this article is like all his others: sensationalist bullshit.
"OMFG teh internets are going to kill us all!!1!"
with what? botnets? viruses? spam? *yawn* that's all old news. i'm surprised he didn't blame kevin mitnick for everything that is wrong with the world.
he only made one good point: "For all those efforts, though, the real limits to computer security may lie in human nature."
at least he got one thing right: there is no patch for human stupidity.
and the technical details are sorely lacking. news flash: IPv6 is not a new internet, it's an update of the old v4 protocol to accommodate the proliferation of internet connected devices. of the problems that face any project, ones of scale due to your runaway success are the nicest ones to have.
the only reason people want to scrap the internet and start over is because it's too hard to censor and police. there is a reason for that: it was designed that way.
the internet is not safe for decent people. it never has been and it never will be. to paraphrase the joker "decent people shouldn't use the internet, they would be happier something else".
instead of trying to shoehorn the internet into cable television with a buy button, why not build the techno-peasants a network with padded walls and training wheels and rubber bumpers and government monitors and corporate handlers?
that way we can stop trying to make the internet into something it's not capable of being.
if you want a trustable network, use a managed service that is walled off from outsiders, like AOL used to be, or xbox live or MMO's are today. you know, the locked down applications that are being railed against in "the future of the internet and how to stop it" http://futureoftheinternet.org/download http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7UlYTFKFqY
...I can't wait until Dane Cook and Carlos Mencia get sued out of existence.
yeah, both of them have been accused of stealing jokes, but what's important to note, is that joe rogan has taken his dispute with menstealia to the public, rather than the court system.
there was some fear that this would significantly limit media access (especially since all media requests were supposedly being screened to make sure that the reporters "had no connection to the movement" -- whatever that means).
"the movement" is probably a reference to the the pirate movement in sweden. the movement is made up of groups like the pirate party, the piratbyran, and kopimi.
Re: Sickipedia: gaming Wikipedia for fun or for profit
It works fine while we have diligent editors willing to correct and update. What happens when those editors get sick, lost interest or shuffle off this mortal coil? When there is no watchdog, who decides which articles are "locked" and which remain open for free editing?
what happens when the pranksters are more committed than the "watchdogs"?
have you ever read the discussions behind an article that is being contested on it's neutrality? it all comes down to who is the most committed to seeing their writing survive.
the editors of the "authoritative" publications can be biased due to political or financial reasons, and it becomes a contest of wills between the writer and the editor. usually the editor wins, but we almost never see that discussion.
wikipedia is a great tool, but it's just one tool. you use wikipedia the way you use any other encyclopedia, at the beginning of the process to get a bird's eye view of the subject matter.
if you only use one tool in your research, you are asking for trouble. it's the same with news outlets, relying on just one paper or show leaves you vulnerable to inaccuracy and propaganda.
I say we grab a ship full of CD's and DVD's and throw them into the harbor. Why not have another Boston Tea Party to show our displeasure. If it's good enough for our founding fathers, it's good enough for us!
are you kidding? miss 'american idol' to take a stand for something?
why not flood the market with counterfeit spam lists?
a counterfeit list is a list of valid email addresses that accept email but then delete it.
mailinator.com is a good example. mailinator accepts all email, holds it for a few days, and then deletes it. you can use any username you want, and the username becomes the key to retrieve any messages that are stored, like so: techdirtfan@mailinator.com
if you go to mailinator.com and enter "techdirtfan"
people hire spammers to do campaigns and spammers rent, buy, or trade lists to run these campaigns. people pay for the lists and services because they promise results.
if those lists are contaminated with counterfeit addresses, it costs more to deliver the same results.
put the counterfeit addresses online, then the harvesters and spiders will pick up the counterfeit addresses and dilute the lists of "real" addresses.
also, sell cheap lists of the counterfeit addresses so the street price of a spam list drops below a manageable level.
past the spam problem is the "lead aggregation" problem, where people get suckered into filling out forms in exchange for something.
why not set up a collection of bots to fill out these forms? if they are filled junk information it becomes harder to convert those leads into sales.
the point you KEEP MISSING is that it should be the choice of the musician. You keep touting this as why musicians should stop whining about their music being swapped for free (aka stolen - and yes - stolen just as ideas and information can be stolen).
you can choose to jump off a bridge, to eat rat poison, or to share heroin needles, that doesn't make it a good idea. some choices are better than others.
embracing the fact that you can't stop piracy is a good choice. figuring out how to make money from that fact is an even better choice.
or you can choose to keep fighting piracy. you can choose to waste your money on lawyers, and p2p spies, and digital rights management. you might as well take that money and throw it out the window for all the good it will do you.
Re: Dispensing With Some Myths About The Poor Poor Songwriters Decimated By Piracy
I get your point that the music industry needs to embrace change and start doing things differently but that doesn't make stealing music the right thing to do simply becuase the industry doesnt deliver things the way you want them.
stealing is wrong and there are plenty of artists impacted.
this isn't about right or wrong. it's about the fact that you can't stop what's happening. it's happening now and it will continue to happen to a greater and greater extent.
if you think downloading is wrong, then don't do it. if you think you can stop it, then make your move. unless you are willing to put a bullet between the eyes of every downloader on the planet, i guarantee you that it won't work.
stop wasting your time and, in the case with the RIAA, stop wasting money on tactics that don't work.
suing people won't work, blocking P2P traffic won't work, digital rights management won't work, and filling up blog comments about how downloading is wrong won't work either.
people don't buy CD's in the quantities that they used to, and the quantities that are being sold at will continue to diminish until the CD is specialty relic for enthusiasts, just like vinyl.
this tax is almost inevitable at this point so I will take full advantage of it. Of course at some point our tax on broadband will exceed the base price of the broadband, but that won't stop our illustrious leaders in government from passing it anyway.
i don't want a "tax" but i would gladly pay for a "pass".
i call it "the piracy pass". copyright holders keep employing media sentry and other outfits to snoop public trackers (which is how the record labels and studios figure out whom to sue) and send cease and desists to the ISP just like always. then the ISP can check to see if my pass is paid up and if so, they refer the copyright holder to the pass authority (run just like ASCAP and the like) for royalties. the artists or labels or whomever collect royalties and hand them out just like they do now.
in review not much changes:
1) i keep downloading using bit torrent
2) they keep snooping
3) they keep complaining to the ISP's
4) the performance rights groups keep deciding who gets the money
the only things that do change:
1) i buy the pass from the performance rights groups
2) i register my pass with my ISP
3) the labels and studios quit suing consumers and start suing the performance rights groups
it's simple, effective, everyone wins. obviously it will never happen.
surely if violent games and movies have such an effect on humans, adult movies should have a similar impact.
pron was a scare in the 80's. the war on pornography was after the war on communism, but before the war on drugs. not to worry, porn has been eliminated now (just like drugs and communism) and we need to focus on violent video games.
>>I find it disturbing that a foriegn national was given that level of access to what appears to be a crucial resource.
Hmmm, no "American" would do such a thing would they.
Typical comment from the typical US citizen.
IF the perpetrator is a foreign national on a work visa, and IF he lost his job, chances are he's in danger of getting shipped back to wherever he's from.
that means he has [potentially] more to lose than a local national, and has the potential to be miles away when the logic bomb goes off.
i didn't see much (if any) nationalism in the original statement. i think a lot of americans would be tempted to seek revenge on a employer if they had the option of leaving the country.
I find it interesting that copyright might push people to widespread adoption of darknets, because they actually *are* a somewhat dangerous tool. *Actual* bad stuff (like kiddie porn) is passed around on darknets already. This sort of thing might make it legitimately difficult for cops to crack down on real bad people.
"actual bad stuff" happens with all sorts of everyday tools. people get stabbed with scredrivers, run over by cars, and hit with baseball bats. email systems are used to deliver scams, malicious web pages are loaded with malware, and pagers and mobile phones are used as triggers for explosives. that doesn't make the tools bad, only the people who use them for bad things.
darkents and many other tools are simply a response to the need to communicate and move data while being actively prevented by any of a number of sources: government snoops, nosy employers, corporate spies, cheapskate ISP's, draconian IT departments, authoritarian school administrators... the list goes on and on.
as with all tools, most uses are innocent, some are even noble, and only a few uses are bad. in all cases we should not blame the tools for the bad stuff, but the bad people that use the tools in the pursuit of their bad business.
In any case, if the original artists don't care for the way their work is cut and reused, they have every right to complain. I don't have much sympathy - the ability to operate a recorder doesn't qualify as creativity in my opinion.
to each his own i suppose. there are a ton of examples where audio clips when re-arranged completely change the character of a song or make a unique statement that is outside what the original creator intended.
The fact is, the tools are out there and being used. It's true, the industry could 'cry to mom' to make the 'bad men' go away.
no they can't. once something it out on the net you can't get it back. it's impossible.
you can't copy-protect anything effectively, and you can't police the internet at all. there is no way to stop unauthorized copying.
you can stamp out every website there is and new ones will pop up. if you take yourself too seriously in the process, people will replicate your content just to upset you.
if your stuff is worth reading, hearing, or viewing, it will be shared without your permission. that's an undeniable certainty.
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fuck john markoff
"OMFG teh internets are going to kill us all!!1!"
with what? botnets? viruses? spam? *yawn* that's all old news. i'm surprised he didn't blame kevin mitnick for everything that is wrong with the world.
he only made one good point: "For all those efforts, though, the real limits to computer security may lie in human nature."
at least he got one thing right: there is no patch for human stupidity.
and the technical details are sorely lacking. news flash: IPv6 is not a new internet, it's an update of the old v4 protocol to accommodate the proliferation of internet connected devices. of the problems that face any project, ones of scale due to your runaway success are the nicest ones to have.
the only reason people want to scrap the internet and start over is because it's too hard to censor and police. there is a reason for that: it was designed that way.
the internet is not safe for decent people. it never has been and it never will be. to paraphrase the joker "decent people shouldn't use the internet, they would be happier something else".
instead of trying to shoehorn the internet into cable television with a buy button, why not build the techno-peasants a network with padded walls and training wheels and rubber bumpers and government monitors and corporate handlers?
that way we can stop trying to make the internet into something it's not capable of being.
if you want a trustable network, use a managed service that is walled off from outsiders, like AOL used to be, or xbox live or MMO's are today. you know, the locked down applications that are being railed against in "the future of the internet and how to stop it"
http://futureoftheinternet.org/download
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7UlYTFKFqY
On the post: Pink Panther Studio, Producers And Star Sued For Joke Theft
Re: Personally...
yeah, both of them have been accused of stealing jokes, but what's important to note, is that joe rogan has taken his dispute with menstealia to the public, rather than the court system.
On the post: Pirate Bay Trial In Sweden To Be Broadcast Online
"the movement"
"the movement" is probably a reference to the the pirate movement in sweden. the movement is made up of groups like the pirate party, the piratbyran, and kopimi.
there is a lot of discussion of the movement in part 2 of "steal this film":
http://www.stealthisfilm.com/Part2
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Re: Sickipedia: gaming Wikipedia for fun or for profit
what happens when the pranksters are more committed than the "watchdogs"?
have you ever read the discussions behind an article that is being contested on it's neutrality? it all comes down to who is the most committed to seeing their writing survive.
the editors of the "authoritative" publications can be biased due to political or financial reasons, and it becomes a contest of wills between the writer and the editor. usually the editor wins, but we almost never see that discussion.
wikipedia is a great tool, but it's just one tool. you use wikipedia the way you use any other encyclopedia, at the beginning of the process to get a bird's eye view of the subject matter.
if you only use one tool in your research, you are asking for trouble. it's the same with news outlets, relying on just one paper or show leaves you vulnerable to inaccuracy and propaganda.
On the post: If You're Thinking Of Paying People To Talk Nice About Your Company Online, It Probably Won't End Well
Re:
go back to canada hippie. this is america, we don't need your socialist propaganda here.
On the post: ACTA Proposal Would Criminalize Substantial Non-Commercial Infringement
Re: Time for a Tea Party...
are you kidding? miss 'american idol' to take a stand for something?
On the post: ACTA Proposal Would Criminalize Substantial Non-Commercial Infringement
Re:
hell yes. why do you think all those copyright goons are being appointed to positions in the DOJ?
On the post: Can The Solution To Spam Be Hoax Spam?
spam is a business
why not flood the market with counterfeit spam lists?
a counterfeit list is a list of valid email addresses that accept email but then delete it.
mailinator.com is a good example. mailinator accepts all email, holds it for a few days, and then deletes it. you can use any username you want, and the username becomes the key to retrieve any messages that are stored, like so:
techdirtfan@mailinator.com
if you go to mailinator.com and enter "techdirtfan"
people hire spammers to do campaigns and spammers rent, buy, or trade lists to run these campaigns. people pay for the lists and services because they promise results.
if those lists are contaminated with counterfeit addresses, it costs more to deliver the same results.
put the counterfeit addresses online, then the harvesters and spiders will pick up the counterfeit addresses and dilute the lists of "real" addresses.
also, sell cheap lists of the counterfeit addresses so the street price of a spam list drops below a manageable level.
past the spam problem is the "lead aggregation" problem, where people get suckered into filling out forms in exchange for something.
why not set up a collection of bots to fill out these forms? if they are filled junk information it becomes harder to convert those leads into sales.
On the post: Corey Smith Clarification: Not $4.2 Million; Just $4 Million
Re: What this PROVES?
you can choose to jump off a bridge, to eat rat poison, or to share heroin needles, that doesn't make it a good idea. some choices are better than others.
embracing the fact that you can't stop piracy is a good choice. figuring out how to make money from that fact is an even better choice.
or you can choose to keep fighting piracy. you can choose to waste your money on lawyers, and p2p spies, and digital rights management. you might as well take that money and throw it out the window for all the good it will do you.
you will lose because piracy can't be stopped.
On the post: Dispensing With Some Myths About The Poor Poor Songwriters Decimated By Piracy
Re: Re: I was in a band...
On the post: Dispensing With Some Myths About The Poor Poor Songwriters Decimated By Piracy
Re: Dispensing With Some Myths About The Poor Poor Songwriters Decimated By Piracy
stealing is wrong and there are plenty of artists impacted.
this isn't about right or wrong. it's about the fact that you can't stop what's happening. it's happening now and it will continue to happen to a greater and greater extent.
if you think downloading is wrong, then don't do it. if you think you can stop it, then make your move. unless you are willing to put a bullet between the eyes of every downloader on the planet, i guarantee you that it won't work.
stop wasting your time and, in the case with the RIAA, stop wasting money on tactics that don't work.
suing people won't work, blocking P2P traffic won't work, digital rights management won't work, and filling up blog comments about how downloading is wrong won't work either.
people don't buy CD's in the quantities that they used to, and the quantities that are being sold at will continue to diminish until the CD is specialty relic for enthusiasts, just like vinyl.
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Re: Re:
there's a difference?
On the post: Another Reason For Record Labels' Interest In A Music Tax: To Screw Apple
Re: Re: Re: I hope they pass the "music tax"...
i don't want a "tax" but i would gladly pay for a "pass".
i call it "the piracy pass". copyright holders keep employing media sentry and other outfits to snoop public trackers (which is how the record labels and studios figure out whom to sue) and send cease and desists to the ISP just like always. then the ISP can check to see if my pass is paid up and if so, they refer the copyright holder to the pass authority (run just like ASCAP and the like) for royalties. the artists or labels or whomever collect royalties and hand them out just like they do now.
in review not much changes:
1) i keep downloading using bit torrent
2) they keep snooping
3) they keep complaining to the ISP's
4) the performance rights groups keep deciding who gets the money
the only things that do change:
1) i buy the pass from the performance rights groups
2) i register my pass with my ISP
3) the labels and studios quit suing consumers and start suing the performance rights groups
it's simple, effective, everyone wins. obviously it will never happen.
On the post: Another Reason For Record Labels' Interest In A Music Tax: To Screw Apple
Re:
you mean the 60 year olds that think computers and the internet are magic?
yeah, they'll just keep paying like good consumers.
On the post: RIAA's New Litigation Boss Is Former Exec Caught 'Misstating Facts' In Court
Re:
they'll die slowly and painfully on their own.
On the post: It's Not Technology That's Causing A Decline In Critical Thinking...
Re: just thought of this
pron was a scare in the 80's. the war on pornography was after the war on communism, but before the war on drugs. not to worry, porn has been eliminated now (just like drugs and communism) and we need to focus on violent video games.
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Re: Re: Foriegn National
Hmmm, no "American" would do such a thing would they.
Typical comment from the typical US citizen.
IF the perpetrator is a foreign national on a work visa, and IF he lost his job, chances are he's in danger of getting shipped back to wherever he's from.
that means he has [potentially] more to lose than a local national, and has the potential to be miles away when the logic bomb goes off.
i didn't see much (if any) nationalism in the original statement. i think a lot of americans would be tempted to seek revenge on a employer if they had the option of leaving the country.
On the post: Is Technology On The Verge Of Killing Copyright Dead?
Re: Darknets
"actual bad stuff" happens with all sorts of everyday tools. people get stabbed with scredrivers, run over by cars, and hit with baseball bats. email systems are used to deliver scams, malicious web pages are loaded with malware, and pagers and mobile phones are used as triggers for explosives. that doesn't make the tools bad, only the people who use them for bad things.
darkents and many other tools are simply a response to the need to communicate and move data while being actively prevented by any of a number of sources: government snoops, nosy employers, corporate spies, cheapskate ISP's, draconian IT departments, authoritarian school administrators... the list goes on and on.
as with all tools, most uses are innocent, some are even noble, and only a few uses are bad. in all cases we should not blame the tools for the bad stuff, but the bad people that use the tools in the pursuit of their bad business.
On the post: Yes, Artists Build On The Works Of Others... So Why Is It Sometimes Infringement?
Re: Sampling
to each his own i suppose. there are a ton of examples where audio clips when re-arranged completely change the character of a song or make a unique statement that is outside what the original creator intended.
http://sulis.webcity.com.au/~wax49993/mediacracy/07_Imagine_This.mp3
http://www.waxa udio.com.au/news/imagine_video
if you don't like hip hop or trance, then it's probably hard for you to see the value of sampling.
if you don't like hiphop or techno then samples probably aren't your thing.
On the post: Why Is It So Difficult To Opt-Out Of Copyright?
Re: Analogies
no they can't. once something it out on the net you can't get it back. it's impossible.
you can't copy-protect anything effectively, and you can't police the internet at all. there is no way to stop unauthorized copying.
you can stamp out every website there is and new ones will pop up. if you take yourself too seriously in the process, people will replicate your content just to upset you.
if your stuff is worth reading, hearing, or viewing, it will be shared without your permission. that's an undeniable certainty.
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