"According to the various websites, CE contracts with companies/law firms to act as "representatives" for trademark holders, and then goes searching for "anything they can remotely claim is infringing." Then, it sends a threatening letter, demanding compensation, even if there's no actual infringement. Apparently CE gets a cut of any money it squeezes out of companies, so it has plenty of incentive to send out threatening letters even when there's no infringement whatsoever"
Okay, the key there is that a bunch of websites (without mention on this site which sites) are claiming that that's how they operate.
Because if those websites are reputable then this would appear to be a fairly clear cut case of rackateering and the feds need to sic 'em up, lil buddy.
"Just like the distribution of shiny discs, touring costs money. So does designing and buying t-shirts to sell, so does all that other merch stuff that could be made available. There is RISK involved, similar to producing a CD. Remarkable,isn't it?"
No it isn't, because that's not an accurate comparison. Touring DOES cost money, as do designing tshirts, etc., and their IS risk involved, but none of those physical things or experiences are easily copiable, nor are they scarce, nore are they falisfied scarcities used to prop up an industry.
The key part of what you said is that there is risk in producing a CD, which is true. However, there is nearly zero risk in reproducing music. What people tend to miss here is that the artist is selling music, but the labels never have. They sell the disc. Without the disc, the sale becomes more difficult, and with the advent of larger hard drives and MP3 Players we don't NEED the disc anymore. To a large extent, we don't NEED the record labels anymore either. They used to be the distribution network for the band, but now that network is US.
So they're trying to falsely create our NEED for them. And they're failing.
Like playing live, selling additionals to the music, selling other event type appearences, selling their music to others to implement it in OTHER media (movies, games, TV, etc.).
"If an idea is really good (new and unobvious) then it deserves a patent and a patent holder deserves compensation
it's a good public policy which promotes the progress"
Ok, so what's your definition of progress? Because supposing this idea really HAD been good, it seems like this is inhibiting the application of that idea, which to me is inhibiting progress, no? I'm not seeing in this instance an example of the company STEALING the idea, it looks like two folks came up with it simultaneously, but one patented it first. If this was a new and unobvious idea, how would this be promoting progress?
"Umm, btw facsist=far right fear-monger. I think you may have meant to use a different word"
That is commonly true, but one of the less used aspects of fascism is government and business under the same control. In fascist Germany, it was government taking over business. In America, it's business taking over government.
"The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, because it is the merger of state and corporate power" - Benito Musolini
"Perhaps like many inventors, he isn't an execution guy, just an idea man. He works out the theory and the how to, and sells those ideas on to companies who are willing to develop them and take the financial risk"
Is that what he did here? Or did he come up w/the idea, sit on it, wait until someone implemented it independently in a way that he thought he could file a lawsuit on, and then hire a lawyer?
I'm not an idea man. I'm an eating bacon man. You see, I love bacon. It's great, and I do a great job of eating it. I'm just not a go out and work to make money to buy the bacon man. So that bacon you have in your freezer, I'm gonna go ahead and need to eat that...because I'm an eating bacon man.
I was thinking the EXACT same thing. Either that or that they were going to use this as an excuse to further sieze control over the ISP (if they aren't already in total/complete control).
Nothing says "you should let us nationalize this company" like "Hey, we're just doing it to protect your freedom". in fact...that sounds kinda familiar.
Like I said, wait until it comes right up to your mouth.
But if this guy had this same idea already, why wasn't Apple using HIS product to promote the iPhone and making him rich....or didn't he ever do the work to IMPLIMENT his idea?
No no, I saw this one over the weekend on Animal Planet. You wait on the seabed floor and wait until some tasty morsel comes right up to your mouth and then you chomp on it without having to do any actual...you know...work.
What did this patent holder do to actually implement his idea? If nothing, then what right does he have to it?
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Okay, the key there is that a bunch of websites (without mention on this site which sites) are claiming that that's how they operate.
Because if those websites are reputable then this would appear to be a fairly clear cut case of rackateering and the feds need to sic 'em up, lil buddy.
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Should have read "but they are scarce"
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No it isn't, because that's not an accurate comparison. Touring DOES cost money, as do designing tshirts, etc., and their IS risk involved, but none of those physical things or experiences are easily copiable, nor are they scarce, nore are they falisfied scarcities used to prop up an industry.
The key part of what you said is that there is risk in producing a CD, which is true. However, there is nearly zero risk in reproducing music. What people tend to miss here is that the artist is selling music, but the labels never have. They sell the disc. Without the disc, the sale becomes more difficult, and with the advent of larger hard drives and MP3 Players we don't NEED the disc anymore. To a large extent, we don't NEED the record labels anymore either. They used to be the distribution network for the band, but now that network is US.
So they're trying to falsely create our NEED for them. And they're failing.
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it's a good public policy which promotes the progress"
Ok, so what's your definition of progress? Because supposing this idea really HAD been good, it seems like this is inhibiting the application of that idea, which to me is inhibiting progress, no? I'm not seeing in this instance an example of the company STEALING the idea, it looks like two folks came up with it simultaneously, but one patented it first. If this was a new and unobvious idea, how would this be promoting progress?
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That is commonly true, but one of the less used aspects of fascism is government and business under the same control. In fascist Germany, it was government taking over business. In America, it's business taking over government.
"The first stage of fascism should more appropriately be called corporatism, because it is the merger of state and corporate power" - Benito Musolini
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Is that what he did here? Or did he come up w/the idea, sit on it, wait until someone implemented it independently in a way that he thought he could file a lawsuit on, and then hire a lawyer?
I'm not an idea man. I'm an eating bacon man. You see, I love bacon. It's great, and I do a great job of eating it. I'm just not a go out and work to make money to buy the bacon man. So that bacon you have in your freezer, I'm gonna go ahead and need to eat that...because I'm an eating bacon man.
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Nothing says "you should let us nationalize this company" like "Hey, we're just doing it to protect your freedom". in fact...that sounds kinda familiar.
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But if this guy had this same idea already, why wasn't Apple using HIS product to promote the iPhone and making him rich....or didn't he ever do the work to IMPLIMENT his idea?
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Animal Planet?
What did this patent holder do to actually implement his idea? If nothing, then what right does he have to it?
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