has been re-classified as the "adversary" - look that up on Wiki.
For real vexatious litigation, see the articles here on the copyright trolls, Prenda Law.
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Re: Vexatious Litigation?
If you use the "reply to this" link it would make your conversation easier to follow. It also may help if you switch to threaded mode using the link at the top of the page.
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Thank you for the "threaded mode" suggestion. I had not realized such existed. I've always had difficulty following posts on TechDirt as they appear one after the other with no real link to the messages they respond to except the title.
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...something fishy....
When typing into a text field on line, is the text that is typed into the box monitorable prior to hitting Return, or clicking on the Search button??
In other words, can the text I type into a text field be read remotely as I type it, or do I have to "enter" the finished text before it can be read by a computerized monitor?
It just occured to me that even if the Auto-Complete process did indeed place the word "bombs" after the words "remote controlled", the typer would still need to enter the words "model airplanes" to complete his query prior to hitting the search button.
Even if he did not notice the Auto-complete insertion of the word "bombs", his finished query string should have then read "building remote controlled bombs model airplanes".
There is no apparent circumstance where he would have hit enter or clicked the search button immediately after the auto-complete addition of the word "bombs" and thus the only way the Spooks could have read "building remote controlled bombs" would be if they could read the input as it was typed into the box, or if the man had indeed typed "building remote controlled bombs" and then clicked on the search button.
Methinks I might have to retract my defense. :)
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Google knows what you're typing before you hit enter. Those autocomplete suggestions come from their servers. Since the NSA is trapping basically all internet traffic, they likely have access to it as well.
Even if he did not notice the Auto-complete insertion of the word "bombs", his finished query string should have then read "building remote controlled bombs model airplanes".
I think what happened is he clicked or hit enter on the first suggestion before realizing it said "bomb".
There is no apparent circumstance where he would have hit enter or clicked the search button immediately after the auto-complete addition of the word "bombs"
Why?
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"Why?"
When typing into a search engine, it is unlikely that anyone would assume that the auto-complete would choose the right insertion when what you're looking for has numerous types - remote control; planes, boats, cars, trucks, toys, helicopters, rockets, home-lighting, garage doors, lawn-lights, etc., and I would assume that even a bad typist like me, who needs to watch the keyboard as they type, would still look at the screen after typing "remote controlled" and notice that the word "bombs" was not the words "model airplanes", before hitting Search.
A really bad typist - one who looks at the screen only after the whole search string was typed in - would likely not notice the auto-complete insertion at all and continue typing the words "model airplanes" after the word "bomb", resulting in a search string "remote controlled bombs model airplanes".
The only reason I can think of to type "Remote Controlled" by itself, and then hit enter/search, would be if I just wanted info on all types of remote controlled items indescriminately and according to the man's claims, he was specifically after a remote controlled model airplane for his son.
While I admit it is possible, I just find the "error" difficult to perceive.
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I think you're underestimating the stupidity of some people. :-)
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I wish that were true. However, humanity's own actions throughout history has insured my realization that stupidity and ignorance are the two most common aspects of human nature world wide. While I place the blame for this squarely at the feet of Society/Culture - programming by the rich for the benefit of the rich - it is nonetheless the most unavoidable aspect of the species.
I simply don't see this situation - the nasty search string - as being caused by stupidity.
Carelessness perhaps - but even that is a stretch.
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It was indeed the Auto-Complete process itself that got me thinking about whether the spooks can read as you type.
Given that information, it is quite possible that the man saw the auto-complete insertion and deleted the word "bombs", finishing the string properly with "model airplanes", and the computerized snoop and scoop recording of the event would still maintain a copy of the string that included the word "bombs", triggering the cointelpro by the spooks.
Now that's a scenario I can perceive readily.
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While it is indeed somewhat suspect that:
a. "Bombs" would be the first selection in a Goodle Search Auto-complete's criteria for possible insertions after "Remote Contolled" and
b. that anyone would actually trust an auto-complete to select the type of remote controlled item to search for and
c. that anyone would hit search after reading the word "Bombs" inserted into their search string...
- the simple fact that the NSA snoop and scoop computers can easily record what you type as you type it, does lend credence to the idea that - IF - the auto-complete added the word "Bombs", there would indeed be a copy made by the NSA S&S system of the search string reading "remote controlled bombs".
I assume that ANYONE, ANYWHERE on earth who would type such a string into a google search box would immediately and automatically be put on the NSA's "bad-guys to watch" list.
Anyone working for the US government would come under special scrutiny and anyone who met certain internal criteria would be open for cointelpro implementation.
The real problem here is that the FBI, NSA, CIA, ETC., have proven themselves to be deceptive to the max, over-reaching in every way possible, irresponsible and incapable of respect for the laws of the land and they have shown that they hold the privacy of their fellow Americans and the citizens of the rest of the world in utter contempt.
There is very little I would not expect them to do to get their way and weasel out of criminal charges.
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Red flags everywhere
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This guy has a mental illness
To a schizophrenic, random and simple events become part of a bigger conspiracy. Did a guy on a subway really yell that phrase five times? Or was he singing loudly to himself, but was interpreted to become part of the larger "conspiracy". And, of course, any random conversation also gets woven into the conspiracy, even if it's about something trivial.
If I were the lawyer, I'd get this guy the mental help he needs instead of starting a lawsuit... then again, as we all know, some lawyers will take any case just for the money or attention. Maybe the guy doesn't have a case and maybe the lawyer thinks he can use this as a way to make bad laws illegal.
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The idea is ancient and effective; make your enemy appear to be a lunatic, and no matter what he says about you or about anything else, nobody will listen because people will think the victim is just crazy. Its even better when the process actually results in driving your target insane.
The bonus here is that the methods used to accomplish this goal will appear to those who hear about them, to be beyond anything anyone would actually do, increasing the public disbelief in the "ravings" of the victim.
This is even moreso when the actions are being done by what is widely perceived as the "Good Guys".
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The reasons that people who complain of harassment inflicted upon them by the public sector intelligence and security industry have schizophrenia diagnoses like your "friend" does, is that complaining of such harassment on its own is enough to precipitate a schizophrenia diagnosis.
You describe accurately how those with heightened anxiety how commonly misinterpret innocent coincidences as sinister. But your observation gets us no closer to ascertaining in any individual case, whether the misinterpretation is endogenous and accounts for the whole of the perception of harassment of a self-claimed victim who is not being persecuted at all (it is "paranoia"), or the misinterpretation is exogenous (it is "hyper-vigilance" induced by sensitisation) and only accounts for an exaggerated perception of the extent of the harassment, on the part of a victim who is actually being harassed to some extent, though perhaps not as severely as he imagines.
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The truth
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Counterintelligence Subversion
The most comprehensive archive of mainstream news reports on the subject is at a site called "Fight Gang Stalking."
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Before my harassment, I also would have been skeptical...
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organized gang stalking
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organized gang stalking
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Organized Government Stalking
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Organized Government Stalking
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this shit is true and is happening to me
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Neighborhood Watch - aka - Gangstalking
This is coming from Lauderdale, Minnesota
The funny thing is, at the closing table the sellers agent blurted out how tnobody ever stays there very long because the neighborhood watch is out of control.
I guess he was referring to the old secret vigilante one operating underneath the radar, but with the go ahead of the police.
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proof its schizophrenia
but who cares that hes innocent... as long as its not happening to me
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Not so long ago I would have said exactly that. Now it doesn't seem entirely far-fetched. Not that I would take that story at face value, but it doesn't sound totally impossible anymore.
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John G Trolling Perpetrator
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errant google search
just incase someone was joking, or spell check,
or google search filled in a different parameter.
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People involved in counterintelligence are criminals
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random reply
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I don't know why anyone and police have been following me.
How should I do? and How did you Sue them?
Because they've been following me everything even Facebook and google search.
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From Personal Experience
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goverment gansters
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google autocomplete
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Research organized gang stalking and you will find one of the best answers EVER as to what it is just above my comment,by Mr Boneyard.
All LEO's from the CIA to DEA/FBI and the trickle down to local LEO's at the city level historically do it to their own throughout history, as a way to enforce conformity, but also to enforce a common 'morality' i.e. Jewishchristianity, and under the 9/11 it spilled out to everyone, everywhere.
And Boneyard notes some of the most targeted individuals are those who faced:
"trial by jury and acquittal/dismissal, any sex offender accusation (even public urination) or worse, beating the police at their own game or having them think you've gotten away with something are all good points from which to start when looking for answers"
This is the new America under the DHS rubric- a constant entrapment scheme, a constant attempt to build/justify the private prison system under the theory that you are guilty of SOMETHING and someone must pay the price for the bloat in the courts, police budgets, and the child kidnapping systems of CPS and foster care, etc. It really is primarily a side effect of the domestic war, that is under reported.
It mostly targets the poor, the activists, the dissidents and dissenters-but especially targets whistle blowers and those who catch the police doing dirt (the kid who took the famous photo's of Eric Garner being strangled to death, Ramsey Orta was gang stalked until they had something, or put something on him.)
Many mass shooters, and those who work in the security industry, government, or alternative media report being gang stalked, mobbed and harassed-Omar Mateen, Sayed Farook, Gavin Long, Myron May- all reported specific incidents, and specific police officers before they went on their rampages.
The whole thing is about the vast amounts of money the fed and its bankster buddies are putting out to create and recreate their establishment/neo-establishment version of the 'new world order' and so on, and not without irony, the 'community policing' initiatives are used from InfraGard, to Citizen Corps, police recruits, to Boys and Girls clubs, and Rotary club members, and military types who all participate in this version of a 'moral' and "organized" society.
Cuz "it's for the children," they tell us. So, innocent doesn't mean innocent to these people unless it's a kid who they can indoctrinate into their version of "organized society", and collect a state check for(foster parents get 800 per month per kid)and anyone else who gets caught in the 'system' is fair game for constant harassment.
Or, this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Youth
As Boneyard said- child support enforcers will stalk fathers to death, to crime, or to prison, as women who have all the resources and support hold their kids hostage or collect state money. By design, gang stalking is a conformity enforcement scheme that deserves more press.
The DHS finances gang stalking with 70 billion per year to 'order' our society via these organized and targeted campaigns of terror waged against those who dissent, or challenge the statism they are trying to force upon a free nation, which is in theory, beholden to our Constitution; but in practice has nearly been eradicated.
And others who pay for organized stalking are the 'community' organizations and NGO's that get grants and donations, especially for causes that claim to benefit women and children. So, for instance, free agency sex workers who support themselves often incur hidden internet trolls, and extra police harassment from all of those well heeled 'save the sex workers' groups.
And one of the best current examples is how the British intel agencies are distributing child porn world wide, and then, waging the 'save the kids from human trafficking!!!" campaign. Never let the left hand know what the right hand is doing, I guess...
But there are different types of organized stalking, and not every case is the same. The gay, black journalist who was mobbed at work by white, Christian co-anchors who had ties to law enforcement was an example where many types of stalking played in- and even now, black and Hispanic journalists are revisiting the issue and refusing to adopt language such as "the worst mass shooting in history!" because so many of the targeted individuals are minorities; and because worse mass shootings have occured (think "Wounded Knee" or "Rosewood Massacre."
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/black-and-hispanic-journalists-clarify-use-of-mas s-shooting-language-2135419.htm
Good work Boneyard- where did you get your data? I have thousands of hours of research; films, photos, and documentation on this subject.
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Its called organized gang stalking
It all starts in Fusion Centers and dossiers' that we see more prevalent today(even in political elections now).
First they came for the gang stalking target online, and I said nothing. Now, "they" have all your kids data in a database in Utah-and have given it over to 16 American agencies and te FiveEyes nations-and STILL you say nothing?
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Electronic harassment gang stalking
In October 2015 i posted one comment on Taylor swift's Facebook in Peru Indiana. in March 2016 i was in Nashville walking down the street and look over and Taylor's sitting at a green light staring at me? I was there literally ten minutes! I had only used Facebook that one day it had an incomplete profile and no picture? In December 2017 just before the jingle bell ball Taylor block's me on Twitter then four days later she unblocked me? The next thing i tweed to her was " bless your little heart you unblocked me what's your motive"
I was standing on the street corner across from the FedEx store caddy corner from the boot store in down town nashville when i saw Taylor staring at me she had her driver stop and they just sat there in the center lane! I google mapped that street corner and found seven camera's including a police camera! I sent the camera still shots to Taylor in an e-mail before she blocked me on Twitter and unblocked me! She was well aware i saw her!
After i got on Facebook in October 2015 i started doing artwork creative writing and poetry? Don't know where it's coming from! When i posted thoes comments i knew absolutely nothing about either of them! I find a lot of shady things about Taylor but gaga doesn't seem to have any Shadyside!
My ideas " hard to much live action cell floor productions " and " love bound films " also " monsters under my bed art pop culture studio and performing arts center " i do creative writing art work and poetry!
The vision for monsters under my bed L.A.
So hard to munch bar and grill. a art studio with an instructor for developmentally disabled people to do art work. gift shop. museum with art and musician memorabilia. Starbucks. a recording studio. stage for performing arts and concerts.
I was listening to tiny dancer by Elton John when i came up with "monsters under my bed L.A." they call lady gaga mother monster! Taylor swift is jealous!
Back in June 2016 i sent Taylor swift a couple stories i wrote;) one was a description of Lucifers throne in outer darkness and I've been working on an Egyptian cartoon it just happens to have an enchanted cobra in it;) also a couple days after Kim Kardashian was robbed i spread a rumor Taylor robbed Kim;) how many things can she claim are coincident? Part of story behind "look what you made me do" Taylor's video released in 2017.
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I’m being targeted V2K religiously for 9 months now no stop almost every second of the day with the same phrases constantly. I don’t even know what I did and why I deserve it. This is the evilest torture I’ve ever seen. These evil governments are soo corrupt and beyond evil we need to stop them and take back our lives we deserve. This is the land of the free, not the land of the government. I prey this gets out and full
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the more the get on list the more money they get
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NewTactics at Neighborhood Perp Watch
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In 2015 I worked at a large security firm and similar tactics were done to me. They would refer to conversations I'd had at home and on my cell phone the night before, things I bought on amazon, and health issues I researched on google. My computer at work was also watched, either by screen view or key logging, I know because I tested it several times - I typed very unusual things, listened and heard the group behind me laughing and talking about what I typed. I brought it up with my boss, who was coincidentally never around when this happened, my computer was checked and a smirking IT rep said nothing was wrong. Stuff kept happening. I later found out the last person to have my computer was someone from the group who wanted me out.
As to what I did? Not sure, I just know two other people wanted the job I was hired for. I believe their intent was to drive me out. The person who wanted my job the most would loudly talk on the phone about topics I had discussed on my cell phone with my husband the night before. It eventually worked. I left. The creep out factor was intense. No amount of money would make me want to work there. Unhealthy environment, old CEO went to prison, microphones installed above tables in cafeteria in full view. I had always worked in highly professional environments and this place was a train wreck.
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