Appeals Court Gives Google A Clear And Total Fair Use Win On Book Scanning

from the move-on-already dept

The Authors Guild's never-ending lawsuit against Google for its book scanning project has been hit with yet another blow. The 2nd Circuit appeals court has told the Authors Guild (once again) that Google's book scanning is transformative fair use. This is not a surprise. Though this case has gone through many twists and turns, a few years ago it was also before the 2nd Circuit on a separate issue (over the appropriateness of it being a class action lawsuit) and the 2nd Circuit panel ignored that question, saying that it shouldn't even matter because it seemed like this was fair use. Thus it was sent back to the district court, where Judge Danny Chin correctly said that the scanning was fair use. That ruling was appealed, and the AG trotted out some truly nutty legal theories (arguing that it wasn't fair use because someone like Aaron Swartz might hack into Google's computers and free the books).

These arguments did not work. The 2nd Circuit has affirmed the lower court ruling and given another nice appellate ruling establishing the importance of fair use -- and a reminder that, yes, commercial uses can still be fair use:
Google’s making of a digital copy to provide a search function is a transformative use, which augments public knowledge by making available information about Plaintiffs’ books without providing the public with a substantial substitute for matter protected by the Plaintiffs’ copyright interests in the original works or derivatives of them. The same is true, at least under present conditions, of Google’s provision of the snippet function. Plaintiffs’ contention that Google has usurped their opportunity to access paid and unpaid licensing markets for substantially the same functions that Google provides fails, in part because the licensing markets in fact involve very different functions than those that Google provides, and in part because an author’s derivative rights do not include an exclusive right to supply information (of the sort provided by Google) about her works. Google’s profit motivation does not in these circumstances justify denial of fair use. Google’s program does not, at this time and on the record before us, expose Plaintiffs to an unreasonable risk of loss of copyright value through incursions of hackers. Finally, Google’s provision of digital copies to participating libraries, authorizing them to make non-infringing uses, is non-infringing, and the mere speculative possibility that the libraries might allow use of their copies in an infringing manner does not make Google a contributory infringer. Plaintiffs have failed to show a material issue of fact in dispute.
There are some really great statements in the ruling, which isn't a huge surprise, given that it was done by Judge Pierre Leval, who has written some of the most thoughtful things about fair use. For example, he clearly and directly notes that the purpose of copyright is to benefit the public:
The ultimate goal of copyright is to expand public knowledge and understanding, which copyright seeks to achieve by giving potential creators exclusive control over copying of their works, thus giving them a financial incentive to create informative, intellectually enriching works for public consumption. This objective is clearly reflected in the Constitution’s empowerment of Congress “To promote the Progress of Science . . . by securing for limited Times to Authors . . . the exclusive Right to their respective Writings.” U.S. Const., Art. I, § 8, cl. 8) (emphasis added). Thus, while authors are undoubtedly important intended beneficiaries of copyright, the ultimate, primary intended beneficiary is the public, whose access to knowledge copyright seeks to advance by providing rewards for authorship.
This, of course, is the same argument that we've made here in the past many times (often mocked by copyright extremists). Notice that the section of the Constitutional copyright clause that Leval chose to highlight is the ever-important "to promote the progress" language. In a footnote, Leval similarly notes that UK copyright law actually comes with a similar preamble: "for the Encouragement of Learning."

From there, Leval has a short discussion on the history of fair use, and the key Supreme Court rulings on it, before jumping into the necessary four factors, which is carefully written and nuanced. It's worth reading in its entirety, but a few snippets. First, the court finds that the use of search here makes the Google books program transformative:
the purpose of Google’s copying of the original copyrighted books is to make available significant information about those books, permitting a searcher to identify those that contain a word or term of interest, as well as those that do not include reference to it. In addition, through the ngrams tool, Google allows readers to learn the frequency of usage of selected words in the aggregate corpus of published books in different historical periods. We have no doubt that the purpose of this copying is the sort of transformative purpose described in Campbell as strongly favoring satisfaction of the first factor.
Then there's the question of whether Google's snippet view is fair use, and again, the court finds that it is:
Google’s division of the page into tiny snippets is designed to show the searcher just enough context surrounding the searched term to help her evaluate whether the book falls within the scope of her interest (without revealing so much as to threaten the author’s copyright interests). Snippet view thus adds importantly to the highly transformative purpose of identifying books of interest to the searcher. With respect to the first factor test, it favors a finding of fair use
But, you say, Google is a big for-profit business, and doing this to make money, so how can that be fair use? By this point, we've debunked the "commercial use can't be fair use" myth so many times on Techdirt it almost doesn't seem worth repeating, but since people always bring it up... here's what the court says:
While we recognize that in some circumstances, a commercial motivation on the part of the secondary user will weigh against her, especially, as the Supreme Court suggested, when a persuasive transformative purpose is lacking... we see no reason in this case why Google’s overall profit motivation should prevail as a reason for denying fair use over its highly convincing transformative purpose, together with the absence of significant substitutive competition, as reasons for granting fair use. Many of the most universally accepted forms of fair use, such as news reporting and commentary, quotation in historical or analytic books, reviews of books, and performances, as well as parody, are all normally done commercially for profit.
On the second factor (the nature of the work) the court notes that it's somewhat unimportant here, but still leans towards fair use.
While each of the three Plaintiffs’ books in this case is factual, we do not consider that as a boost to Google’s claim of fair use. If one (or all) of the plaintiff works were fiction, we do not think that would change in any way our appraisal. Nothing in this case influences us one way or the other with respect to the second factor considered in isolation. To the extent that the “nature” of the original copyrighted work necessarily combines with the “purpose and character” of the secondary work to permit assessment of whether the secondary work uses the original in a “transformative” manner, as the term is used in Campbell, the second factor favors fair use not because Plaintiffs’ works are factual, but because the secondary use transformatively provides valuable information about the original, rather than replicating protected expression in a manner that provides a meaningful substitute for the original.
Factor three (the amount of the work) is obviously one that the Authors Guild leaned heavily on, but the court is not convinced that it weighs against Google here either, noting that because the use is transformative, copying the entire work is necessary. The argument here is that the real intent of factor three is to see if the defendant copied more than is necessary for the transformative use, and that's not true with Google books:
As with HathiTrust, not only is the copying of the totality of the original reasonably appropriate to Google’s transformative purpose, it is literally necessary to achieve that purpose. If Google copied less than the totality of the originals, its search function could not advise searchers reliably whether their searched term appears in a book (or how many times).
On the question of snippets, the court again finds for Google noting that it's only displaying a small portion of the work -- again, no more than necessary. The court notes that if snippets were done differently, it could impact the fair use analysis, but that Google does a good job of not revealing too much.
Without doubt, enabling searchers to see portions of the copied texts could have determinative effect on the fair use analysis. The larger the quantity of the copyrighted text the searcher can see and the more control the searcher can exercise over what part of the text she sees, the greater the likelihood that those revelations could serve her as an effective, free substitute for the purchase of the plaintiff’s book. We nonetheless conclude that, at least as presently structured by Google, the snippet view does not reveal matter that offers the marketplace a significantly competing substitute for the copyrighted work.

Google has constructed the snippet feature in a manner that substantially protects against its serving as an effectively competing substitute for Plaintiffs’ books. In the Background section of this opinion, we describe a variety of limitations Google imposes on the snippet function. These include the small size of the snippets (normally one eighth of a page), the blacklisting of one snippet per page and of one page in every ten, the fact that no more than three snippets are shown—and no more than one per page—for each term searched, and the fact that the same snippets are shown for a searched term no matter how many times, or from how many different computers, the term is searched. In addition, Google does not provide snippet view for types of books, such as dictionaries and cookbooks, for which viewing a small segment is likely to satisfy the searcher’s need. The result of these restrictions is, so far as the record demonstrates, that a searcher cannot succeed, even after long extended effort to multiply what can be revealed, in revealing through a snippet search what could usefully serve as a competing substitute for the original.
Finally, the all-important fourth factor (the impact on the market). Again, the court finds in favor of Google, noting how unlikely it is that Google's book project is a substitute for actually getting a book:
Especially in view of the fact that the normal purchase price of a book is relatively low in relation to the cost of manpower needed to secure an arbitrary assortment of randomly scattered snippets, we conclude that the snippet function does not give searchers access to effectively competing substitutes. Snippet view, at best and after a large commitment of manpower, produces discontinuous, tiny fragments, amounting in the aggregate to no more than 16% of a book. This does not threaten the rights holders with any significant harm to the value of their copyrights or diminish their harvest of copyright revenue.
Yes, the court notes, it's possible that it might lead to some lost sales, but that's not enough to find against fair use -- especially since in those cases, it probably means that the amount of information sought was not protectable by copyright in the first place:
the type of loss of sale envisioned above will generally occur in relation to interests that are not protected by the copyright. A snippet’s capacity to satisfy a searcher’s need for access to a copyrighted book will at times be because the snippet conveys a historical fact that the searcher needs to ascertain. For example, a student writing a paper on Franklin D. Roosevelt might need to learn the year Roosevelt was stricken with polio. By entering “Roosevelt polio” in a Google Books search, the student would be taken to (among numerous sites) a snippet from page 31 of Richard Thayer Goldberg’s The Making of Franklin D. Roosevelt (1981), telling that the polio attack occurred in 1921. This would satisfy the searcher’s need for the book, eliminating any need to purchase it or acquire it from a library. But what the searcher derived from the snippet was a historical fact. Author Goldberg’s copyright does not extend to the facts communicated by his book. It protects only the author’s manner of expression.
I'd also argue that if we're talking about the theoretical rare cases where it leads to a lost sale, it should be noted that it's probably just as likely that Google Books leads to more sales as people find snippets of books that make them want to buy the full book (I've personally bought a few books because of snippets found through Google's book search.) But the court doesn't go there.

The court then takes on the question of whether or not Google has deprived the Authors Guild of a derivative right to create or license their own search and snippets features. The court dismisses this argument with ease, reminding the Authors Guild of the important fact that fair use is not infringement, and nothing in copyright includes a special right to limit the ability to search or create snippets:
There is no merit to this argument. As explained above, Google does not infringe Plaintiffs’ copyright in their works by making digital copies of them, where the copies are used to enable the public to get information about the works, such as whether, and how often they use specified words or terms (together with peripheral snippets of text, sufficient to show the context in which the word is used but too small to provide a meaningful substitute for the work’s copyrighted expression). The copyright resulting from the Plaintiffs’ authorship of their works does not include an exclusive right to furnish the kind of information about the works that Google’s programs provide to the public. For substantially the same reasons, the copyright that protects Plaintiffs’ works does not include an exclusive derivative right to supply such information through query of a digitized copy.
Finally, the court laughs off the argument that an Aaron Swartz like hacker might free all of the files in Google's database:
While Plaintiffs’ claim is theoretically sound, it is not supported by the evidence....

Google has documented that Google Books’ digital scans are stored on computers walled off from public Internet access and protected by the same impressive security measures used by Google to guard its own confidential information. As Google notes, Plaintiffs’ own security expert praised these security systems, remarking that “Google is fortunate to have ample resources and top-notch technical talents” that enable it to protect its data. JA 1558, 1570. Nor have Plaintiffs identified any thefts from Google Books (or from the Google Library Project). Plaintiffs seek to rebut this record by quoting from Google’s July 2012 SEC filing, in which the company made legally required disclosure of its potential market risks.26 Google’s prudent acknowledgment that “security breaches could expose [it] to a risk of loss . . . due to the actions of outside parties, employee error, malfeasance, or otherwise,” however, falls far short of rebutting Google’s demonstration of the effective measures it takes to guard against piratical hacking. Google has made a sufficient showing of protection of its digitized copies of Plaintiffs’ works to carry its burden on this aspect of its claim of fair use and thus to shift to Plaintiffs the burden of rebutting Google’s showing. Plaintiffs’ effort to do so falls far short.
Similarly, the court is unimpressed by the Authors Guild's claim that even if Google's own security is good, the fact that it shares scans with libraries who donate books to be scanned, opens up a new line of attack.
Although Plaintiffs describe the arrangement between Google and the libraries in more nefarious terms, those arrangements are essentially that each participant library has contracted with Google that Google will create for it a digital copy of each book the library submits to Google, so as to permit the library to use its digital copy in a non-infringing fair use manner. The libraries propose to use their digital copies to enable the very kinds of searches that we here hold to be fair uses in connection with Google’s offer of such searches to the Internet public, and which we held in HathiTrust to be fair uses when offered by HathiTrust to its users. The contract between Google and each of the participating libraries commits the library to use its digital copy only in a manner consistent with the copyright law, and to take precautions to prevent dissemination of their digital copies to the public at large.

In these circumstances, Google’s creation for each library of a digital copy of that library’s already owned book in order to permit that library to make fair use through provision of digital searches is not an infringement. If the library had created its own digital copy to enable its provision of fair use digital searches, the making of the digital copy would not have been infringement. Nor does it become an infringement because, instead of making its own digital copy, the library contracted with Google that Google would use its expertise and resources to make the digital conversion for the library’s benefit.
As the court points out, sure it's possible that a library might use such files in an infringing matter, but if that happens, then the copyright holders can go after that library. They can't go after Google for the theoretical possibility that someone else might infringe a copyright at some future date.

And, in case you were wondering, there was no dissent at all. This was a unanimous decision by all three judges on the panel, giving yet another complete victory to Google saying that its book scanning project is fair use -- and, as an appeals court ruling, is useful in creating precedent in the all important 2nd Circuit (with some pretty damn good quotes for future cases). This is a big and clear win for fair use. It's likely that the Authors Guild will try to appeal to the Supreme Court, but without a clear circuit split, it's unclear if the Supreme Court would bother to take up the case.
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  1. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 8:14am

    Of course, TPP/TTIP will render this all moot;

    No fair use, no drm hacking, lifetime + infinity.

    And once TPP passes, the US can't unilaterally fix it.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 8:39am

    'Bout Time

    "They can't go after Google for the theoretical possibility that someone else might infringe a copyright at some future date."

    "...a unanimous decision by all three judges on the panel, giving yet another complete victory to Google saying that its book scanning project is fair use..."

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    TL_Deer, 16 Oct 2015 @ 8:43am

    TLDR!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 8:43am

    Stay Tuned...

    1 good ruling is usually overshadowed by 3 terrible ones!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 8:44am

    Should copyright expire with the author?

    “To promote the Progress of Science . . . by securing for limited Times to Authors . . . the exclusive Right to their respective Writings.” U.S. Const., Art. I, § 8, cl. 8)

    Sounds pretty clear. It says nothing about heirs and estates.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 8:56am

    Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    Came down on wrong side of the hair in every instance. Courts and lawyers are unreliable protectors of the public's interest, especially don't look ahead to obvious abuse.

    Copyright is precisely to protect all commercial exploitation of works, not to facilitate use by other commercial entities. -- The key flaw of decision is that the court repeatedly allows a multiplicity of new copies, which is precisely what the very term copyright and prior case law prohibits.

    Masnick is happy because Google gets another "legal" way to grift. But, copyright minimalists: this is NO degree permits piracy, or sharing, or Kim Dotcom of Megaupload to monetize whole works. You should read it for what it prohibits, rather than your notion of what allows.


    Attempt #11. Seems to be okaying each comment again, doesn't want this stepped on.

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    Gwiz (profile), 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:26am

    Re:

    Courts and lawyers are unreliable protectors of the public's interest...

    That's pretty funny considering this case revolves around Fair Use. Does your definition of "public" include anyone other than copyright holders?



    Copyright is precisely to protect all commercial exploitation of works...

    Umm, no. To quote the actual ruling we are talking about:
    The ultimate goal of copyright is to expand public knowledge and understanding...
    Since the Fair Use doctrine has been around almost as long as copyright here in the US and it does allow commercial use, copyright has never been "to protect all commercial exploitation of works".

    You really need to stop pulling up these arbitrary rules out of your ass.

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    cpt kangarooski, 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:27am

    Re: Should copyright expire with the author?

    No, it's saying that copyrights should initially be granted to authors, not that it cannot be passed to others later, whether as an assignment, or through inheritance, etc.

    Also, the term length should be however long best benefits the public; it is unlikely that it will happen to coincide with the death lf the author.

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    cpt kangarooski, 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:36am

    Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    Copyright is precisely to protect all commercial exploitation of works, not to facilitate use by other commercial entities.

    No, that's never been true. For example, used bookstores are commercial entities that, without authorization or even payment to the author, commercially exploit works by reselling copies. And of course the Supreme Court has weighed in on this back in Campbell v. Acuff-Rose Music, holding that not only could fair uses be commercial in nature, but that there was not even a presumption against fair use merely because a use was commercial; it's just a factor to be considered. Given your past posts, I'd say you're an expert on things that have never been true.

    But, copyright minimalists: this is NO degree permits piracy, or sharing, or Kim Dotcom of Megaupload to monetize whole works

    What the hell is a copyright minimalist? There are copyright abolitionists, who simply want copyright to be discarded. There are copyright reformers, such as myself, who want to reform copyright so as to best serve the public, but this is in no way the same as minimizing copyright; depending on what is best for the public it might even involve strengthening copyright in ways. I can't think of anyone who's ever advocated reducing copyright to the minimum yet not abolishing it. Sounds like you're making crap up again.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:37am

    Re: Re:

    Trying to convince that troll that fair use exists is like trying to convincing Smaug to give up a bit of treasure.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:39am

    I'm torn on this one. On one hand, I support more permissive and accessible media. But there doesn't seem to be much in the way of precedent or structure to base the ruling. The idea that snippets are "just enough" not to be infringing is completely arbitrary. I couldn't see this case progressing the way it did without a high profile defendant like Google.

    I hope future rulings will be more specific.

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    PRMan, 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:46am

    Re: Re: Should copyright expire with the author?

    Is the person it is passed to an "Author"? If not, then yes, it does say that.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 9:56am

    Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    I thought they did a great job protecting my interests as being part of the public. I used the google search feature for books in writing my essays in college. It was an excellent way for me to find quotes from books that I had read.

    I am curious though, you say they are wrong. What expertise do you have in copyright law that would trump lawyers and judges? Also, what does this have to do with piracy. I am a copyright minimalist but piracy didn't even come to mind in this case.

    Also, I reported you again. You still argue like an asshole.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 10:00am

    Re: Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    I would say I am a minimalist. I think the people should be able to make money from their work with basic protections in mind but not to the length that it will just disappear and be forgotten instead of going in the public domain.

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    Gwiz (profile), 16 Oct 2015 @ 10:02am

    Re: Re:

    What the hell is a copyright minimalist?

    I consider myself to be a copyright minimalist based on the definitions laid out by longtime Techdirt commenter Karl

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    DB (profile), 16 Oct 2015 @ 10:33am

    I'm impressed by this ruling, especially how it doesn't just 're-can the worms'. It directly addresses the underlying issues rather than viewing only this specific instance. For instance, it notes the analysis isn't specific to fictional or fact-centric works, avoiding a repeat of the case with slightly different books.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 10:58am

    Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    You have no idea what you're talking about.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 11:13am

    Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    Old man Blue
    needs to borrow a public domain clue.
    But he can't, cause he's a hack
    with a Google monkey on his back.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 11:35am

    Re: Re:

    [T]he Fair Use doctrine has been around almost as long as copyright here in the US
    While the history may often be mis-remembered, it's import to note that well before Justice Story's 1841 decision in Folsom v Marsh expanded copyright's monopoly on derivative works, there was a doctrine of “Fair Abridgment”, inherited from English law.

    See, among other scholarly works, Oren Bracha's “Commentary on Folsom v Marsh”, which accompanies a copy of the case. And, from the decision itself, in Justice Story's own words:
    So, it has been decided that a fair and bona fide abridgment of an original work, is not a piracy of the copyright of the author.
    (Footnote citing cases omitted.)

    That was settled law in 1841!

    L. Ray Patterson's criticism in “Folsom v. Marsh and Its Legacy” is also noteworthy.

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    tqk (profile), 16 Oct 2015 @ 11:41am

    Re:

    The idea that snippets are "just enough" not to be infringing is completely arbitrary.

    The judgement comes down pretty hard on the side of copyright's ultimate purpose to be encouraging authors to write in order to enrich the public, and only secondarily to encourage authors to write by enriching them. Hence, the court will want to stretch the former as far as defensibly possible. Copyright is an artificial monopoly which we grudgingly allow as the public ultimately benefits from it. That's not arbitrary. That's a clear statement of where the court's priorities lie, on the side of the public.

    I also think this's an interesting situation with regards to the "on a computer" thing in patent law. Here, it makes a great deal of sense that digitizing books enabling the power of computers to be leveraged on the data is very transformative. Enabling deep data searching and analysis does something that is very different from anything that's come before.
    I couldn't see this case progressing the way it did without a high profile defendant like Google.

    Don't get me started on how fouled up the legal system is these days. Thank $DEITY that Google exists, and is as powerful as it is, and that their interests coincide with the public's interest enough for them to want to pursue this. For many reasons, I don't use Google and question many of their practices, but in situations like this, I'm glad they're on our side if even as a "frienemy."

    The authors' guild has been insane in its pursuit of this bizarre interpretation of theirs.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 11:57am

    This is an unmitigated disaster, that will ultimately destroy a whole business model.

    Why would schoolchildren buy plagiarized essays when they can just search Google and do their own research?

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    cpt kangarooski, 16 Oct 2015 @ 4:19pm

    Re: Re: Re:

    Well, that's interesting.

    On that scale I would lie somewhere between a minimalist and a materialist. But I doubt that the earlier poster was referring to this. Thanks for the link!

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 5:31pm

    Re: Re:

    There once was an out_of_the_blue
    Who hated the process of due
    Each book that he'd paid
    Was DMCAed
    And shoved up his ass with a screw

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Oct 2015 @ 5:33pm

    Re: Of course, TPP/TTIP will render this all moot;

    The legal underpinning of Fair Use is the Constitution, as interpreted by the Supreme Court, so treaty-enabling legislation that kills Fair Use totally is subject to legal challenge.

    I suspect legislative tweaks around he edges would be permitted though.

    While Fair Use is currently codified, part of statutory law, it was originally a whole cloth invention of the Court, created as Constitutionally necessary.

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    Bergman (profile), 17 Oct 2015 @ 5:15pm

    Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    Intellectual property has always been about legal grifting. The Constitution allows a limited time monopoly to content creators in order to encourage them to create for the public benefit, not because forbidding other storytellers from telling stories is some sort of natural law.

    In a very real sense, laws that extend copyright durations are legalized theft, from the people of the United States -- copyrights were always intended to expire, not last forever. They were always intended to be limited.

    The court came down on the 'side' of the spirit and letter of the law as it was written, by those who wrote it. That's only the wrong side if you make your living by grift committed against the public as a whole.

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    Bergman (profile), 17 Oct 2015 @ 5:20pm

    Re:

    You didn't even read the article or look at Google did you?

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    Anonymous Coward, 18 Oct 2015 @ 10:20pm

    Re: Re:

    You didn't even read his whole comment, did you.

    link to this | view in thread ]

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    Wendy Cockcroft, 20 Oct 2015 @ 2:42am

    Re: Re: Difficult to disagree, yet it's WRONG! Not transformative: makes nothing NEW, only index-ive and search-ive. But does set out firm limits.

    The fact that they're arguing from a property rights perspective is the problem. Since they won't give an inch, neither should we: copyright is NOT property!

    link to this | view in thread ]

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    David J Gill, 21 Oct 2015 @ 5:49am

    "SNIPPET VIEW" IS WORTHLESS

    "SNIPPET VIEW" IS WORTHLESS: Thanks for nothing,Google.

    The value of this decision would seem to be absolutely nothing. If you haven't experienced Google "Snippet View" you will find it hard to believe how badly this Google concept works.
    1. Usually when a Google search gives you a book snippet of the passage in question the snippet window (Which gives nothing more than a fragment of a page) typically fails to correctly align with the relevant info. (Meaning what you want is above or below the window so you can't see it.) The window cannot be realigned. Even if it is correctly aligned the window is so grudgingly small you get nothing of value. There is NO useful purpose for this project. It's a huge waste of time and effort.
    2. Even more maddening are books Google scans and gives in search results but makes no part of the content available.

    3. Another bit of Google Book idiocy: of the many periodicals available most come from multi issue bound volumes. When you find material of interest it is typically impossible to determine what specific issue the material is from. You can determine what 6 mo or 1 year period is included in the bound volume but there is no designation by month (for monthlies.)

    link to this | view in thread ]

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    tqk (profile), 24 Oct 2015 @ 8:20am

    Re: "SNIPPET VIEW" IS WORTHLESS

    Thanks for nothing,Google.

    So, don't use Google. I don't. Why bitch about something that's so easily avoidable?

    link to this | view in thread ]

  31. identicon
    Exceltal, 19 Apr 2016 @ 2:42am

    Google corrupts courts again and again

    Copyright Law 101: Thou shalt make no copies or reproductions of any intellectual property without the written permission of the author or copyright holder.

    Google corrupts courts again and again. And fortunately, we have concrete evidences Google corrupted a California Court, http://www.pat-rights.com/Tse%20v%20Google.html, and it will never able to provide its side of story.

    link to this | view in thread ]

  32. identicon
    Anonymous Coward, 20 Apr 2016 @ 1:57am

    Re: Google corrupts courts again and again

    Wipe Chris Dodd's cum off your face, you're not helping.

    link to this | view in thread ]


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